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[Yenkaz]

ilostmycookie wrote...

Would having a nvidia 460 let you play on max settings despite it being recommended for dx11? Or would I be closer to medium or w/e

Max or at the very least high on large resolutions.

[TheRazzman]

mad825 wrote...

TheRazzman wrote...

Actually, I just downloaded The Witcher on Steam and it was 14.5 GB. I know this may be off topic, but all facts should be known.
 

*cough*
Steam is not a reliable source for getting an idea on the size of a game, not only steam sometimes download extra files which is not necessary but sometimes the files are compressed.

Anyway, by examining the main file directory for The Witcher:EE displays 15.1GB (for me at least, nothing has been added). Besides, the size of a file is highly relative on the type of information stored, quality of the information (for example in images, bitmap; lighter/brighter colours use more space) and compression type.

I wouldn’t use the low storage space usage as absolute proof however I would be sceptical.

EDIT: that reminds me, is the 7GB requriment for DA2 including the signature edition as well??

Ah well, It's just that the space requirement for ME2 etc. seemed to match what I downloaded of Steam... So I assumed stuff .

[Lord Issa]

 Should the Alienware M11x (my new laptop ) be able to run DAII on average settings?

[Jibbed34]

Lord Issa wrote...

 Should the Alienware M11x (my new laptop ) be able to run DAII on average settings?

Are you being serious? Anything from Alienware will run most games on High settings atleast...

[Yenkaz]

Jibbed34 wrote...

Lord Issa wrote...

 Should the Alienware M11x (my new laptop ) be able to run DAII on average settings?

Are you being serious? Anything from Alienware will run most games on High settings atleast...

It's an 11-inch machine with an Nvidia 335M GT - most likely medium settings.

If he has the 1,3 GHz C2D version instead of the i5 1,0 -> 1,9gHz processor, it would technically be below CPU requirements.

Modifié par Yenkaz, 01 janvier 2011 - 12:41 .

[PSUHammer]

craigdolphin wrote...
I'm glad your experience hasn't been bad.  

There are quite a few folks with rather different experiences though. There used to be a poster on the old forum named Riftguy who got shut out of his legally purchased copy of Mass Effect because he had the audacity to do things like upgrade his video card to get a better experience, and then tried reinstalling windows, and a cooling fan as well. Y'know...really uncommon types of things PC gamers do when trying to prolong the life of their gaming rig.

That has nothing to do with the DRM.  I have gone through hardware upgrades, as well, and it didn't affect games at all.  The only time I have seen a windows reinstall have an issue is with forcing you to use up one of your installs for Bioshock.

But, regardless, I think we all agree that DRM is an annoyance to actual paying customers.  But, it is a bigger annoyance to pirates.

[Yenkaz]

1: That has everything to do with DRM, the Mass Effect DRM noticed hardware changes / installations. Enough and the game gets locked down.

2: I don't agree, and I dont think he does either. Pirates don't give a damn once hackers finds a way to bypass it. And they will.

Modifié par Yenkaz, 01 janvier 2011 - 03:53 .

[Sleepee]

ilostmycookie wrote...

Would having a nvidia 460 let you play on max settings despite it being recommended for dx11? Or would I be closer to medium or w/e

I doubt that Bioware would heavily integrate DX11 like how 4A did with Metro 2033. I was able to run DAO at max easily with just a single 460 at my current resolution of 1920x1080. In DA2, as Yenkaz said, max, or near max will likely be what you can run it at with just a single 460.

[tallon1982]

Hm these specs make me think my pc is a POS now...granted it's 4 yrs old but still it has life left in it. I guess I'll be building my new pc sooner than I wanted to. I was looking to build my new one more towards the release of ME3 and TOR.

[Malistix]

i build a pc @ the beginning of this year so i wouldn't have to worry about system requirements for the next 2 years, gogo DX11

[Eudaemonium]

*Sighs with relief* I can play it! Probably not astoundingly well, but nonetheless I can play it!



