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[Habelo]

So i came with this brilliant idea. Shepard really never deid.
Which made some puzzlebits settle as i saw the idea flash infront of my eyes.

*Liara being so guilted with leaving you to cerberus.
*The pure scientific viewpoint. (if you can revive people like that then you have the technology to travel back in time, which, they dont).

So this is my idea on what really happened: shepard never really deid, he was just really badly damaged (this makes more sense for those of you who have read that comic where liara and the shadowbroker is involved) and cerberus only told him that he had been dead becuse of the fact that if they said to him that they had kidnapped his body and fixed him isntead of leaving the task up to the alliance shepard would feel no loyalty- maybe even illoyalty to their act.

But i dunno if this idea is flawless. Do anyone have some way to argue against this?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Works for me.

[MrDizazta]

Habelo wrote...

So i came with this brilliant idea. Shepard really never deid.
Which made some puzzlebits settle as i saw the idea flash infront of my eyes.

*Liara being so guilted with leaving you to cerberus.
*The pure scientific viewpoint. (if you can revive people like that then you have the technology to travel back in time, which, they dont).

So this is my idea on what really happened: shepard never really deid, he was just really badly damaged (this makes more sense for those of you who have read that comic where liara and the shadowbroker is involved) and cerberus only told him that he had been dead becuse of the fact that if they said to him that they had kidnapped his body and fixed him isntead of leaving the task up to the alliance shepard would feel no loyalty- maybe even illoyalty to their act.

But i dunno if this idea is flawless. Do anyone have some way to argue against this?

Dude he was only "mostly dead."  Last time I checked you can revive people who are only mostly dead.

[TelexFerra]

MrDizaztar wrote...

Habelo wrote...

So i came with this brilliant idea. Shepard really never deid.
Which made some puzzlebits settle as i saw the idea flash infront of my eyes.

*Liara being so guilted with leaving you to cerberus.
*The pure scientific viewpoint. (if you can revive people like that then you have the technology to travel back in time, which, they dont).

So this is my idea on what really happened: shepard never really deid, he was just really badly damaged (this makes more sense for those of you who have read that comic where liara and the shadowbroker is involved) and cerberus only told him that he had been dead becuse of the fact that if they said to him that they had kidnapped his body and fixed him isntead of leaving the task up to the alliance shepard would feel no loyalty- maybe even illoyalty to their act.

But i dunno if this idea is flawless. Do anyone have some way to argue against this?

Dude he was only "mostly dead."  Last time I checked you can revive people who are only mostly dead.

My name is John Shepard. You destroyed my ship. Prepare to die

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Shepard was dead as dead can be.



She went through atmosphere re-entry and lost her helmet... And there was plenty of cell/tissue decomposition from long-term exposure.



Would be nice if Shepard never died, but there is absolutely nothing in the game that suggests she was even a little bit alive. Quite the contrary, in fact.

[AlexXIV]

Habelo wrote...

So i came with this brilliant idea. Shepard really never deid.
Which made some puzzlebits settle as i saw the idea flash infront of my eyes.

*Liara being so guilted with leaving you to cerberus.
*The pure scientific viewpoint. (if you can revive people like that then you have the technology to travel back in time, which, they dont).

So this is my idea on what really happened: shepard never really deid, he was just really badly damaged (this makes more sense for those of you who have read that comic where liara and the shadowbroker is involved) and cerberus only told him that he had been dead becuse of the fact that if they said to him that they had kidnapped his body and fixed him isntead of leaving the task up to the alliance shepard would feel no loyalty- maybe even illoyalty to their act.

But i dunno if this idea is flawless. Do anyone have some way to argue against this?

Probably someone with a bit more knowledge of medicine than me. Idk how he could have survived in space without air. Or crushing on the planet surface if he lived long enough. Other than that I would also prefer he was never really died ... but ... well ...

Modifié par AlexXIV, 16 décembre 2010 - 08:27 .

[Habelo]

MrDizaztar wrote...

Habelo wrote...

So i came with this brilliant idea. Shepard really never deid.
Which made some puzzlebits settle as i saw the idea flash infront of my eyes.

*Liara being so guilted with leaving you to cerberus.
*The pure scientific viewpoint. (if you can revive people like that then you have the technology to travel back in time, which, they dont).

