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[Lord_Saulot]

I'm a little unsure as to how to estimate performance with regard to laptop GPUs. Until I can build a new desktop, I will be running this on my laptop which has a Mobility Radeon 5730, and a 1366 x 768 screen resolution. I can run DAO on max settings with this laptop but I am not sure how it will stack up with DA2 (running at native resolution). In particular, will I be able to handle DX11, or would I be better sticking with DX9?

[JHU_P4NDA]

 Ohhh I really hope we're finally seeing more mainstream support for multi-core processors...so much untapped potential!

[Taint Master]

benbah wrote...

Ah ok, that is a little clearer thank you Gorath! I think I just panicked somewhat when I read that the 5570 wouldnt cut it seeing as I just purchased the 5570 for my new rig (yeh it's on a tight budget haha). But as long as it supports the game and dx11 I am happy!

Thanks again

If the cards and your mobo supports it, you can always snag another and X-fire them.  5570s are pretty cheap.

Modifié par Taint Master, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:21 .

[HomemComH]

" DirectX 11: ATI 5850 or greater
DirectX 11: NVIDIA 460 or greater"

What? Unless this game looks SIGNIFICANTLY better on DX 11 that's some shoddy optimization

Edit: Oh wait, I've just read you guys are supporting tesselation, soft particles and stuff, I take back what I said.

Modifié par HomemComH, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:36 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Monkey FunkR wrote...

For those interested yougamers.com can now test your system against the recommended/requirements for Dragon Age 2. The site requires a minor download and install. The site and download are both safe.

Handy site. Cheers!

Unlike the far better known test site that is terribly inaccurate, and therefore a laughing stock of a place, YouGamers has far better results.  They still make a few mistakes, but seriously they make the Can You Run It results into a mere joke to avoid. 

Also, please scroll back upward here to my assessment of Bioware's ineptitude where graphics is concerned.  If the Geforce has to be the 7900 GS, instead of perhaps the 7800 GS, then the Radeon should be one or the other of an HD 2600 XT (not the "Pro"), or else an X1800 GTO.  Thus, the 2600 Pro may not cut it after all.  In two months, we'll know for sure. 

benbah wrote...

Ah ok, that is a little clearer thank you Gorath! I think I just panicked somewhat when I read that the 5570 wouldnt cut it seeing as I just purchased the 5570 for my new rig (yeh it's on a tight budget haha). But as long as it supports the game and dx11 I am happy!

Since we will have to wait on the game to see how much Dx11 in included, it is possible that enabling Dx11 instead of any lesser version of Direct3D might put enough of a burden on the HD 5570 that one or the other, image quality, or the screen resolution, may have to be set "LOW" to have Medium on the other two, image quality and animation speeds.  Only time will tell that, but early results of various benchmarks that include a LOT of Dx11 code haven't been very favorable to most Mainline cards this far. 

If you look at what the developers are naming as Recommended for Dx11, they think it's a rather large step upward.

Lord_Saulot wrote...

I'm a little unsure as to how to estimate performance with regard to laptop GPUs. Until I can build a new desktop, I will be running this on my laptop which has a Mobility Radeon 5730, and a 1366 x 768 screen resolution. I can run DAO on max settings with this laptop but I am not sure how it will stack up with DA2 (running at native resolution). In particular, will I be able to handle DX11, or would I be better sticking with DX9?

Things are really busy in this thread today.  Yours was the "tail end charlie" I saw when I came back in awhile ago and decided to create a three part answer, for which the first two parts are done at this point.  There have been some benches performed around the 'net that have seemed to show that Dx11 really puts a sizable hit on the performance of Radeons, at least, below the level of the HD 5830 and HD 6850 (very similar to one another). 

As I've just told Benbah, we'll have to wait and see, but they did name some high end recent model cards as what they are recommending for Dx11.  It's quite possible you can take advantage of tweaking and various performance improving settings to still have Dx11 with a few compromises.  Take a look at Angband's new post in the DAO tech forum for what he's able to do with an ancient Pentium P4, and the lowest of AMD's HD 4n00 cards.

(If there was going to be Still More to be added here, I hadn't decided yet when I answered Lord_Saulot, but it appears I can call this much or a run-on multi "enough")

G

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 14 janvier 2011 - 06:19 .

[Kuroi Kenshi]

I hope we can choose with effects the DX11 adds, or the amount of tessellation (or where to apply the tesselltion) that way people with mid end DX11 cards can maybe play with a few DX11 features, like on Mafia 2 where people with ATI (aka no GPU Physix) could enable the physics effects only on sevral things (like the coat of the main char, or clothes of all NPC etc..)

