Actually the entire conversation does at least strongly imply that the circle cut and run. I will dissect this line by line:
* Loghain: You can stop scowling at me, madam.
* Wynne: Did I need your permission? I see.
* Loghain: Fine. I confess: It was entirely my idea that Uldred consort with demons. I had a dastardly scheme in which the utter destruction of Ferelden's best weapon would benefit me, personally. Are you satisfied now?
This first is a slap in the face of Wynne and richly deserved. It was Irving (and yes in part Wynne since she was Irving's trusted advisor for so long) that completely misread Uldred and had no idea he had a bloodmage shadow-circle under their very noses. Indeed Irving praises Uldred for ferretting out blood magic. Oh, the irony....
* Wynne: Do you think your deal with Uldred was where you earned my contempt? I was at Ostagar. I witnessed Cailan's murder.
* Loghain: Such loyalty.
* Wynne: What is that supposed to mean?
* Loghain: Did you try to save him, then? My apologies.
* Wynne: I was fortunate to escape with my life!
Again richly deserved. Had the circle NOT cut and run, then they could have done something (a barrage of "nightmare' would have been perfect!) to give the King's soldiers an escape route while confiusing the Darkspawn. Wynne clearly states that the mages were in no position to do this, which means they either fled or got taken out early. Given that we can account for three of the seven mages up to the time you light the tower (and that was early in the battle!) the circle almost had to have fled if they could not help the king.
* Loghain: So you didn't rush to your king's rescue? I see. Then both of us left the boy to die.
* Wynne: I was no general at the head of an army! I could never have reached him!
Again Logain is correctly calling out Wynne on her hypocrisy. Even a handful of mages has power equal to an army if properly applied by discplined battlemages as he explains below...but obviously the circle mages there were anything but.
* Loghain: And I had no magic that could break those darkspawn ranks. But perhaps you think I ought to have tried, regardless. No doubt, the lives of mere soldiers are cheap in the eyes of the Circle.
* Wynne: And what of all the soldiers who died with their king? Their lives were worth nothing to you.
* Loghain: You think so, do you? I knew their names, mage, and where they came from. I knew their families.
* Loghain: I do not know how you mages determine the value of things, but they were my men. I know exactly how much I lost that day.
Again a richly deserved slam on Wynne and it makes me think (one of many things) that Logain decided to pull out at nearly the last minute. Logain clearly wanted Cailen in the back ranks preferably with his troops. Furthermore some of Logain's own men try to help you retake the tower during Ostagar....and there is nothing to suggest that the Darkspawn even during a blight are able to send ambassadors and treat with Logain so he could 'treacherously" leave the tower open to the darkspawn. Darkspawn don't negotiate (pre Awakenings anyway). No, it's far more reasonable to assume that Logain did have a palace coup in mind, but wanted Cailen under control and/or under house arrest....not killed by darkspawn but Logain underestimated the darkspawn (as did everyone else).
When you talk with Logain after you recruit him, Logain while not a nice and fuzzy man does not strike me as one that doesn't value his soldiers.....but that value doesn't stop him from spending lives either for the greater good (an essential trait in a good leader). Wynne of course is clueless about all of that.
The point is that Logain clearly did not have magical support available even after only a few minutes (certainly less than a half hour) into the battle. That certainly does at least strongly imply that the circle mages cut and ran.
Perhaps they didn't "first of all", but I never said "first of all"...but they almost had to be one of the first, and we do know that darkspawn go after mages first of all during a blight.
Edit: On review of the thread, I did say first of all and now aknowledge they might not have been first but by the timeline had to have been one of the first.
-Polaris
Edit: No one has still explained to me how a female mage (and we know that the darkspawn particularly target women and mages both) that was injured managed hundreds of miles behind enemy lines in the midst of a darkspawn horde to not only escape but somehow tend to the wounded as well. (sarc) I guess these Darkspawn honored the Geneva Conventions (/sarc)
Modifié par IanPolaris, 17 décembre 2010 - 12:06 .
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