So this is my idea on what really happened: shepard never really deid, he was just really badly damaged (this makes more sense for those of you who have read that comic where liara and the shadowbroker is involved) and cerberus only told him that he had been dead becuse of the fact that if they said to him that they had kidnapped his body and fixed him isntead of leaving the task up to the alliance shepard would feel no loyalty- maybe even illoyalty to their act.

But i dunno if this idea is flawless. Do anyone have some way to argue against this?

Dude he was only "mostly dead."  Last time I checked you can revive people who are only mostly dead.

How are you "mostly dead"? Either your brain works or it doesnt mate

[Mars Nova]

Oh, not this again. Shepard was dead. D-E-A-D. Dead as a doornail. Get over it.

[Malanek]

*The pure scientific viewpoint. (if you can revive people like that then you have the technology to travel back in time, which, they dont).

I wouldn't include this little snippet as an argument in your theory.

[Zulu_DFA]

Clinical death =/= Grim Reaper

Legal death =/= Grim Reaper



Also, this.

[AlexXIV]

Habelo wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

Habelo wrote...

So i came with this brilliant idea. Shepard really never deid.
Which made some puzzlebits settle as i saw the idea flash infront of my eyes.

*Liara being so guilted with leaving you to cerberus.
*The pure scientific viewpoint. (if you can revive people like that then you have the technology to travel back in time, which, they dont).

So this is my idea on what really happened: shepard never really deid, he was just really badly damaged (this makes more sense for those of you who have read that comic where liara and the shadowbroker is involved) and cerberus only told him that he had been dead becuse of the fact that if they said to him that they had kidnapped his body and fixed him isntead of leaving the task up to the alliance shepard would feel no loyalty- maybe even illoyalty to their act.

But i dunno if this idea is flawless. Do anyone have some way to argue against this?

Dude he was only "mostly dead."  Last time I checked you can revive people who are only mostly dead.

How are you "mostly dead"? Either your brain works or it doesnt mate

Depends how fast they revive and stabilize him. But it would have to be a matter of minutes I guess. After a couple of hours you can revive noone.

[AlexMBrennan]

It's also possible for clinically dead people to make a full recovery.



Personally, I'd solve this problem by defining "death" as irreversible, permanent clinical death. Thus, by definition Shepard didn't die and there's no problem.

[Zulu_DFA]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Shepard was dead as dead can be.

She went through atmosphere re-entry and lost her helmet... And there was plenty of cell/tissue decomposition from long-term exposure.

Would be nice if Shepard never died, but there is absolutely nothing in the game that suggests she was even a little bit alive. Quite the contrary, in fact.

Except for the fact that Shepard is alive and is exactly as he were, save for a few upgrades.

[LorDC]

If Cerberus was only ones who were able/willing to fix you then what's the matter if Shepard was dead or "mostly dead" or badly damaged? And if not then why would Liara give your body to Cerberus?

[Habelo]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Shepard was dead as dead can be.

She went through atmosphere re-entry and lost her helmet... And there was plenty of cell/tissue decomposition from long-term exposure.

Would be nice if Shepard never died, but there is absolutely nothing in the game that suggests she was even a little bit alive. Quite the contrary, in fact.

He could have had something that saved his brain from any major dmg, we never really see him die. We only hear from it from Liara (who may be lying to you) or cerberus (who always lie about everything).

[AlexXIV]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Shepard was dead as dead can be.

She went through atmosphere re-entry and lost her helmet... And there was plenty of cell/tissue decomposition from long-term exposure.

Would be nice if Shepard never died, but there is absolutely nothing in the game that suggests she was even a little bit alive. Quite the contrary, in fact.

Except for the fact that Shepard is alive and is exactly as he were, save for a few upgrades.

Well in a story anything can happen on the whim of the writer. Doesn't make it believable though.

[MrDizazta]

Habelo wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

Habelo wrote...

So i came with this brilliant idea. Shepard really never deid.
Which made some puzzlebits settle as i saw the idea flash infront of my eyes.

*Liara being so guilted with leaving you to cerberus.
*The pure scientific viewpoint. (if you can revive people like that then you have the technology to travel back in time, which, they dont).

So this is my idea on what really happened: shepard never really deid, he was just really badly damaged (this makes more sense for those of you who have read that comic where liara and the shadowbroker is involved) and cerberus only told him that he had been dead becuse of the fact that if they said to him that they had kidnapped his body and fixed him isntead of leaving the task up to the alliance shepard would feel no loyalty- maybe even illoyalty to their act.

