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[Gorath Alpha]

Apophis2412 wrote...

Geforce 320 GT

 I already know that my video card is to old. It already has some problems running DAO. I'm thinking of upgrading it to an Asus Radeon HD 6850.

It was never a question of "new" or "old", honestly, but strictly of low cost.  The Geforce GT 220 and GT 320 took up where the Geforce 9400 GT and 8500 GT had left off, adjusted for time.   A year ago, the GT 320 was a warm-over of the GT 220, which had been new two years ago, so neither are technically "old", merely SLOWER than a proper Mainline Gaming card, but they were never intended to be equal to any such cards.  

I've just edited off all the rest of a long card history discussion that I may send via PM if you are interested, but wasn't required in the forum, actually. 

The HD 6850 is an excellent card for a game player.  And it's a good value, which the GT220 and GT320 had not been.

Gorath

[lisakover]

Demo runs at medium settings 2x AA 1280 x1024 perfectly with no slowdown and still looks better than the 360 and ps3 versions with:



Intel Duo E6600 2.4ghz

Geforce 9500gt 1gb

4gb Ram



You don't need high specs at all for this game, budget pcs run it perfectly.

[Gorath Alpha]

The 9500 GT, when still new, three years ago, was still a Mainline Graphics Card, since it was the Geforce 8600 GT design, just shrunken down a notch for a thinner die wafer, and then renamed. The GT220, however, was designed as a budget card for a tight-fisted buyer when it was new. The 9400 GT had been the equivalent when your card was new' having been a renamed 8500 GT.

[2doorg]

Oops, meant to post something else (see 4 posts below)

Modifié par 2doorg, 27 février 2011 - 09:25 .

[Schurschli]

Could someone from BIOWARE confirm, that the system specs are the same for the demo, please?

I've read through a lot of fan-answers in the past few days, and they range from "if the demo works, that means Dragon Age 2 works too" to "no, that doesn't mean, the game actually works too".

I'm curious, because systemrequirementslab.com says my video card won't work, but the demo works just fine, even better than Dragon Age: Origins. I would really hate to chancel my pre-order, but what I'd hate even more is buying the game, just to find out it won't work.

Thanks for answering!

[Marc999]

I just picked up another XFX 5770 to try out crossfire. It's functioning well, and the Heaven benchmark in DirectX 11 is certainly brutal with tesselation, but my score doubled and gpu-z shows both cards in use. Regarding DA 2 demo, I played the following day it came out and a single 5770 was sufficient @ my native resolution of 1920x1080 in DirectX 9. Obviously/hopefully the textures will be better in the product release but the skills offered are pretty cool, except for the rogue bomb tossing via spin kick is a little over the top...haha.

[Pitrus]

Schurschli wrote...

Could someone from BIOWARE confirm, that the system specs are the same for the demo, please?

I've read through a lot of fan-answers in the past few days, and they range from "if the demo works, that means Dragon Age 2 works too" to "no, that doesn't mean, the game actually works too".

I'm curious, because systemrequirementslab.com says my video card won't work, but the demo works just fine, even better than Dragon Age: Origins. I would really hate to chancel my pre-order, but what I'd hate even more is buying the game, just to find out it won't work.

Thanks for answering!

First of all, never trust what systemrequirementslab.com tells you, it's a terribly broken site.

Second, all your fears could be put to rest if you simply post you video card specifics here.

[2doorg]

Here's my machine.

Asus N61J. i7 Q720 @1.60 GHz (boosts to 2.8), 4.0GB RAM, ATI HD 5730 with 1 GB VRAM (DDR3)

Played DA:O and DA:A on high settings, no problem.

What do you think?

[Schurschli]

Pitrus wrote...

Schurschli wrote...

Could someone from BIOWARE confirm, that the system specs are the same for the demo, please?

I've read through a lot of fan-answers in the past few days, and they range from "if the demo works, that means Dragon Age 2 works too" to "no, that doesn't mean, the game actually works too".

I'm curious, because systemrequirementslab.com says my video card won't work, but the demo works just fine, even better than Dragon Age: Origins. I would really hate to chancel my pre-order, but what I'd hate even more is buying the game, just to find out it won't work.

Thanks for answering!

First of all, never trust what systemrequirementslab.com tells you, it's a terribly broken site.

Second, all your fears could be put to rest if you simply post you video card specifics here.