Its a good thing because I already had the game for pre-order.

[caimbeul2000]

"That has nothing to do with the DRM. I have gone through hardware upgrades, as well, and it didn't affect games at all. The only time I have seen a windows reinstall have an issue is with forcing you to use up one of your installs for Bioshock.



But, regardless, I think we all agree that DRM is an annoyance to actual paying customers. But, it is a bigger annoyance to pirates."



- Unfortunately it annoys pirates not in the slightest as DRM simply isnt there for the most part. It is only an annoyance and hinderance to legitimate customers. Thats my two cents worth but i am not sure how the issue can be resolved.

[PSUHammer]

Actually, DRM is a deterant to casual gamers who would consider copying a game disk but are not computer savvy enough to investigate hacking through DRM.



As an example, my brother and I would share games 20 years ago, before "piracy" was even a concept on our conscious. Now, we wouldnt be able to do that if we wanted to as he wouldnt know how or wouldnt want to bother with the hassel of getting around DRM. I know many people in that position. (that plus the fact we pay for all our games since we are old enough to know better).



Is it perfect? Not really, but no DRM naysayers ever have better ideas to combat piracy. Its just whining.

[Raygereio]

Hammer6767 wrote...
Actually, DRM is a deterant to casual gamers who would consider copying a game disk but are not computer savvy enough to investigate hacking through DRM.
Is it perfect? Not really, but no DRM naysayers ever have better ideas to combat piracy. Its just whining.

First of all DRM isn’t a real deterrent to anyone. You don’t have to know “hack” an executable, as most 5 year olds these days are google-savy enough to just search for a crack.
The only ones that it still deters are those gullible enough to believe the age old cracks=viruses propaganda.

Now, DRM naysayers have plenty of ideas how to combat piracy. Saying they don’t is like saying there are no alternatives to fossil fuels. There are, it’s just a matter people getting off their asses and doing something instead of complaining and clinging to old antique ways.

Most of the alternatives to DRM basically boild down to these points:
One; accept that you cannot stop all “piracy”. It’s hard, I know. But no matter how smart you think your DRM R&D department is, it has been proven beyond a measure of a doubt that there’s no competing with the efforts kids in their parents’ basements that eat your precious DRM code for breakfast. So stop trying and use those wasted resources better.

Two; stop being a faceless, corporate entity. This is probably the hardest of the bunch. But things like having a community forum here for instance help (though closing your existing forums and telling the existing community to scram over the newer social forums or get lost doesn’t help, BioWare).
Why is this necessary? Because everyone is okay with ripping EA off, you’ll hear pirates about how they’re taking on Ubisoft and Activison. You’ll hear no one talking about how they ripped of Peter Moleneux, Will Wright or David Gaider. If people stop thinking games as product from corporations, but as products from actual, real people that have put effort into their product, then they’ll be more apprehensive about not paying for it. Basic psychology.
Other basic things under this point include stuff like good, competent techsupport, for instance. This brings us to the next point.

Three; treat your customers as actual customers instead of potential thieves. The whole piracy (by Ao, that’s still such a stupid term for it) community consist of two groups. First you have those that won’t buy your game, ever. Either they don’t have the money, or they just prefer the cheap solution the Internet offers; whatever, you cannot win back these people. They’re a lost cause. Don’t bother.

Then you have the group that you can win back. These are the people that ran to piracy because their paid for copy for Gears of War didn’t work anymore because of the DRM. These are the people that ran to piracy because the DRM of game tells them they have to uninstall and uncouple their CD burner if they want to play their legally owned game. These are the people that will download a game as a demo to see if it will run on their games - as you can trust the supplied minimum system requirements less and less these days and even if you can only the sagest of sage can find their way around the quack mire that is graphic card names. These are the people that are sick of paying 50 euro for a game only to find out it’s an unplayable buggy mess.

