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[lrrose]

From my observations, 30 hours is the average RPG length

[Brockololly]

I'm curious to see what exactly it is they're doing with DX11 though too. Its definitely nice to have, but if the textures and more basic graphical elements look like rubbish, then its kind of a moot point.

[Ryzaki]

Well this is from Gorath's thread (he said something was iffy about the cards I believe)

Since this wasn't a pinned advisory at first, bumps from time to time were in order.
Also, a practical version of the System Requirements is needed.
Minimum System Requirements for Mass Effect on the PC
(Corrected from dumb, Pie in the Sky lies to the real thing)
Operating System:
Windows XP or Vista
Processor:
2.4+GHZ Intel or 2.0+GHZ AMD
Memory:
1 Gigabyte Ram (XP)
2 Gigabyte Ram (Vista)
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 6 series (6800GT or better: 210, 7100, 7200, 7300, 7400, 7500, 7600 GS, 8200, 8300, 8400 GS, 8500, 9200, & 9300 are below minimum system requirements)
ATI Radeon X1650 XT (X1300, X1300 Pro, X1550, HD 2400, HD 3200, HD 3450, HD 3470, HD 4200, HD 4350, HD 4550, and HD 5450 are below minimum system requirements)
Hard Drive Space:
12 Gigabytes
Sound Card:
DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card and drivers

*goes in search for ME2 recs*

PC MINIMUM System Requirements
OS = Windows XP SP3 / Windows Vista SP1 / Windows 7
Processor = 1.8GHz Intel Core 2 Duo or equivalent AMD CPU
Memory = 1 GB RAM for Windows XP / 2 GB RAM for Windows Vista and Windows 7
Hard Drive = 15 GB
DVD ROM = 1x Speed
Sound Card = DirectX 9.0c compatible
Direct X = DirectX 9.0c August 2008 (included)
Input = Keyboard / Mouse

Video Card = 256 MB (with Pixel Shader 3.0 support). Supported
Chipsets: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 or greater; ATI Radeon X1600 Pro or
greater. Please note that NVIDIA GeForce 7300, 8100, 8200, 8300,
8400, and 9300; ATI Radeon HD3200, and HD4350 are below minimum system
requirements. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be
required. Intel and S3 video cards are not officially supported in Mass
Effect 2.

PC RECOMMENDED System Requirements
Windows XP SP3 / Windows Vista SP1 / Windows 7
2.6+ GHz Cure 2 Duo Intel or equivalent AMD CPU
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT, or better recommended
100% DirectX compatible sound card and drivers
DirectX August 2008
NOTES:
For the best results, make sure you have the latest drivers for your
video and audio cards. Laptop or mobile versions of the above supported
video cards have not had extensive testing and may have driver or other
performance issues. As such, they are not officially supported in Mass
Effect 2. Intel and S3 video cards are not officially supported in Mass
Effect 2.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 décembre 2010 - 02:29 .

[hexaligned]

lrrose wrote...

From my observations, 30 hours is the average RPG length

Maybe on the console, (even then Lost Odyysey and Lat Remnant both took me over 70 hours, and those are the only 2 console games I've bought recently)  ME2 was the first RPG I've boughten in recent memory that took me less than 50 hours.  Around 25ish I believe for that game.

[Underoath]

Brockololly wrote...

I'm curious to see what exactly it is they're doing with DX11 though too. Its definitely nice to have, but if the textures and more basic graphical elements look like rubbish, then its kind of a moot point.

Every preview we've seen has said the grahpics are way better..........aww wait a minute..........that's for the consoles.

[Xeyska]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Can someone post the specs for ME1 and 2 (especially the GB requirement) so we can compare?

Minimum System Requirements for Mass Effect on the PC

Operating System:
Windows XP or Vista

Processor:
2.4+GHZ Intel or 2.0+GHZ AMD

Memory:
1 Gigabyte Ram (XP)
2 Gigabyte Ram (Vista)

Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 6 series(6800GT or better)
ATI 1300XT or better (X1550, X1600 Pro and HD2400 are below minimum system requirements)

Hard Drive Space:
12 Gigabytes

Sound Card:
DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card and drivers
----------

Recommended System Requirements for Mass Effect on the PC

Operating System:
Windows XP or Vista

Processor:
2.6+GHZ Intel or 2.4+GHZ AMD

Memory:
2 Gigabyte Ram

Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX or higher.
ATI X1800 XL series or higher

Hard Drive Space:
12 Gigabytes

Sound Card:
DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card and drivers – 5.1 sound card recommended