Thanks for offering some help. I'm not sure how you would know at all, but since I don't expect a reply from BioWare, let's try.

OS: Windows XP
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 @ 2.40 GHz
RAM: 2 GB
Video: NVIDIA Quadro FX 1700 (512MB)

As you can see, this is not a gaming computer. I mainly use it for CAD applications and Photoshop. That means, I'm not going to upgrade/replace it anytime soon. I can live with low graphic settings as long as the game runs.

I played DA:O at 1440x900 on medium graphic and high texture settings.
The demo worked fine at 1680x1050 and medium graphics. No AA though, in both games, though I didn't bother to try it out in the demo.

Thanks for your help! ^^

[Pitrus]

Schurschli wrote...

Thanks for offering some help. I'm not sure how you would know at all, but since I don't expect a reply from BioWare, let's try.

OS: Windows XP
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 @ 2.40 GHz
RAM: 2 GB
Video: NVIDIA Quadro FX 1700 (512MB)

As you can see, this is not a gaming computer. I mainly use it for CAD applications and Photoshop. That means, I'm not going to upgrade/replace it anytime soon. I can live with low graphic settings as long as the game runs.

I played DA:O at 1440x900 on medium graphic and high texture settings.
The demo worked fine at 1680x1050 and medium graphics. No AA though, in both games, though I didn't bother to try it out in the demo.

Thanks for your help! ^^

First off I'm afraid my knowledge of Nvidia's workstation video cards such as yours is rather poor, so I would wait for more educated helpers (Gorath Alpha perhaps) to be sure.

That said though, my guess is that if you were able to run both DA:O and the demo for DA2 there's a good chance you'll be able to run DA2 as well, if not at the higher graphic settings.

[Gorath Alpha]

That card is strictly Dx10, and basically is a Geforce 9500 GT, which was in fact a warmed over 8600 GT on a thinner die wafer with a new name.  As such, it is now at the lower end of the medium, "Mainline" segment of graphics cards, and in the full DA2 game should be expected to still run most everything at medium, both image quality and screen resolution.

http://www.nvidia.co..._1700_m_us.html

http://www.notebookc...0M.17671.0.html

http://www.notebookc...-GS.8837.0.html

[saixme]

Could someone look into my system specs too, please? I'm worried whether my graphic card will be able to handle a DirectX 11 game. I played demo on high settings, and it ran smoothly (except cutscenes, but I guess everyone experienced that stuttering).

OS: Windows 7 x86
CPU: AMD Turion X2 RM-70 @2,1 GHz
RAM: 3 Gb DDR2
Video: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 (512Mb)

[basdoorn]

saixme wrote...

I'm worried whether my graphic card will be able to handle a DirectX 11 game. I played demo on high settings, and it ran smoothly.

OS: Windows 7 x86
CPU: AMD Turion X2 RM-70 @2,1 GHz
RAM: 3 Gb DDR2
Video: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 (512Mb)

CPU is on the low side and only just above minimum (Athlon 64 X2 1.8GHz is the official minimum), video card is between minimum and recommended. I missed the mobility part before the 3650, your video card is at or even below minimum depending on the memory type used (which can be DDR2-GDDR4 for this card). RAM should be the least of your worries as long as you don't have other programs running besides Dragon Age, OS is fine. The game will run, but your CPU and video card will limit your gaming performance in Dragon Age 2. Expect to run on the lowest settings and expect to run a low resolution.

DirectX 11 is not really an issue here. Although the game has a DX-11 option for even higher quality graphics it is not really a DX-11 title. If an XboX 360 can run it, so can you. Your video card hardware does not support DX-11 features, so you will be running in DirectX-9 mode anyway.

Modifié par basdoorn, 28 février 2011 - 05:32 .

[OHM_LO]

May i inquire why so many ask about if there machines will run the game, whan they should just test the demo, running it in DX9 will give very similar if not directly the same fps as the retail version.

[Gorath Alpha]

Decent broadband connections just aren't universal, particularly outside of the larger metropolitan areas here in the states.  Anything as potentially large as the Demo's size, is difficult to obtain on narrower bandwidth, such as dial-up.  I have 384 down and 256 up, which is really not very good, but it's what the local packages offer on the "Family Combo" plans with cable TV, landline phone, and Internet in one monthly payment. 

[basdoorn]

OHM_LO wrote...
May i inquire why so many ask about if there machines will run the game, whan they should just test the demo, running it in DX9 will give very similar if not directly the same fps as the retail version.

