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[AntiChri5]

ME 1 set the standard. ME 2 failed to meet it dismally.

ME 3 needs to put on the big boy pants and step up.

[Mister Mida]

I have to say that compared to ME (1)'s romance/sex scene's, ME2's felt a little cheap IMO. LotSB was a step up, though.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 16 décembre 2010 - 07:16 .

[MrDizazta]

I support moar side bewb

[mellors]

Honestly I think the sex scenes is the thing I care the least about. Let's just make sure the gameplay and story is as good as ME2 and even better before we start worrying about 10 second scenes that aren't really important in the grand scheme of things.

I mean sure it's rather weird having them clothed but it's not any stranger than the film cliche - "we just had sex but now I'm going to cover my modesty with a bed sheet."

Modifié par mellors, 16 décembre 2010 - 07:15 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

I say make them good like ME1 and not embarrassing to watch like ME2, or leave them out.



I'd prefer the former. The ME2 love scenes felt like Saturday morning cartoons as far as the maturity levels in my opinion.

[Deturis90]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I prefer dialogue with emotional and romantic depth, and believeable and intimate interaction between the two characters, over more physical displays of affection.

It's why I love the LotSB romance scene between Shepard and Liara so much. The dialogue and interaction between the pair of them is so sweet, tender, emotional and touching. I'd take that over nudity every single time.

This.
"I like it"

[mereck7980]

I would say that one of the best LI sequences was Liara's in the LotSB DLC. It had a fairly long period where Shep interacted with Liara and it really showed that there was a real emotional dynamic there. Plus, even if you were romancing someone else, the scene displayed the friendship between the two characters. I think the whole, nudity/no nudity thing is really pretty pointless. One of the pillars of this game is the interaction between Shep and his/her crewmates. As long as the LI scenes in ME3 focus on that I will be happy.

Modifié par mereck7980, 16 décembre 2010 - 07:26 .

[transcendent12]

Just for the love of god no under wear shots. Implicitly naked under sheets good, clever camera angles fine, clothed platonic romance fine. Just no underwear.

[mereck7980]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I prefer dialogue with emotional and romantic depth, and believeable and intimate interaction between the two characters, over more physical displays of affection.

It's why I love the LotSB romance scene between Shepard and Liara so much. The dialogue and interaction between the pair of them is so sweet, tender, emotional and touching. I'd take that over nudity every single time.

Darn, you beat me to it.  The LI scene from LotSB was the best of the series to me.  It was much deeper on an emotional level than the ME 1 sequence. 

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I prefer dialogue with emotional and romantic depth, and believeable and intimate interaction between the two characters, over more physical displays of affection.

It's why I love the LotSB romance scene between Shepard and Liara so much. The dialogue and interaction between the pair of them is so sweet, tender, emotional and touching. I'd take that over nudity every single time.

Yes, this x10!

Seriously, when they try to do too much with the sex scene it always ends up bad...just bad.  If you played Dragon Age: Origins, you know what I mean.  Here was my face during my first DA:O romance scene.

*emotional dialog* 

*sex scene starts* 

*sec scene continues* 

*sex scene ends* 


Leave sex out of the game and up to the imagination of the players.

[IndigoWolfe]

Does one absolutely need sex to convey love and romance? It seems to me that if the writing be satisfactory, sex is unneeded.

One of the biggest issues I have with the romances in Mass Effect 2 is the often unshakable feeling that it's really just a drawn out foreplay to a sexual encounter instead of something meaningful. Take the Dragon Age romances, now they aren't perfect, but I felt they were more focused on the actual relationship between the PC and the character, instead of a leadup to sex.

In ME1, the shared endpoint with a love scene before Ilos was understandable and felt like it belonged. You might think that it would be the same with ME2, but I felt it was not. When you have the romances progress with little to no variation between each other or the ones in ME1, it felt rather flat. This was accentuated by the fact that there are so many of them in ME2.

As someone who prefers the overarching romances, I for one really really hope that the final scene for the ME1 LI romances is a romance scene, not a sex scene.