[Lord_Saulot]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

Things are really busy in this thread today.  Yours was the "tail end charlie" I saw when I came back in awhile ago and decided to create a three part answer, for which the first two parts are done at this point.  There have been some benches performed around the 'net that have seemed to show that Dx11 really puts a sizable hit on the performance of Radeons, at least, below the level of the HD 5830 and HD 6850 (very similar to one another). 

As I've just told Benbah, we'll have to wait and see, but they did name some high end recent model cards as what they are recommending for Dx11.  It's quite possible you can take advantage of tweaking and various performance improving settings to still have Dx11 with a few compromises.  Take a look at Angband's new post in the DAO tech forum for what he's able to do with an ancient Pentium P4, and the lowest of AMD's HD 4n00 cards.

(If there was going to be Still More to be added here, I hadn't decided yet when I answered Lord_Saulot, but it appears I can call this much or a run-on multi "enough")

G

Gorath Alpha, thanks for that answer.  I noticed that their recommendations for DX11 were a big step up from the standard recommendations so I wasn't too sure how I would fare.  I will probably see what settings are available to tweak, like you suggested, when the game is released, though if things shape up the way I'm hoping I might be back in a situation where mobility isn't important and I can invest in building a proper desktop for gaming.

[Jem-Hellish]

Goodthing to knw.. that this will also run smoothly on my pc

[Zaknaberrnon]

my old GTX 260+ , core 2 duo E8400 @ 4.8 GHz and my 4GB of hiperX 1066 ddr2 ram should be more than up to the task.



btw my nvidia control panel says i'm running dx11. yay

[DJBare]

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

my old GTX 260+ , core 2 duo E8400 @ 4.8 GHz and my 4GB of hiperX 1066 ddr2 ram should be more than up to the task.

btw my nvidia control panel says i'm running dx11. yay

Unlikely unless you posted the wrong card, GTX260 is not directx 11 enabled.

[Taint Master]

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

my old GTX 260+ , core 2 duo E8400 @ 4.8 GHz and my 4GB of hiperX 1066 ddr2 ram should be more than up to the task.

btw my nvidia control panel says i'm running dx11. yay

Nope.  GTX 260s are DX10.1.

[Ganondorf2002]

Although my two Nvidia 285's only support DX10, I doubt I will be missing much. Can't really see spending the money to get two cards that support DX11. Maybe later on but not now. However since that is all I am lacking I expcet that this game will look great in 1920 x 1080. Looking forward to it.

[Taint Master]

285s are still pretty beastly, especially in SLI. Those have plenty of life left in them.

[Magiceye18]

Looks like (according to yougamers.com and canyourunit.com) the M11xR2 is halfway between recommended and minimum requirements. I have the i7 Core (OC'd currently to 152MHz; slowly increasing this bit by bit) and 8GB RAM version.



Hopefully I'll be able to play this with decent to high end gfx.

[Spectre_Moncy]

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

my old GTX 260+ , core 2 duo E8400 @ 4.8 GHz and my 4GB of hiperX 1066 ddr2 ram should be more than up to the task.

btw my nvidia control panel says i'm running dx11. yay

Well, no. Your graphic card (GTX 260) doesn't support DX11 games. Sorry.

Only GTX400/500 series and ATI 5000/6000 series card are DX11-enabled. You have to buy one of these card if you want DX11 in DA2.

Modifié par Spectre_Moncy, 15 janvier 2011 - 12:04 .

[Deadmac]

Magiceye18 wrote...

Looks like (according to yougamers.com and canyourunit.com) the M11xR2 is halfway between recommended and minimum requirements. I have the i7 Core (OC'd currently to 152MHz; slowly increasing this bit by bit) and 8GB RAM version.

Hopefully I'll be able to play this with decent to high end gfx.

Sounds like the machine that I just bought...

Gateway - Desktop (FX Series)
Intel Core i7 Processor (2.93GHz (up to 3.6GHz with Turbo Boost) - 8 Cores
8GB/16GB RAM
1TB Hard Drive
1GB ATI Radeon HD 5750 (I may switch this to a nVidia 9800 GT)

http://www.bestbuy.c...8&skuId=1401118

When "Dragon Age" does a hiccup for a crash, the system shakes it off with a slight twitch. My last computer would have crashed straight down. Now, everything is in full swing. "Dragon Age" uses only 15-20% of the CPU. Its crazy. "Dragon Age II's" recomended specs meet only 30% of the power of this machine.

Modifié par Deadmac, 15 janvier 2011 - 02:14 .

[Taint Master]

Deadmac wrote...

Magiceye18 wrote...

Looks like (according to yougamers.com and canyourunit.com) the M11xR2 is halfway between recommended and minimum requirements. I have the i7 Core (OC'd currently to 152MHz; slowly increasing this bit by bit) and 8GB RAM version.

Hopefully I'll be able to play this with decent to high end gfx.

Sounds like the machine that I just bought...