How can you win those people back? By providing a demo, by providing a game that isn’t a buggy mess, basic stuff that anyone with half a brain can figure out.

The DRM on games does not bother pirates. Someone that downloads a crack doesn’t have to put up with securom and the likes. They don’t have to put with ET-phone-home-contraptions in their games and limited activations. People that buy the games legally do have to put with it and are being effectively being punished for not pirating the game. It’s so backwards, it’s mindboggling. Stop making sure the cracked version of the game is superior to the legal version, game industry!

Actually, I do have to give BioWare/EA some credit. Things like the Cerberus network thingy are a baby step in the right direction. Yes, they screw over the whole used game industry, but who cares about them. What it does do ensure a paying customer get a goodie that a pirate has to jump through hoops to acquire. There’s still the phoning home activation crap, but it’s at least something.

And the last point. Make better/other games. While no one has solid data on the aforementioned group that will not buy the game ever – one can infer from the games that get circulate amongst torrents the most that they by and large are teenagers. Then stop making games that appeal to teenagers. There’s a whole generation of gamers out there that are now adults. Make game that appeal to them. That said; I want my Age of Wonders 3, dammit!

tl:dr version. The gaming industry need to stop being idiots and needs some basic lessons on shop-customer interaction.

Edit; damn you formatting issues!

Modifié par Raygereio, 02 janvier 2011 - 03:19 .

[PSUHammer]

Write as many paragraphs as you want. I still stand by my statement. And, backhanded "5 year old" comments remove your legitimacy.

I just said my brother does not know how (nor does he want to learn) how to crack a game, regardless of whether or not you can google instructions. I just asked a friend of mine, a casual gamer, if he knew how to crack a PC game. His response was "I don't even know how to update a driver, remember?" THOSE people exist in greater numbers than the geeks who post on gaming forums...believe me.

At the end of the day, none of your suggestions will keep people from stealing (except Cerberus network example, which I think is a good idea). People don't steal because of DRM or buggy games. If I buy a game that sucks and doesn't work, I am not going to go through the hassle of pirating it. I just won't buy from that company anymore. Pirates STEAL because they can...period.  They are never going to fully get rid of them.  But, if I was a developer, I would be doing something to combat it.  Even if it is something as simple as making you choose wording from a game manual (anyone remember Wasteland?).

Regardless, the worst DRM decisions I have seen have been limited activations.  Just crazy.  I am a PC builder and upgrader and I constantly reload Windows and upgrade hardware.  Why punish me as a paying customer?  I think developers that do that will fall by the wayside or change their policies.  This is why I won't but another Ubisoft product even though I enjoyed Assassin's Creed.

All that said, one of the main reasons I segued to Steam for my gaming purchases is to avoid some of the DRM issues people see with disk media purchases.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 02 janvier 2011 - 04:42 .

[Raygereio]

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Though I do wish you'd read my post better. Yes, a certain group of pirates pirate their games because they can and they won't stop doing that no matter what DRM is on it. I never said one can stop DRM. You can only limit it by making sure the pirated version is not the superior product.

One other point I feel like I do need to make:
"I just said my brother does not know how (nor does he want to learn) how to crack a game"
And if he wanted to learn how he can. There was nothing backhanded about that 5 year old comment. My 5 year old daughter knows how to preform a google search, how to download a file and to copy-past a file. Those are the only skills one needs to get a crack and install it. It doesn't require any rocket science. Which admittedly certain driver updates do (damn you, Sony!).

Modifié par Raygereio, 02 janvier 2011 - 04:53 .

[zsom]

Do we actually know what type of drm DA2 will have? The sequel to Witcher will be available drm free as well. Maybe there is still hope for the industry.

What I wouldn't give for a drm free version of ME2 or DAO... I'd seriously consider paying a bit more, for the simple convenience of not having to keep the dvd in the tray...

[Demyx_IX]

I should be able to play this on high settings, right?

