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[RiouHotaru]

I don't plan on using the Claymore because I have some trouble getting the reload trick down, and I don't like having to abuse frames just to get a DPS advantage.  So I'm sort of stuck.  The Evis has a lower clip and magazine size, but much better damage bonuses against defense and a tighter spread, but the Scimitar has crazy RoF by comparison.

[Miss Yuna of Atlanta]

I don't play Vanguard, but on my Soldier, my shotgun of choice is always the Eviscerator due to its superior range. That said, that is the main draw of the weapon, and I don't know how much use more range will be on a class that looks up its enemies' noses ninety percent of the time.

Modifié par Miss Yuna of Atlanta, 16 décembre 2010 - 10:19 .

[Kronner]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Claymore! For Massive Damage and the fun.
But if you positively don't plan on using it, I'd take the Eviscerator due to it getting the nearest in Damage output AND giving you a little range advantage.

Seconded

Though I am unable to use any shotgun that does not 1S1K anymore.

[AntiChri5]

I say Eviscerator.

It does plenty of damage, and it's rof and clip size is more then good enough for me.

Here is my Favourite Shotgun Poll

The Eviscerator has 34 votes and the Scimitar has 14

[AntiChri5]

Although, really, nobody elses opinion matters.

The Shotguns are beautifully balanced, there is no "right" choice and all we can do is tell you what we personally prefer.

The only true way to decide is to give them both a lot of use, and see which you prefer.

[ryoldschool]

What AntiChri5 said is true. If you want to use ScroguBlitzen's strategy for freezing then either the Evi or Scimitar will work fine. Here is a thread where he posted videos http://social.biowar...1/index/5017600



I think they are about even - most recently I'm doing a "high weapon damage build" and I ran the collector ship trap with both guns and they are about even - you can do the same things with both guns. That said, I hate waiting for the next shot to fire, so I'm currently using the Scimitar.



To Kronner and other PC players - Claymore on Xbox is not so great, but that was discussed a bunch of times already.

[Sailears]

As the others have said, it depends how you like to play.

Evi - clean but slow, not a nice feeling if you miss. Longer range.
Scimitar - good for staggering, missing isn't as costly, but to me the combat feels messy, and you need to be closer to the target.

[lazuli]

I'd go with the Scimitar, especially if you're playing on the xbox. That said, the shotguns are well balanced. Try them out and use what you like.

[ScroguBlitzen]

 I'm convinced that the Scimitar is the most powerful shotgun in the game, Claymore included.  By "powerful" I mean the maximum rate of killing when played near optimally.  For evidence of this I submit Sabresandiegos suicide speed run:

Sabresandiego Suicide Mission Valve Speed Run

No other shotgun can approach this speed of killing.  In theory, others can kill quickly, but without the 8 shots per clip and potential staggers they can cause and inferno procs, you will have to take more cover which will hurt your killing speed.

Is it messy?  Yes.  Messy and beautiful.  I love it.  I don't want clean kills on my Vanguard, I want messy, pure adrenaline chaos.  I save clean kills for my Widow Infiltrator.

That said, the Scimitar is only the most powerful at optimal levels of play, and it's not necessarily the most fun.  Many people love the feeling of a one shot one kill.  The Claymore and Eviscerator can do that much better.

Modifié par ScroguBlitzen, 16 décembre 2010 - 03:11 .

[Kronner]

ScroguBlitzen wrote...

 I'm convinced that the Scimitar is the most powerful shotgun in the game, Claymore included.  By "powerful" I mean the maximum rate of killing when played near optimally.  For evidence of this I submit Sabresandiegos suicide speed run:

Sabresandiego Suicide Mission Valve Speed Run

No other shotgun can approach this speed of killing.  In theory, others can kill quickly, but without the 8 shots per clip and potential staggers they can cause and inferno procs, you will have to take more cover which will hurt your killing speed.

Is it messy?  Yes.  Messy and beautiful.  I love it.  I don't want clean kills on my Vanguard, I want messy, pure adrenaline chaos.  I save clean kills for my Widow Infiltrator.

That said, the Scimitar is only the most powerful at optimal levels of play, and it's not necessarily the most fun.  Many people love the feeling of a one shot one kill.  The Claymore and Eviscerator can do that much better.

I did it 18 seconds faster, in 2:25, while playing it as a part of the whole mission, not a speedrun. I am positive it can be done at least 15 seconds faster, if someone wanted to perfect that run.


Scimitar is just not my thing, way too little damage per shot for me to enjoy it. But it is very effective weapon and the most forgiving, I do know that.
Also, I'd argue Claymore and optimal play kills faster than Scimitar, Eviscerator should be faster as well. But in the end, who cares about speedruns, luck is also a factor. Fun is no.1 for me and no shotgun comes close to the Claymore, regardless of stats etc.

Modifié par Kronner, 16 décembre 2010 - 03:34 .

[ScroguBlitzen]

Impressive run. Times are probably closer than I suspected.

[AntiChri5]

I agree that speedruns mean nothing.

They don't represent what is "best" and, frankly, what is "best" can go **** itself.

The whole point of the game is to have fun. You forked out good money for it. So do what you like.

I found the Claymore completely "meh".

Kronner did not.

Kronner is not me.

The Eviscerator just clicked with me, the way i assume the Claymore did for Kron up there.

Nothing matches finding "your" weapon.

It is a private, personal journey.

Like a religious experience.

[Kronner]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I agree that speedruns mean nothing.
They don't represent what is "best" and, frankly, what is "best" can go **** itself.
The whole point of the game is to have fun. You forked out good money for it. So do what you like.
I found the Claymore completely "meh".
Kronner did not.
Kronner is not me.
The Eviscerator just clicked with me, the way i assume the Claymore did for Kron up there.
Nothing matches finding "your" weapon.
It is a private, personal journey.
Like a religious experience.

Amen.
Everyone has the one. e.g. Zaeed has his Jessie, the ****ty old rifle

Modifié par Kronner, 16 décembre 2010 - 04:03 .

[TexasToast712]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I don't plan on using the Claymore because I have some trouble getting the reload trick down, and I don't like having to abuse frames just to get a DPS advantage.  So I'm sort of stuck.  The Evis has a lower clip and magazine size, but much better damage bonuses against defense and a tighter spread, but the Scimitar has crazy RoF by comparison.

Neither, Geth Plasma Shotgun. And take AR training and use the Mattock.

[TexasToast712]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

I don't plan on using the Claymore because I have some trouble getting the reload trick down, and I don't like having to abuse frames just to get a DPS advantage.  So I'm sort of stuck.  The Evis has a lower clip and magazine size, but much better damage bonuses against defense and a tighter spread, but the Scimitar has crazy RoF by comparison.

Neither, Geth Plasma Shotgun. And take AR training and use the Mattock.

Interestingly, every Range Multiplier info on the MassEffect.Wikia vanished to our malcontent. Otherwise I'd have looked up the Short Range Multiplier for the Mattock. If it were about x1.5, Mattock plus GPS would kill things by being merely in the same room with the enemies I think!

That is why I build my Vanguards around those 2 weapons. You pretty much become a ass kicking dispenser.

[Kronner]

You become ass kicking dispenser by getting good at the game, regardless of your weapon choice. You can kick ass with Katana too.

[AntiChri5]

Nothing replaces skill.

[Praetor Knight]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Nothing replaces skill.

Infinite Ammo for the M920-Cain!?

Get Fortack on it

[AntiChri5]

Good luck in close quarters combat.

[Praetor Knight]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Good luck in close quarters combat.

Elbows?