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[schneeland]

transcendent12 wrote...

Just for the love of god no under wear shots. Implicitly naked under sheets good, clever camera angles fine, clothed platonic romance fine. Just no underwear.

Exactly. It could be done and I believe, it has been done for a lot of Hollywood movies. While I don't mind sex scenes, I think they are not essential for Mass Effect (while romancing, as such, kind of is essential).

[nelly21]

Just bring back the ME 1 scenes and EVERYONE will be happy.



Problem solved.

[XX55XX]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I prefer dialogue with emotional and romantic depth, and believeable and intimate interaction between the two characters, over more physical displays of affection.

It's why I love the LotSB romance scene between Shepard and Liara so much. The dialogue and interaction between the pair of them is so sweet, tender, emotional and touching. I'd take that over nudity every single time.

We need that, too. But the sex scene in LotSB was also disappointing in that everything faded to black before they even got their clothes off!

But, a post-sex conversation scene from the original ME would be nice if they could do something similar for ME3...

[ScotOfClanDonald]

nelly21 wrote...

Just bring back the ME 1 scenes and EVERYONE will be happy.

Problem solved.

Be happy with recycled love scenes from two games ago? ... er, not really.

Modifié par ScotOfClanDonald, 16 décembre 2010 - 08:00 .

[Aidoru Kami]

I thought they were always pretty terrible, though ME2's really are TERRIBLE.

[Inquisitor Recon]

ScotOfClanDonald wrote...
Be happy with recycled love scenes from two games ago? ... er, not really.

I think he means they should do them the same way for ME1, not the same exact scenes. And if your not happy with that, what gives?

[aeetos21]

Evelinessa wrote...

I like the ME2 scenes because they were all different. The ME1 scenes were basically all the same thing except Liara gets an extended scene. I enjoyed the variety of the ME2 scenes(I only saw one so far but because of spoilers I basically know what happens in all of them anyways). So I guess in ME3 if they can make the scenes all unique to the characters like in ME2 but show some nudity like ME1 then that might be the best solution?

QFT, this is pretty much the byline everyone should be thinking about. While I was doing LotSB today and seeing all the excellent interactions between Shepard and Liara I'm sitting here thinking... "Okay, so Avatar and Disney movies gets a pass to be nominated for Oscars or whatever. But a 30 hours plus action game with hours of cinematic cutscenes doesn't qualify? Then it gets trash talked by Fox News for showing some skin in ME1 (in retrospect why is anyone surprised by that?) when in reality when you break it down if it was a movie it would be rated R.

I'm not agreeing that ME3 should go all out and show us T+A but let things go naturally like you see in a tasteful R-rated film. If the sex scene between Shepard and Miranda makes sense to show some skin - great! If it works better with the tone that they don't, that's great too. Just have the scene fit the tone of the story between the two characters. Like with Jack, you can screw her after only a few short discussions and it won't be anything more than just sex. Later on if you two do elope it becomes something a lot more intimate.

This is ME3, the end of Shepard's story. I imagine on the whole most ME players are looking for closure with their LI so the love scene will be something more intimate - or maybe a bit more "hey it's our last night alive, let's enjoy it" if Shepard ends up in a fairly new relationship with a new LI.

Tasteful, that's the key term.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Completely agree with OP.

[PrinceLionheart]

nelly21 wrote...

Just bring back the ME 1 scenes and EVERYONE will be happy.

Fox News won't.

[Inquisitor Recon]

It wasn't Fox News it was some idiot commentator on Fox News trying to sell a book. Can we all get over that and support sideboob for ME3?

[Aidoru Kami]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...
I prefer all that, WITH physical displays of affection. I'm not understanding why can we not have both? That at least gives it a concrete side on top of the abstract. A love scene conveys that intimacy even more. Hell no would I JUST want a scene, that dialogue and emotional depth is more important.

But intertwining them together makes it more real, tangible and conveys and even stronger bond. Yes, we can "use our imagination", but that only gives you a mental picture. When we're hungry, we don't imagine in our mind that we eat, and suddenly we're full, you have to physically eat. If you're tired, you don't imagine or picture yourself sleeping, you have to rest.

I think it just makes the romance even deeper. The emotional dialogue and interaction between the characters takes top precedence, but also conveying that sexual bond ties it all together as well in a physical knot.

Of course, and I never suggested otherwise. I'm merely stating that intimate, emotional and romantic dialogue and interaction is preferable to more physical displays of affection. If the writers and cutscene directors are able to combine this together, I'd be ecstatic. In an ideal world, every single love scene would strike this perfect balance.

