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[Leonia]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

RussianSpy27 wrote...

I don't understand why the developers can't tell us how the game's length approximately compares to DA:O? That info will pop up in reviews right after the game ships anyway...it's not like knowing this information would make the pre-order people change their mind

Telling us that it is cofirmed shorter all the time isnt going to make people want to preorder more.. WTF would they go around telling us that if they didnt have to.

Its not a typo people..

But they have been telling us all along it will be shorter than Origins..

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

Fallout 3 didn't have a voiced protagonist.

Sharn01 wrote...

There was more dialog in Origins by the time you finished Ostagar then in the entirety of Fallout 3.

FWIW the voiceover subdirectory of Dragon Age: Origins (at least on my PC) is 185MB. Even if we double that, it hardly accounts for all that much in terms of the big picture.

Edit: In fact, the subdirectory for sound - apart from the voiceover - is 514MB, just to put that number in perspective. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 décembre 2010 - 05:59 .

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Fallout 3 didn't have a voiced protagonist.

Sharn01 wrote...

There was more dialog in Origins by the time you finished Ostagar then in the entirety of Fallout 3.

FWIW the voiceover subdirectory of Dragon Age: Origins (at least on my PC) is 185MB. Even if we double that, it hardly accounts for all that much in terms of the big picture.

What about the textures in that case?

Though only 185MB...that's not as large as I thought it would be.

Edit: Sheninagans. VO in my installation is 1.8GB

Edit Again: 1.28 if you remove facial animations.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 décembre 2010 - 06:01 .

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Talon_Wu wrote...

Personally, I think it's a typo.

I wouldn't mind that. 7 GB is itty-bitty. Jade Empire was bigger.

Maybe Dragon Age 2 is a grower.

You know, it's rather unlikely that I know obscure descriptors for male genitalia.

[Talon_Wu]

Brockololly wrote...

Right, the 7GB value is the size of the game installed on your hard drive. For Origins it was recommended you have 20GB free, and yet that came compressed on one DVD. For DA2, they're saying that uncompressed and installed its only 7GB.

Which makes no logical sense. Either the game is 10 hours long, or somebody transcribed it wrong when they posted the specs originally. The sound files alone are going to take a huge amount of space when unpackaged to the computer.
On my computer hard drive, Jade Empire is 6.91 GB, ME1 is 10.2, ME2 is 16.7, DAO is 22.9. DA2 will NOT be 7 GB unpacked. It. Is. A. Typo.

Mistakes happen. Mistakes like, I don't know, uploading LOTSB as a package of zeroes.

[upsettingshorts]

Maria Caliban wrote...

You know, it's rather unlikely that I know obscure descriptors for male genitalia.

Good thing there's a larger audience on this forum then one, then?

Ryzaki wrote...

What about the textures in that case?

Though only 185MB...that's not as large as I thought it would be.

Subdirectory titled "textures" is 1.72GB.
Subdirectory titled "env" is 4.91GB.
Subdirectory titled "data" is 2.60 GB.

This is clean install - no mods whatsoever - of both DA:O and DA:A (Steam version), but this is under the "core" directory and not the "core_ep1" directory, so I'm assuming it is simply DA:O.

[Zjarcal]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Fallout 3 didn't have a voiced protagonist.

Sharn01 wrote...

There was more dialog in Origins by the time you finished Ostagar then in the entirety of Fallout 3.

FWIW the voiceover subdirectory of Dragon Age: Origins (at least on my PC) is 185MB. Even if we double that, it hardly accounts for all that much in terms of the big picture.

Edit: In fact, the subdirectory for sound - apart from the voiceover - is 514MB, just to put that number in perspective. 

Yeah, but that's the subdirectory in the Data folder. The VO folder in the Modules\\Single Player subdirectory  is 1.78 GB.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 16 décembre 2010 - 06:04 .

[Ryzaki]

@UpsettingShorts: I'm looking at the Program files directory (where my mods *wouldn't* be installed anyways) Under C: Program Files: Dragon age (Bin Ship) moduels, single player, vo, en-us it has 1.28 GB

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 décembre 2010 - 06:06 .

[upsettingshorts]

Zjarcal wrote...

Yeah, but that's the subdirectory in the Data folder. The VO folder in the Modules subdirectory  is 1.78 GB.

Yep, that's what I'm looking through now.

The "data" subfolder in the modules subdirectory is 3.20GB. 

So while voices do seem to take up a significant portion of the install, they aren't the biggest chunk - which seems to be environments.  Anyway, I'm not sure where attempting to figure out how they get 7GB from is going to get us anywhere.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 décembre 2010 - 06:06 .

[Brockololly]

Talon_Wu wrote...
On my computer hard drive, Jade Empire is 6.91 GB, ME1 is 10.2, ME2 is 16.7, DAO is 22.9. DA2 will NOT be 7 GB unpacked. It. Is. A. Typo.

Either its a typo or DA2 is going to be Jade Empire in length.

Talon_Wu wrote...
Mistakes happen. Mistakes like, I don't know, uploading LOTSB as a package of zeroes.

That one was priceless.

Modifié par Brockololly, 16 décembre 2010 - 06:05 .

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

You know, it's rather unlikely that I know obscure descriptors for male genitalia.