Take Lair Of The Shadow Broker, those were romance scenes. There were conflicts between two characters who cared about each other, a resolution, and a continuation of the romance, not their simply sexual relationship. Yes, inviting Liara up to your cabin as you're romancing her results in intimacy, but that was not the point of the meeting. The sexual intimacy was something that happened, not something that was done, if that makes sense.

By now, I feel the physical aspects of the romance between Shepard and Liara have been established, we've seen it. I for one would prefer the focus to remain on relationship aspects through ME3. Another simple buildup to another sex scene would be uninteresting and wouldn't make sense.

If Shepard and Liara are sexually intimate again in Mass Effect 3, I would prefer it not be as the culmination. Were I the one in charge, it would be something as simple as a dialogue scene were they're sharing a bed, I think that would strike a nice balance between the established physical relationship and the ongoing relationship between their respective characters. 

I'm not against sexual intimacy in games, but it seems that Shepard runs on a one-shag-per-galaxy-saving schedule.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 16 décembre 2010 - 07:36 .

[MerinTB]

jlb524 wrote...
Leave sex blood out of the game and up to the imagination of the players.

Fixed that one there.

[Babli]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
I don't know if I'm making any sense here, but basically the ME2 scenes were different and yet well done in their own right

"but the priiiize"
"lets make it in the engine room instead my big bed in my office"
"lets make it fully clothed"

At least Garrus, Tali and Thane had some good scenes. But humans sucks.

[Ryzaki]

Really though there's nothing wrong with a little skin folks. We're not asking for money shots.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Just do them like in ME1. Nothing more, nothing less. Sideboob for ME3.

[TrueShaitan]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Does one absolutely need sex to convey love and romance? It seems to me that if the writing be satisfactory, sex is unneeded.

One of the biggest issues I have with the romances in Mass Effect 2 is the often unshakable feeling that it's really just a drawn out foreplay to a sexual encounter instead of something meaningful. Take the Dragon Age romances, now they aren't perfect, but I felt they were more focused on the actual relationship between the PC and the character, instead of a leadup to sex.

In ME1, the shared endpoint with a love scene before Ilos was understandable and felt like it belonged. You might think that it would be the same with ME2, but I felt it was not. When you have the romances progress with little to no variation between each other or the ones in ME1, it felt rather flat. This was accentuated by the fact that there are so many of them in ME2.

As someone who prefers the overarching romances, I for one really really hope that the final scene for the ME1 LI romances is a romance scene, not a sex scene.

Take Lair Of The Shadow Broker, those were romance scenes. There were conflicts between two characters who cared about each other, a resolution, and a continuation of the romance, not their simply sexual relationship. Yes, inviting Liara up to your cabin as you're romancing her results in intimacy, but that was not the point of the meeting. The sexual intimacy was something that happened, not something that was done, if that makes sense.

By now, I feel the physical aspects of the romance between Shepard and Liara have been established, we've seen it. I for one would prefer the focus to remain on relationship aspects through ME3. Another simple buildup to another sex scene would be uninteresting and wouldn't make sense.

If Shepard and Liara are sexually intimate again in Mass Effect 3, I would prefer it not be as the culmination. Were I the one in charge, it would be something as simple as a dialogue scene were they're sharing a bed, I think that would strike a nice balance between the established physical relationship and the ongoing relationship between their respective characters. 

I'm not against sexual intimacy in games, but it seems that Shepard runs on a one-shag-per-galaxy-saving schedule.

Quoted for truth

[Bourne Endeavor]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I prefer dialogue with emotional and romantic depth, and believeable and intimate interaction between the two characters, over more physical displays of affection.

It's why I love the LotSB romance scene between Shepard and Liara so much. The dialogue and interaction between the pair of them is so sweet, tender, emotional and touching. I'd take that over nudity every single time.