However, this is not always going to be possible. Considering the artistic direction of most of the ME2 romances, I actually consider it unlikely. As a result, if I was given a choice between physical and sexual intimacy accompanied by poorly-written dialogue, and a well-written scene depicting two characters engaged in touching and moving romantic interaction with little to no nudity, I'd choose the latter every single time.

This is the reason as to why I prefer Liara's LotSB romance scene over that of ME1. The tasteful and sensual physical interaction between Shepard and Liara is nice, but the dialogue in LotSB is far superior. For that reason, I prefer the LotSB romance scene.

As I said, it would be ideal if they were to strike a balance between the physical and emotional sides of a relationship, but this will not always be possible. Given this, I think the dialogue takes precedence.

This. Absolutely this.

They could take the sex scenes out entirely as far as I'm concerned. Look, I've always felt that something was missing from Mass Effect. I felt like there was something there with the characters, but I just didn't get the feeling that I did with KotOR.

*Spoilers for KotOR, just a heads up. And go play it now if you haven't, it's like 10 bucks on Steam*

Clarification: This is how I felt about it.

I felt something with Bastila over the course of KotOR. A truly bonding relationship. By the end of the game, you could tell that Revan and Bastila loved each other. (On the basis of a male playthrough, anyway) Over the many conversations you had with her, you really grew to know and care for the character over the course of the adventure you had been on with her. And what did you get? A kiss. Just a kiss. And it wasn't even on-screen. And I was perfectly happy with that.

I think that with the technology that BioWare is using nowadays, it's no problem to include sex scenes. In fact, it makes it feel more real and more intimate. But if you're going to do it, then do it right. Dialogue... conversations... knowing and caring for the characters. That's what comes first. I think Lair of the Shadow Broker was the best piece of Mass Effect ANYTHING I've ever played. And that goes for best written, best story, best characters, best gameplay... BioWare really nailed it with it, and I felt something intimate with Liara by the end of it.

Modifié par Aidoru Kami, 16 décembre 2010 - 08:18 .

[shumworld]

mereck7980 wrote...

I would say that one of the best LI sequences was Liara's in the LotSB DLC. It had a fairly long period where Shep interacted with Liara and it really showed that there was a real emotional dynamic there. Plus, even if you were romancing someone else, the scene displayed the friendship between the two characters. I think the whole, nudity/no nudity thing is really pretty pointless. One of the pillars of this game is the interaction between Shep and his/her crewmates. As long as the LI scenes in ME3 focus on that I will be happy.

good point.

Though to be honest as for someone who rather keep the Quarians aperance a mystery, I'd accept something like ME2 in where we don't see what they look like since the cammera is away from her face and stuff.

Modifié par shumworld, 16 décembre 2010 - 08:17 .

[jlb524]

I found the LotSB Liara romance scene to be absolutely wonderful. I think, given the circumstances, it was best that they focus more on the emotional aspect of the relationship than the physical one. Good romance scenes do not have to include anything sexual, but I think they must show the viewer that the two people do deeply care for one another.



The dialog and emotions make the romance scene. The sex would be a nice addition, but not needed, and if it's going to look awful anyway, just leave it out and focus more on the dialog.

[Knottedredloc]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please let's not turn this into a "which is worse, violence or sex?" debate. Thank you.

Yeah because EA/Bioware has already settled that debate.   You're welcome.

[_- Songlian -]

aeetos21 wrote...

Tasteful, that's the key term.

Amen. 

There were no "sex scenes" for females romancing Thane or Garrus in ME2 as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying we should get explicit content, but still. 

[nelly21]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Just bring back the ME 1 scenes and EVERYONE will be happy.

Fox News won't.

LOL.

Despite Fox being my channel of choice, even I couldn't figure out a way to defend them. It was awful, awful journalism.

But they learned their lesson and so did everyone else. Their deal was that there were sex scenes in a rated T game. Which was funny because the rating hadn't come out yet and ultimately, it was rated M.

That being said, lots of games have come out with full blown nudity (like that PS3 game I forgot the name of) and we haven't heard a peep.

ME 1 scenes were tasteful, and I believe they should be brought back for ME 3. Well, not the original ones, I mean new ones based on that level of sophistication.

HEAVY RAIN, there we go, Heavy Rain. I would of gone nuts trying to remember.

[Bourne Endeavor]

nelly21 wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Just bring back the ME 1 scenes and EVERYONE will be happy.

Fox News won't.

LOL.

Despite Fox being my channel of choice, even I couldn't figure out a way to defend them. It was awful, awful journalism.

But they learned their lesson and so did everyone else. Their deal was that there were sex scenes in a rated T game. Which was funny because the rating hadn't come out yet and ultimately, it was rated M.

That being said, lots of games have come out with full blown nudity (like that PS3 game I forgot the name of) and we haven't heard a peep.