Gateway - Desktop (FX Series)
Intel Core i7 Processor (2.93GHz (up to 3.6GHz with Turbo Boost) - 8 Cores
8GB/16GB
1TB Hard Drive
1GB ATI Radeon HD 5750 (I may switch this to a nVidia 9800 GT)

http://www.bestbuy.c...8&skuId=1401118

Seriously?  You JUST bought an i7 and didn't get a sandy bridge processor.  Why am I not surprised?

[Deadmac]

Taint Master wrote...
Seriously?  You JUST bought an i7 and didn't get a sandy bridge processor.  Why am I not surprised?

Lol... Well, what I do for a living requires a massive rig.

[Moondoggie]

Deadmac wrote...

Magiceye18 wrote...

Looks like (according to yougamers.com and canyourunit.com) the M11xR2 is halfway between recommended and minimum requirements. I have the i7 Core (OC'd currently to 152MHz; slowly increasing this bit by bit) and 8GB RAM version.

Hopefully I'll be able to play this with decent to high end gfx.

Sounds like the machine that I just bought...

Gateway - Desktop (FX Series)
Intel Core i7 Processor (2.93GHz (up to 3.6GHz with Turbo Boost) - 8 Cores
8GB/16GB RAM
1TB Hard Drive
1GB ATI Radeon HD 5750 (I may switch this to a nVidia 9800 GT)

Why would you switch a newer GPU that is DX11 enabled to an old not as good GPU that isn't DX11 enabled?

[Taint Master]

Deadmac wrote...

Taint Master wrote...
Seriously?  You JUST bought an i7 and didn't get a sandy bridge processor.  Why am I not surprised?

Lol... Well, what I do for a living requires a massive rig.

Sandy Bridge is more powerful than the old i7 line and fairly cheap atm. 

Check this review.

Also, going from a 5750 to a 9800GT will cost you DX11 support.  Although I don't know that a 5750 can handle tessellation very well to begin with.

[Deadmac]

Moondoggie wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Sounds like the machine that I just bought...

Gateway - Desktop (FX Series)
Intel Core i7 Processor (2.93GHz (up to 3.6GHz with Turbo Boost) - 8 Cores
8GB/16GB RAM
1TB Hard Drive
1GB ATI Radeon HD 5750 (I may switch this to a nVidia 9800 GT)

Why would you switch a newer GPU that is DX11 enabled to an old not as good GPU that isn't DX11 enabled?

I was under the assumption that the nVidia 9800 GT was the superior card?

[Taint Master]

Deadmac wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Sounds like the machine that I just bought...

Gateway - Desktop (FX Series)
Intel Core i7 Processor (2.93GHz (up to 3.6GHz with Turbo Boost) - 8 Cores
8GB/16GB RAM
1TB Hard Drive
1GB ATI Radeon HD 5750 (I may switch this to a nVidia 9800 GT)

Why would you switch a newer GPU that is DX11 enabled to an old not as good GPU that isn't DX11 enabled?

I was under the assumption that the nVidia 9800 GT was the superior card?

5750 is a low end DX11 card, 9800GT was a high end DX10 card ~3 years ago.  In terms of overall performance, they're probably similar, but obviously the 5750 is newer tech.

[Moondoggie]

Deadmac wrote...

I was under the assumption that the nVidia 9800 GT was the superior card?

No. the 9 series is getting pretty old now and what was high end is now somewhere in the middle performence wise. Even the Radeon 5670 is not that far off a 9800 GT's performence level. It'd be a backwards step for you not an upgrade.

Plus the old 8 and 9 series cards are starting to reject the latest Nvidia drivers and causes errors. If you want Nvidia check out some of their newer cards.

Modifié par Moondoggie, 15 janvier 2011 - 02:27 .

[Deadmac]

Taint Master wrote...
5750 is a low end DX11 card, 9800GT was a high end DX10 card ~3 years ago. In terms of overall performance, they're probably similar, but obviously the 5750 is newer tech.

Maybe I was misinformed. Thank you.

As for the Ci7 (8 Core) processor, it was the latest on the market.

Moondoggie wrote...
No. the 9 series is getting pretty old now
and what was high end is now somewhere in the middle performence wise.
Even the Radeon 5670 is not that far off a 9800 GT's performence level.
It'd be a backwards step for you not an upgrade.

Plus the old 8
and 9 series cards are starting to reject the latest Nvidia drivers and
causes errors. If you want Nvidia check out some of their newer cards.

When I went to browse for another graphics card, I was told the 9800 GT was the best to buy. Well, that is technology for you. It keeps evolving. I would have made a BIG mistake. Thank you both. I will keep the ATI for now.

Modifié par Deadmac, 15 janvier 2011 - 02:30 .

[Gorath Alpha]

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

Approximately 80% of the faster Radeon's performance, and from a three years older design.