ME2:

PC MINIMUM System Requirements
OS = Windows XP SP3 / Windows Vista SP1 / Windows 7
Processor = 1.8GHz Intel Core 2 Duo or equivalent AMD CPU
Memory = 1 GB RAM for Windows XP / 2 GB RAM for Windows Vista and Windows 7
Hard Drive = 15 GB
DVD ROM = 1x Speed
Sound Card = DirectX 9.0c compatible
Direct X = DirectX 9.0c August 2008 (included)
Input = Keyboard / Mouse

Video Card = 256 MB (with Pixel Shader 3.0 support). Supported
Chipsets: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 or greater; ATI Radeon X1600 Pro or
greater. Please note that NVIDIA GeForce 7300, 8100, 8200, 8300,
8400, and 9300; ATI Radeon HD3200, and HD4350 are below minimum system
requirements. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be
required. Intel and S3 video cards are not officially supported in Mass
Effect 2.

PC RECOMMENDED System Requirements
Windows XP SP3 / Windows Vista SP1 / Windows 7
2.6+ GHz Cure 2 Duo Intel or equivalent AMD CPU
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT, or better recommended
100% DirectX compatible sound card and drivers
DirectX August 2008

[KnightofPhoenix]

So, either DA2 has worse graphics and texture than ME1 and 2 (so much for new cinematic feel), has less voice acting and dialogue (....), is just shorter (ME2 took me about 30-40 and I was taking my time). Or a combination of all three.

Did I get it right?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 16 décembre 2010 - 02:35 .

[ErichHartmann]

relhart wrote...

lrrose wrote...

From my observations, 30 hours is the average RPG length

Maybe on the console, (even then Lost Odyysey and Lat Remnant both took me over 70 hours, and those are the only 2 console games I've bought recently)  ME2 was the first RPG I've boughten in recent memory that took me less than 50 hours.  Around 25ish I believe for that game.

JRPGs tend to have long winded cut scenes (at least the one's I own).

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So, either DA2 has worse graphics and texture than ME2 (so much for new cinematic feel), has less voice acting and dialogue (....), is just shorter (ME2 took me about 30-40 and I was taking my time). Or a combination of all three.

Did I get it right?

Either that or BW has learned some magic compression techniques.

[Atakuma]

I only got around 40 hours on Origins, so if it takes me any less than 30 for Da2 I'll be disappointed.

Modifié par Atakuma, 16 décembre 2010 - 02:32 .

[Underoath]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So, either DA2 has worse graphics and texture than ME2 (so much for new cinematic feel), has less voice acting and dialogue (....), is just shorter (ME2 took me about 30-40 and I was taking my time). Or a combination of all three.
Did I get it right?

Or they could be compressing and optimizing like crazy, which is a really good thing. Also the 7GB is the minimum requirement so the settings the player is using could mess with that as well.

It's just odd because there is a whole lot of voice acting and normally audio eats up quite a bit of space.

Modifié par Underoath, 16 décembre 2010 - 02:33 .

[Ryzaki]

ErichHartmann wrote...

relhart wrote...

lrrose wrote...

From my observations, 30 hours is the average RPG length

Maybe on the console, (even then Lost Odyysey and Lat Remnant both took me over 70 hours, and those are the only 2 console games I've bought recently)  ME2 was the first RPG I've boughten in recent memory that took me less than 50 hours.  Around 25ish I believe for that game.

JRPGs tend to have long winded cut scenes (at least the one's I own).

Ah true. long winded and drop dead gorgogues cutscenes. Unlike DA and ME where the cutscenes look worse than the rest of the game.

[slimgrin]

I fear this is one issue Laidlaw won't be clarifying, for obvious reasons.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 décembre 2010 - 02:34 .

[hexaligned]

ErichHartmann wrote...

relhart wrote...

lrrose wrote...

From my observations, 30 hours is the average RPG length

Maybe on the console, (even then Lost Odyysey and Lat Remnant both took me over 70 hours, and those are the only 2 console games I've bought recently)  ME2 was the first RPG I've boughten in recent memory that took me less than 50 hours.  Around 25ish I believe for that game.

JRPGs tend to have long winded cut scenes (at least the one's I own).

Yeah, granted those games are 90% side quests and optional bosses too, I'm sure you could get through the story in 30 hours.

Modifié par relhart, 16 décembre 2010 - 02:48 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So, either DA2 has worse graphics and texture than ME2 (so much for new cinematic feel), has less voice acting and dialogue (....), is just shorter (ME2 took me about 30-40 and I was taking my time). Or a combination of all three.