6.13 GB Ram
AMD Phenom II Dual Core N620 (I think It's 2.3 or 4 base ghz, not on my "gaming" laptop right now so I can't check In depth.)
ATI Mobility Radeon HD5650 1GB dedicated memory

etc

At least It runs the original DAO on highest settings. Same with ME2. Perfectly too, no lag, no errors. No problems at all basically.

Modifié par Demyx_IX, 02 janvier 2011 - 06:55 .

[Mapherez]

Ugh i better upgrade my PC :X lol

[Creylon]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Write as many paragraphs as you want. I still stand by my statement. And, backhanded "5 year old" comments remove your legitimacy.

I just said my brother does not know how (nor does he want to learn) how to crack a game, regardless of whether or not you can google instructions. I just asked a friend of mine, a casual gamer, if he knew how to crack a PC game. His response was "I don't even know how to update a driver, remember?" THOSE people exist in greater numbers than the geeks who post on gaming forums...believe me.



At the end of the day, none of your suggestions will keep people from stealing (except Cerberus network example, which I think is a good idea). People don't steal because of DRM or buggy games. If I buy a game that sucks and doesn't work, I am not going to go through the hassle of pirating it. I just won't buy from that company anymore. Pirates STEAL because they can...period.  They are never going to fully get rid of them.  But, if I was a developer, I would be doing something to combat it.  Even if it is something as simple as making you choose wording from a game manual (anyone remember Wasteland?).

Regardless, the worst DRM decisions I have seen have been limited activations.  Just crazy.  I am a PC builder and upgrader and I constantly reload Windows and upgrade hardware.  Why punish me as a paying customer?  I think developers that do that will fall by the wayside or change their policies.  This is why I won't but another Ubisoft product even though I enjoyed Assassin's Creed.

All that said, one of the main reasons I segued to Steam for my gaming purchases is to avoid some of the DRM issues people see with disk media purchases.

Pirates don't steal, they copy and pirating does not equal loss of sale in most cases.

[Creylon]

Seems my Antique Inten pentium D 3.40 won't meet the requirements this time=/.

[mcneil_1]

zsom wrote...

Do we actually know what type of drm DA2 will have? The sequel to Witcher will be available drm free as well. Maybe there is still hope for the industry.
What I wouldn't give for a drm free version of ME2 or DAO... I'd seriously consider paying a bit more, for the simple convenience of not having to keep the dvd in the tray...

Nope, we are guessing its going to be the same as ME2 or DAO so far (they usually dont announce the drm in it till about a month or so prior to release).
Hopefully EA will not advise them do a C&C4 on it <_<

[MysterD]

I knew after almost 6 years or so on this PC, it'd eventually be time to buy a new one. Looks like that time's drawing even closer now...

[Yenkaz]

Demyx_IX wrote...

I should be able to play this on high settings, right?

6.13 GB Ram
AMD Phenom II Dual Core N620 (I think It's 2.3 or 4 base ghz, not on my "gaming" laptop right now so I can't check In depth.)
ATI Mobility Radeon HD5650 1GB dedicated memory

etc

At least It runs the original DAO on highest settings. Same with ME2. Perfectly too, no lag, no errors. No problems at all basically.

High? Maybe, we can't tell excactly how the game performs without a demo / release, it is between recommended and minimum requirements. 
Chances are that it may only run well at medium with the 1366x768 resolution most new 15" and down laptops have.

An N620 is 2,8GHz. http://www.notebookc...or.31535.0.html

Modifié par Yenkaz, 02 janvier 2011 - 07:42 .

[Yenkaz]

Creylon wrote...
Pirates don't steal, they copy and pirating does not equal loss of sale in most cases.

Pirates copy.. and oppose the social contract that is supposed to be between game developers and gamers.

Too many pirates = no economic foundation to bother making PC games, even if it is not always a lost sale, it is profoundly disrespectful.