But i dunno if this idea is flawless. Do anyone have some way to argue against this?

Dude he was only "mostly dead."  Last time I checked you can revive people who are only mostly dead.

How are you "mostly dead"? Either your brain works or it doesnt mate

Obviously somebody hasn't seen Princess Bride.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Indeed, if Shepard wasn't alive in the slightest degree she wouldn't have bothered. I somehow doubt Cerberus goes around claiming they can bring back dead people.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Except for the fact that Shepard is alive and is exactly as he were, save for a few upgrades.

A version of Shepard is alive. There's nothing to reassure me that it's actually my Shepard and not a zombie-cyborg.

BioWare went with "expensive magic" so I'm forced to go by what's presented and that means my Shepard was and is dead. The PC inME2 is just a copy, a science experiment to which I have no attachment.
And I'd argue against her ebing resurrected "exactly as she was".  That's not backed up at all in the game, especially when Shepard can be hacked by an AI and have glowing red eyes.  That implies quite a few cybernetics, the former being cybernetics that directly affect brain function and body movement.

I don't know what Shepard is now, but she certainly isn't the character I played in ME1.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 16 décembre 2010 - 08:39 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

BioWare simply rebooted Shepard. Chances are it's going to happen again in ME3, except not by death.

[Inquisitor Recon]

That's Nonsense, Shepard is Shepard and that is the end of that. Such an idiotic plot twist would be downright wrong. Everything said by Liara, TIM, Jacob, and Miranda in the game points to Shepard being Shepard and not some clone or zombie or machine.

[Habelo]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Except for the fact that Shepard is alive and is exactly as he were, save for a few upgrades.

A version of Shepard is alive. There's nothing to reassure me that it's actually my Shepard and not a zombie-cyborg.

BioWare went with "expensive magic" so I'm forced to go by what's presented and that means my Shepard was and is dead. The PC inME2 is just a copy, a science experiment to which I have no attachment.
And I'd argue against her ebing resurrected "exactly as she was".  That's not backed up at all in the game, especially when Shepard can be hacked by an AI and have glowing red eyes.  That implies quite a few cybernetics, the former being cybernetics that directly affect brain function and body movement.

I don't know what Shepard is now, but she certainly isn't the character I played in ME1.

Well bioware maybe wants us to discover secrets like this ourselves. That is why some things dont make sense. Cause we believe solely in something just becuse some npc in the game tells us that.

[AlexXIV]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Except for the fact that Shepard is alive and is exactly as he were, save for a few upgrades.

A version of Shepard is alive. There's nothing to reassure me that it's actually my Shepard and not a zombie-cyborg.

BioWare went with "expensive magic" so I'm forced to go by what's presented and that means my Shepard was and is dead. The PC inME2 is just a copy, a science experiment to which I have no attachment.
And I'd argue against her ebing resurrected "exactly as she was".  That's not backed up at all in the game, especially when Shepard can be hacked by an AI and have glowing red eyes.  That implies quite a few cybernetics, the former being cybernetics that directly affect brain function and body movement.

I don't know what Shepard is now, but she certainly isn't the character I played in ME1.

The memories are the same. Simple proof: Doubt Cerberus could have known every detail to create a copy. I tend to 'forget' the fact that if you are realistic Shep would have memory leaks. It was just a tool to get Shep back to level one. Not very elegant one, but oh well.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 16 décembre 2010 - 08:47 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

ReconTeam wrote...

That's Nonsense, Shepard is Shepard and that is the end of that. Such an idiotic plot twist would be downright wrong. Everything said by Liara, TIM, Jacob, and Miranda in the game points to Shepard being Shepard and not some clone or zombie or machine.

So Shepard could always be hacked by an AI? How?
And , anyways, if you believe in empty words that's fine, but I don't.  Yes, Miranda "says" the Lazarus Project fails if Shepard is not revived exactly as she was. Yes, Jacob "says" that "you're still you, just with a few more pieces", but those are just empty words.
Especially when "my Shepard" is walking around being brain-hacked. And, again, she lost her helmet on planet re-entry; the implications are absurd. >_<

[Zulu_DFA]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

she lost her helmet on planet re-entry

How do you know that?

Who says it wasn't removed by the Blue Suns recovery team, before putting Shepard into that stasis pod and applying conservative treatment?