Good thing there's a larger audience on this forum then one, then?

Sorry. I tend to assume comments addressed to me are an attempt to communicate with me.

[Zjarcal]

Brockololly wrote...
Either its a typo or DA2 is going to be Jade Empire in length.

How long has JE by the way?

[SDNcN]

I'm going wait until after the eventual dev comment to worry.

[Ryzaki]

Zjarcal wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
Either its a typo or DA2 is going to be Jade Empire in length.

How long has JE by the way?

For me around ~15 - 20 hours.

Note: No player VO a lot of repeated VO (Tho Fan) and really linear.

Though they were up until DAO my favorite BW companions. (Sky and Silk Fox in particular)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 décembre 2010 - 06:08 .

[RussianSpy27]

I hope DA2 won't end up getting one of those Gamespot's dubious review cartoons for "short game..." It's a cartoon of a dwarfed version of Santa



http://www.gamespot....ary;read-review

[Tiax Rules All]

Talon_Wu wrote...

snip... DA2 will NOT be 7 GB unpacked. It. Is. A. Typo.

Mistakes happen. Mistakes like, I don't know, uploading LOTSB as a package of zeroes.

I'll take that bet

[Brockololly]

Ryzaki wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
Either its a typo or DA2 is going to be Jade Empire in length.

How long has JE by the way?

For me around ~15 - 20 hours.

Note: No player VO a lot of repeated VO (Tho Fan) and really linear.

Though they were up until DAO my favorite BW companions. (Sky and Silk Fox in particular)

Yeah, as I recall, Jade Empire took me about 20 hours or slightly less to complete. While I enjoyed the game, I distinctly remember thinking "Thats it?"

[upsettingshorts]

SDNcN wrote...

I'm going wait until after the eventual dev comment to worry.

I don't think we'll get one.  Except if it was a typo.  But I expect that'd have been fixed by now.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 décembre 2010 - 06:12 .

[Zodav]

The install size is a poor judge of the length of a game. It could just be that things are more compressed and perhaps, in the case of the textures, why DirectX 11 is recommended as it allows compute shaders to do on the fly texture decompression and offers support for greater compression ratios for textures (Civilization V uses this @ ~4.5GB installed size). 

Also, this could possibly explain why a dual core processor is the minimum spec, as opposed to a single core with Origins/Awakening, so those without DirectX11 cards can do the compute shader functionality on the 2nd core.  There are other tricks the devs could have used also to get that install size also.

So the game could still be 40+ hours long and still only require 7GB of hard drive space

Modifié par Zodav, 16 décembre 2010 - 06:15 .

[Sharn01]

Zjarcal wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
Either its a typo or DA2 is going to be Jade Empire in length.

How long has JE by the way?

Its possible for it to be close to 20 on the first plathrough if you really take your time, this is coming from someone who spent a little over 100 hours on my first Dragon Age playthrough.  If its not a typo it will probably be shorter then that, JE would most likely have had much less space dedicated to sound and areas. 

[Lenimph]

Zodav wrote...

The install size is a poor judge of the length of a game. It could just be that things are more compressed and perhaps, in the case of the textures, why DirectX 11 is recommended as it allows compute shaders to do on the fly texture decompression and offers support for greater compression ratios for textures (Civilization V uses this @ ~4.5GB installed size). 

Also, this could possibly explain why a dual core processor is the minimum spec, as opposed to a single core with Origins/Awakening, so those without DirectX11 cards can do the compute shader functionality on the 2nd core.  There are other tricks the devs could have used also to get that install size also.

So the game could still be 40+ hours long and still only require 7GB of hard drive space

He speaks the truth there is hope! 

[Talon_Wu]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Talon_Wu wrote...

snip... DA2 will NOT be 7 GB unpacked. It. Is. A. Typo.

Mistakes happen. Mistakes like, I don't know, uploading LOTSB as a package of zeroes.

I'll take that bet

You're on.

If, however, it ends up I'm wrong, I'll be happy to help storm BioWare's fortress. Or bitterly mock them. Whichever works.
I really can't see it unpacking to less than half of ME2's size, though.

[Brockololly]

Zodav wrote...

The install size is a poor judge of the length of a game. It could just be that things are more compressed and perhaps, in the case of the textures, why DirectX 11 is recommended as it allows compute shaders to do on the fly texture decompression and offers support for greater compression ratios for textures (Civilization V uses this @ ~4.5GB installed size). 

Also, this could possibly explain why a dual core processor is the minimum spec, as opposed to a single core with Origins/Awakening, so those without DirectX11 cards can do the the compute shader functionality on the 2nd core.  There are other tricks the devs could have used also to get that install size also.

So the game could still be 40+ hours long and still only require 7GB of hard drive space

Good point on the compute shaders I guess. But still, comparing Civ V to DA, isn't exactly 1:1, even if they both use DX11, is it?

Even if DX11 is helping with the compute shaders or its better optimized with multiple cores, does that really make up the disparity between 20 GB for Origins and only 7GB in DA2- even factoring in that it'll be a shorter game? I don't know, but that seems like a stretch maybe.

[slimgrin]

I have a hard time believing they would whittle DA's 50-60 hr journey down to 20-25 hrs. They know better than that.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 décembre 2010 - 06:26 .