Did I get it right?

Either that or BW has learned some magic compression techniques.

I think the chances for that are too small for me to start hoping again.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So, either DA2 has worse graphics and texture than ME2 (so much for new cinematic feel), has less voice acting and dialogue (....), is just shorter (ME2 took me about 30-40 and I was taking my time). Or a combination of all three.

Did I get it right?

Pretty much- or BioWare has some technical wizard like John Carmack to shrink DA2 down on disk. Or maybe they've optimized the engine to such a great extent? I don't know, but comparing ~20GB for Origins as the recommended space to only 7GB for DA2 seems a rather significant difference. Whether that difference is foreshadowing a PC game with crummy textures, less VO and less content is anyone's guess.

slimgrin wrote...

I fear this is one issue Laidlaw won't be clarifying, for obvious reasons.

Well, if they'd show some PC gameplay with some nice high res textures, swanky DX11 compute shaders, tesselation and some nice multicore threading going on, that would alleviate some of the pessimism.

Modifié par Brockololly, 16 décembre 2010 - 02:38 .

[Underoath]

Brockololly wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So, either DA2 has worse graphics and texture than ME2 (so much for new cinematic feel), has less voice acting and dialogue (....), is just shorter (ME2 took me about 30-40 and I was taking my time). Or a combination of all three.

Did I get it right?

Pretty much- or BioWare has some technical wizard like John Carmack to shrink DA2 down on disk. Or maybe they've optimized the engine to such a great extent? I don't know, but comparing ~20GB for Origins as the recommended space to only 7GB for DA2 seems a rather significant difference. Whether that difference is foreshadowing a PC game with crummy textures, less VO and less content is anyone's guess.

Don't let this little anomaly get you down Brock . It will all be good. There are some other games that are huge with not many GB's required.

[TJPags]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So, either DA2 has worse graphics and texture than ME1 and 2 (so much for new cinematic feel), has less voice acting and dialogue (....), is just shorter (ME2 took me about 30-40 and I was taking my time). Or a combination of all three.

Did I get it right?

See, this is my thought exactly.

Awakening for me is about a 15-20 hr game (I'd say about 17 normally, unless I spend time just letting it sit, which I do on occassion).  And DA2 is supposed to have better graphics (which should take more space) plus voice for the PC (which should take more space) and yet isn't even twice as large as Awakening.
I don't play a ton of games, and when I do, it's on the 360, but I do like games that have some length - either that, or they better be DAMN good.
So 30-40 hrs kind of seems low to me, personally.

slimgrin wrote...

I fear this is one issue Laidlaw won't be clarifying, for obvious reasons.

I fear you're right.

[jove97]

my best guess is that there are less locations to visit with more things happening in them.

[Underoath]

jove97 wrote...

my best guess is that there are less locations to visit with more things happening in them.

I suppose that this is possible, but I still really see only two options
1. They are doing some really top of the line compression craziness or
2. This is going to be a short game.

As this is Bioware we are talking about, I think I'll assume some awesome qualityness (yea for making up words) is going on but that's just imo

[Shadelon]

jove97 wrote...

my best guess is that there are less locations to visit with more things happening in them.

That WOULD make perfect sense, as looking at the worldmap, from what I can see, the Free Marches is about half the size of Ferelden. And they did say that most of the game will take place within the city of Kirkwall, I believe. So smaller country=less locations, but more content within those fewer locations. 

Very good guess, if you take a good look at the world map and see for yourself how large the country you'll have to work in actually is. 

[Lucy Glitter]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So, either DA2 has worse graphics and texture than ME1 and 2 (so much for new cinematic feel), has less voice acting and dialogue (....), is just shorter (ME2 took me about 30-40 and I was taking my time). Or a combination of all three.

Did I get it right?

I would say so.

Jesus. I should have expected to be so disappointed like this. This is trainwreck after trainwreck of news for us gamers. 

TJPags wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I fear this is one issue Laidlaw won't be clarifying, for obvious reasons.

I fear you're right.

I could say some kind of scathing comment about BioWare right now, but TBH I don't have the energy to be upset or even care anymore. They can screw up their franchise, w/e. I can't do anything about it. 

Back to my discussion group and MEG thread I go. No more news about DA2, it just makes me more depressed.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 16 décembre 2010 - 04:21 .

[Uhh.. Jonah]

I really doubt Bioware would make such a short game.

If they do I would be deeply disapointed

[MKDAWUSS]

Short main campaign, followed by nickel-and-dime DLC?