I agree with this, however the scenes exist. So my argument is, either render them in similarity to LotSB, remove them completely or do it right. Some admittedly were done particularly well, specifically the awkward reactions of Garrus and the shyness of Tali. In these respective romances, sex was not the focal point. The aforementioned traits were and other character overcoming these apprehensions to display genuine intimacy. Rolling around fully dressed when the entire focus was sex (Miranda, Jack) came across as poorly executed dry humping. Suffice it to say I found the scenes in Mass Effect more compelling, not for the nudity, but for the emotion depicted during the scene moments prior to the conclusion. Perhaps ME2 lost this level of intimacy due to the aforementioned scene being removed. Granted, Miranda's scene may just not be as cracked up as it was intended to be.

In any event, I found ME's tasteful and mature, whereas ME2's were mostly comical. It did not help the dialogue spoken was well... "heavy risk, but the priiiiize"

Seriously, Bioware. How about we not do that again.

Personally, and I have posted this elsewhere. I would fancy Bioware to not have any new romance subplots in Mass Effect 3 and develop the existing ones beyond the one night stand, whether this be based upon conflict due to your promiscuous ways or furthering a meaningful relationship. I do not care as both would be fantastic.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 16 décembre 2010 - 07:47 .

[MerinTB]

There's no need for nudity nor sex in games...

just like there's no need for points, platforming, FP POV, customizable characters, guns, blood, fights, extra lives, voiced characters, spaceships, story, a party of recruitable characters, an inventory, loot, money, humans, aliens, planets...



there's no "need" for any one aspect of story or game mechanic or whatever.



So really saying "there's no need for a sex scene" or whatever is a specious argument.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Babli wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
I don't know if I'm making any sense here, but basically the ME2 scenes were different and yet well done in their own right

"but the priiiize"
"lets make it in the engine room instead my big bed in my office"
"lets make it fully clothed"

At least Garrus, Tali and Thane had some good scenes. But humans sucks.

Yup. Jack's was nice, too.

[shinobi602]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I prefer dialogue with emotional and romantic depth, and believeable and intimate interaction between the two characters, over more physical displays of affection.

I prefer all that, WITH physical displays of affection. I'm not understanding why can we not have both? That at least gives it a concrete side on top of the abstract. A love scene conveys that intimacy even more. Hell no would I JUST want a scene, that dialogue and emotional depth is more important.

But intertwining them together makes it more real, tangible and conveys and even stronger bond. Yes, we can "use our imagination", but that only gives you a mental picture. When we're hungry, we don't imagine in our mind that we eat, and suddenly we're full, you have to physically eat. If you're tired, you don't imagine or picture yourself sleeping, you have to rest.

I think it just makes the romance even deeper. The emotional dialogue and interaction between the characters takes top precedence, but also conveying that sexual bond ties it all together as well in a physical knot.

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

Really though there's nothing wrong with a little skin folks. We're not asking for money shots.

No, there isn't.

What I don't like is when they seem to tack it on just because and it comes off looking awful.  I would rather them spend time dev'ing more dialog or more non-sexual romantic and intimtate encounters (like embracing or cuddling or what not) that don't usually turn out looking as bad then to waste time on a sex scene in which I'm rolling on the ground laughing at the entire time b/c it's so terrible.

[Bourne Endeavor]

shinobi602 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I prefer dialogue with emotional and romantic depth, and believeable and intimate interaction between the two characters, over more physical displays of affection.

I prefer all that, WITH physical displays of affection. I'm not understanding why can we not have both? That at least gives it a concrete side on top of the abstract. A love scene conveys that intimacy even more. Hell no would I JUST want a scene, that dialogue and emotional depth is more important.

But intertwining them together makes it more real, tangible and conveys and even stronger bond. Yes, we can "use our imagination", but that only gives you a mental picture. When we're hungry, we don't imagine in our mind that we eat, and suddenly we're full, you have to physically eat. If you're tired, you don't imagine or picture yourself sleeping, you have to rest.

I think it just makes the romance even deeper. The emotional dialogue and interaction between the characters takes top precedence, but also conveying that sexual bond ties it all together as well in a physical knot.

See, now this I find an excellent post. I may be more compromising but if asked my preference, I could not agree further with Shinobi.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Cuddle? Shepard does not cuddle! He would be so offended by the notion he would kill a vorcha for no reason.