Besides what Gorath points out about not everyone being able to download a 2GB demo, also not that the demo is far from a full game. We have seen only a very limited area complexity in each of the demo segments, with highly similar terrain and even number of different characters until the game needs to load again. I would be cautious to assume the full game will not have significantly more textures and models to load into memory for certain areas of the game, which can make it run really slow in comparison to the demo.

In Dragon Age : Origins almost nobody was having trouble with combat along the road, but Orzammar commons and Denerim marketplace were another story entirely. I do hope we will get some environments like that in DA2, despite the performance disadvantages such places bring.

Modifié par basdoorn, 28 février 2011 - 05:41 .

[TKavatar]

Will this work? I think my video card's the limiting factor...

CPU: Intel Core i5 650 @ 3.20 GHz
RAM: 4GB DDR3
Video: ATI Radeon HD 5570 1 GB (DirectX 11 enabled, btw)

[Gorath Alpha]

TKavatar wrote...

Will this work? I think my video card's the limiting factor...

CPU: Intel Core i5 650 @ 3.20 GHz
RAM: 4GB DDR3
Video: ATI Radeon HD 5570 1 GB (DirectX 11 enabled, btw)

You're above the minimum (which is Dx9, SM-3) by a good margin, but you don't have close to the power for the "Very High" settings that use Dx11 functions. 

[Schurschli]

Pitrus wrote...

First
off I'm afraid my knowledge of Nvidia's workstation video cards such as
yours is rather poor, so I would wait for more educated helpers (Gorath
Alpha perhaps) to be sure.

That said though, my guess is that if
you were able to run both DA:O and the demo for DA2 there's a good
chance you'll be able to run DA2 as well, if not at the higher graphic
settings.

No problem, thank you anyway!

Gorath Alpha wrote...

That card is strictly Dx10, and basically is a Geforce 9500 GT, which was in fact a warmed over 8600 GT on a thinner die wafer with a new name.  As such, it is now at the lower end of the medium, "Mainline" segment of graphics cards, and in the full DA2 game should be expected to still run most everything at medium, both image quality and screen resolution.

http://www.nvidia.co..._1700_m_us.html

http://www.notebookc...0M.17671.0.html

http://www.notebookc...-GS.8837.0.html

Thanks for joining in on this. Unfortunately you got that wrong though, I don't have the FX 1700M, it's just a FX 1700. It came out a year earlier and therefore seems to be a lot weaker than the FX 1700M. I guess it rather compares to a low-end card, but as I said, I'm fine with playing on low settings, as long as it runs.

OHM_LO wrote...

May i inquire why so many ask about if
there machines will run the game, whan they should just test the demo,
running it in DX9 will give very similar if not directly the same fps as
the retail version.

See, if BioWare just said so, than that would be fine, but so far they didn't confirm anything. It's just a guess at best. I can't speak for others, and honestly I don't know why one would ask if there system could run it on high settings, you could just wait anyway, but if your card is rather on the low-end of the scale, it might be important to know whether you've got to cancel your pre-order or not. As you pointed out, if playing the demo could give you an idea that would be great! That's what I asked in the first place. But so far I got no response from BioWare whatsoever...

Modifié par Schurschli, 28 février 2011 - 07:02 .

[saixme]

basdoorn, thank you for your help. I now consider buying an Xbox version of DAII, even though I never played DAO on Xbox, but have like thousands of PC DAO saves ready to be imported (

[basdoorn]

Schurschli wrote...
See, if BioWare just said so, than that would be fine, but so far they didn't confirm anything. It's just a guess at best.

It gets even worse. Lets assume the demo DirectX 9 performance equals the full game DirectX 9 performance. What if the full game has areas with (much) more textures, models etc... like Orzammar en Denerim had in DA:O? In this case you might think you will have smooth play throughout the entire demo while you get performance issues in certain (complex) areas of the game.

My tip of the day: do not spend money on hardware now if you are honestly concerned about DA:2 performance. Wait until the game has been played by the masses. After a week lots of people on these forums can tell you how the game is performing for them. Then decide what to upgrade and which components you want for your new build. Honestly though it is an RPG, if you meet Bioware's recommended specifications you should be able to enjoy the game just fine.