ME 1 scenes were tasteful, and I believe they should be brought back for ME 3. Well, not the original ones, I mean new ones based on that level of sophistication.

HEAVY RAIN, there we go, Heavy Rain. I would of gone nuts trying to remember.

Actually, they already knew the rating. What their hilarious error was had been on believing the game allowed interactive sex and worse. The person who had been criticizing the game had never even played it. When she was asked this bluntly, she giggled and answered "No," as if she was offended that she should have. The person questioning her - who knew little about games apparently, yet was their 'game expert' - continued on that you have to develop relationships and could play a female character.

The whole thing was a walking disaster and destroyed any remote creditability they had. It was essentially, "How to make yourself look like a complete moron on national television."

To add insult to injury, the woman they interviewed who started this idoicy had released a book early that month. Fans of Mass Effect proceeded to mercilessly flame and berate her novel often posting quotes such as "I don't need to read this book to know it sucks/is bad for my children" mocking her.

100 bucks that did more good than harm to Mass Effect's sales.

[Moondoggie]

God i love these threads XD



"MOAR HARDCORE SECKS IN ME3!!!!" I'm sure there are plenty of digital porn films out there to get your fill of hardcore digital sex. I'd rather they concentrate on making a really good game than how hot the sex is and how realistic.

[Evelinessa]

Like other people have said I would rather have very good emotional dialogue with an LI rather then a scene which was more sexually focused. I guess I would be fine with light touching but with really good dialogue like Liara's LotSB romance scene(which I just saw today). Also, I would rather that BioWare focused resources on continuing the romances rather then having too many new LIs in ME3.

Modifié par Evelinessa, 16 décembre 2010 - 08:43 .

[TheAwesomologist]

I wasn't necessarily upset with any of the romance scenes in ME2. Some were better than others, sure although I don't play a femshep so I can't speak to their quality.



For those praising LotSB scene with Liara, do remember that you got all your romance rolled up neatly in a 1-2hr mission, where as the others had to wait a full game to go anywhere.



The main thing I didn't like about the ME2 romances is that there's no dialog after the fact, beyond one simple line! Once you sleep with with whom ever you choose you can just invite them up for some awkward petting scenes. If you go talk to your "lover" they just end up giving you the "Are you sure you still want this?" talk. The only commentary you get after the dirty deed is done is from Kasumi.



I'm fine with tasteful romance. I'm fine with "side bewb". I'm an adult and I can take it. I don't care for gratuitous sex in video games, thats what porn sites are for. A solid love story, if thats what your character wishes to pursue, should just involve good story telling, I don't care if they fade to black when they kiss.



Now of course the question remains... Will we ever get to see Tali's face? (Don't answer that, it'll derail the thread) Otherwise it was still "totally worth it."

[shinobi602]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

The main thing I didn't like about the ME2 romances is that there's no dialog after the fact, beyond one simple line! Once you sleep with with whom ever you choose you can just invite them up for some awkward petting scenes. If you go talk to your "lover" they just end up giving you the "Are you sure you still want this?" talk. The only commentary you get after the dirty deed is done is from Kasumi.

Definitely agree with this part.

[aeetos21]

Evelinessa wrote...

Like other people have said I would rather have very good emotional dialogue with an LI rather then a scene which was more sexually focused. I guess I would be fine with light touching but with really good dialogue like Liara's LotSB romance scene(which I just saw today). Also, I would rather that BioWare focused resources on continuing the romances rather then having too many new LIs in ME3.

The thing I like most about that scene is that they talk about the big issue, Shepard's lifespan. There's a good chance he'll die fighting the reapers and a near hundred percent chance Liara will outlive him - provided she doesn't fall in battle.

The other scene that touched on this, that I know of, is when Miranda is trying to convince Shepard (and really herself) that now isn't the time to start something up. When she finally does admit she cares the first thing she says is she's terrified that Shepard won't come back alive. Given what Ashley and Kaidan said on Horizon I'm starting to think that's a reoccuring theme in the ME series.

[Amyntas]

The main thing I didn't like about the ME2 romances is that there's no dialog after the fact, beyond one simple line!

I should go.

[TheAwesomologist]

shinobi602 wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

The main thing I didn't like about the ME2 romances is that there's no dialog after the fact, beyond one simple line! Once you sleep with with whom ever you choose you can just invite them up for some awkward petting scenes. If you go talk to your "lover" they just end up giving you the "Are you sure you still want this?" talk. The only commentary you get after the dirty deed is done is from Kasumi.

Definitely agree with this part.

Just a quick follow up here:
I don't want some Japanese dating sim or anything, but some extra or different dialog options should open up. If nothing else the way they greet you should change. I can only imagine some of the funny pet names Garrus would come up with!