If you worry about hardware and performance more than about game enjoyment, maybe a console is (seriously) better for you, as it takes all your performance worries away. On a console Bioware will make sure you get the 'right' gaming experience and frame rates. Moreover for consoles they can confirm that the game will run properly.

[basdoorn]

saixme wrote...
basdoorn, thank you for your help. I now consider buying an Xbox version of DAII, even though I never played DAO on Xbox, but have like thousands of PC DAO saves ready to be imported (

You are welcome and considering console with your specs makes sense. That said, if you can wait one more additional week before you can play DA:2 just stick it out and ask on the forum how the game runs for people with builds at the minimum specifications. Especially if this same computer used to run DA:O to your satisfaction. Maybe it is not so bad after all and you can still use your PC savegames. Or maybe we all find out the savegame import is not that big a deal after all. Knowing this before you purchase might make your decision easier. You will not get a discount if you ever want to change platforms, so you would need to buy the game twice if you pick wrong, at least so it was with DA:O. Depending on your budget this could be important.

Modifié par basdoorn, 01 mars 2011 - 12:43 .

[basdoorn]

Schurschli wrote...

Gorath Alpha wrote...
That card is strictly Dx10, and basically is a Geforce 9500 GT, which was in fact a warmed over 8600 GT on a thinner die wafer with a new name.  As such, it is now at the lower end of the medium, "Mainline" segment of graphics cards, and in the full DA2 game should be expected to still run most everything at medium, both image quality and screen resolution.

Thanks for joining in on this. Unfortunately you got that wrong though, I don't have the FX 1700M, it's just a FX 1700. It came out a year earlier and therefore seems to be a lot weaker than the FX 1700M. I guess it rather compares to a low-end card, but as I said, I'm fine with playing on low settings, as long as it runs.

The FX 1700 (not M) is about 20-40% slower than a standard 8600 GT, both are based on the same architecture. The minimum specified by Bioware is the 7900 GS, which has about 1.5-3 times more power than your card. I expect the game will start as you are not violating any technical requirements such as supported DirectX version, shader model, or memory amount (you do have 256MB or more graphics memory right?), but the main question is will it really run or will it turn slide-show/purple screen/angry on you. The FX-1700 card is below the DA:2 minimum as far as video processing power (memory bandwidth, pixel/texture fill rate) is concerned, that much is certain.

FX-1700 vs 8600 GT
http://www.gpureview...1=558&card2=513

FX-1700 vs 7900 GS 
http://www.gpureview...1=558&card2=443

Modifié par basdoorn, 01 mars 2011 - 01:05 .

[Mooner911]

Was running nVidia 9600GT for DA:O(etc.), ME 1&2, Witcher, and a few others. Needed to upgrade for the new Dx11 gen games coming out this year. Had my eye on the nVidia GTX460 or GTX5xx if I had to. Bought the 460 but it wouldn't POST so returned it and got another. It wouldn't POST either. Went to nVidia website to find out wtf. Apparently the 4xx and 5xx are having serious probs with many various mobo's. Frequent crashes, no POST's, no boots, etc.
Grabbed the ATI HD 6850 and no probs at all. Both ME's run cleaner and clearer than I knew was possible. Didn't know I was missing out on the real graphics. Nice job BW.

FYI

Gorath Alpha wrote...

Apophis2412 wrote...
Geforce 320 GT
 I already know that my video card is to old. It already has some problems running DAO. I'm thinking of upgrading it to an Asus Radeon HD 6850.

It was never a question of "new" or "old", honestly, but strictly of low cost.  The Geforce GT 220 and GT 320 took up where the Geforce 9400 GT and 8500 GT had left off, adjusted for time.   A year ago, the GT 320 was a warm-over of the GT 220, which had been new two years ago, so neither are technically "old", merely SLOWER than a proper Mainline Gaming card, but they were never intended to be equal to any such cards.  
I've just edited off all the rest of a long card history discussion that I may send via PM if you are interested, but wasn't required in the forum, actually. 
The HD 6850 is an excellent card for a game player.  And it's a good value, which the GT220 and GT320 had not been.
Gorath

[Gorath Alpha]

I have noted what I consider to have been another case of Bioware naming different performance levels between Geforces and Radeons, and my version of their requirements includes comments to the effect that either a Geforce 7800 GS is actually usable, or else the Radeon 2600 Pro will be too slow, and a 2600 "XT" will be required (similar to the difference between an HD 4650 and HD 4670).