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[General User]

Turian Councilor: Ah yes. “Reapers.” The immortal race of sentient starships allegedly waiting in dark space. We have dismissed that claim.



Shepard: “I have not passed though fire and death to bandy words with a witless worm!”

[Pwner1323]

iakus wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...

Because bringing back dead people is totally rational. What happened to me thinking ME was realistic? Nevermind.

I sometimes think BW could have done better. The Force Unleashed 2 did this and it made no sense there, and neither does it here.

Killing people and bringing them back is very hard to do "right".

Very true, which is what makes me wonder why Bioware ran with the idea to begin with.  There are several other, more logical ways to isolate Shepard from his/her old life.

This better tie into something big they have planned.

I won't hold my breath.

I heard someone say tht Shepard's reconstruction should only be temporary and that he's dying in ME3. I kinda like it. Having a "pink 'n' roses" ending even if we win is bad. I know rebuilding galactic civilization is dark enough but it doesn't tie with Shepard in a personal sense.

Sad, I know, but it would make for a hell of an emotional ending, seeing Shepard's body in a casket with everyone who survived around him (and the rachni queen playing the organ).

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

(Shepard's funeral)

*Doors bang open and TIM runs in yelling*

TIM: We can rebuild him!!! Lazarus project 2.0!!!

*Everybody cheers*

Turian coucilor: I luv you Timmy!!!!!!

[Jagri]

Pwner1323 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...

Because bringing back dead people is totally rational. What happened to me thinking ME was realistic? Nevermind.

I sometimes think BW could have done better. The Force Unleashed 2 did this and it made no sense there, and neither does it here.

Killing people and bringing them back is very hard to do "right".

Very true, which is what makes me wonder why Bioware ran with the idea to begin with.  There are several other, more logical ways to isolate Shepard from his/her old life.

This better tie into something big they have planned.

I won't hold my breath.

I heard someone say tht Shepard's reconstruction should only be temporary and that he's dying in ME3. I kinda like it. Having a "pink 'n' roses" ending even if we win is bad. I know rebuilding galactic civilization is dark enough but it doesn't tie with Shepard in a personal sense.

Sad, I know, but it would make for a hell of an emotional ending, seeing Shepard's body in a casket with everyone who survived around him (and the rachni queen playing the organ).

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

(Shepard's funeral)

*Doors bang open and TIM runs in yelling*

TIM: We can rebuild him!!! Lazarus project 2.0!!!

*Everybody cheers*

Turian coucilor: I luv you Timmy!!!!!!

Nooo! Its been done before *Cries* 

[AntiChri5]

Shepard was killed.

Cerberus brought him back with their space magic.

Their Potent Space Magicks.

Does it make sense?

No.

Does that change it?

No.

Do we have to just deal with it?

Yes.

[Pwner1323]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Shepard was killed.

Cerberus brought him back with their space magic.

Their Potent Space Magicks.

Does it make sense?

No.

Does that change it?

No.

Do we have to just deal with it?

Yes.
NO

Fixed

Modifié par Pwner1323, 16 décembre 2010 - 09:46 .

[Soahfreako]

Cause when you're only mostly dead, your organs are completely dried out and dead. Makes perfect sense. Not.

[Sovereign z]

This reminds me of Schrodinger's cat. How can he both be alive and dead ? If so this is quite the paradox in the ME universe.

Modifié par Sovereign z, 16 décembre 2010 - 10:45 .

[AlexXIV]

As some already said, don't think about it so much. It happened, can't be changed.

[Destroy Raiden_]

It doesn’t matter how alive you where before reentry into a planet’s atmosphere even if it was the gravity of the moon you still go splat when the ride stops….that is if the shear scorching heat of reentry doesn’t get you first.

[Rip504]

I found out forgetting the begining of ME2 is the best trick. If only we could skip it...

[Sinapus]

Badpie wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Shepard was dead. Bioware said it, the characters in game said it, even at one point describing it as "meat and tubes."

SHEPARD WAS DEAD. End of discussion.

DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD.

How much dead is that?

MILES OF DEAD!!! 

Impossible. My imported Shepards started with the 100,000cr bonus because I earned the Rich achievement in ME1. If they'd been dead dead, someone would have looted that searching the pockets for loose change.



(Doing my part to keep the theme from The Princess Bride going on this thread...)

[TheNexus]

You see those closeups when they were operating on him?



His bloodstream was not "streaming". He was dead.

[netfire_]

Jacob said Shep died. "You were dead, dead as dead can be".

[JamieCOTC]

Shepard was dead, but here is how s/he really came back.

[Chuvvy]

MrDizaztar wrote...

Dude he was only "mostly dead."  Last time I checked you can revive people who are only mostly dead.

He was reffered to as "meat and tubes", he was in an explosion, he was in a ruptured hard suit in space, he hit the ground at terminal velocity (120mph), and he was trapped on a planet with subzero temperatures for who knows how long. The guy was dead as dead gets.

[BlackwindTheCommander]

Well I can say pretty confidently that Liara fan Shepards are in fact the real article.



In LotSB you can re-romance Liara. If you romanced Liara the first time, she'll know Shepard's mind and body better then anyone because Asari couplings are a deeper connection then merely flesh.



If you were to romance Liara and it wasn't the real article I believe Liara would be able to tell when they go at it again. Even if its an A.I. controlled Shepard meat puppet who 100% believes hes Shepard Liara would be able to tell.



Obviously he's had some "enhancements". We see them in the opening cutscene of Shepard being remade and also in his scars and eyes in a renegade. But I believe it is in fact Shepard.

[Sinapus]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Shepard was dead, but here is how s/he really came back.

Oh, I thought the entire audience was convinced to clap their hands.

[Pwner1323]

Why do poeple say he was "mostly dead"?

I just started my new game with my new soldier and it shows shepard's heart rotted and still. How is that "mostly dead"?

Modifié par Pwner1323, 17 décembre 2010 - 04:18 .

[CARL_DF90]

Why do people "mostly never" use spell check? Jeez.

[Pwner1323]

Why are you an ****?

[Praetor Knight]

Another Plausible theory that I posted in another thread:

The issue of Shepard's survival depends on the landing, how cold the planet is (-7 F), and how fast he freezes in that environment with a broken body and suit ruptures, then entering severe stage 3 hypothermia which can at least prolong the onset of brain death.

In the openning video: it shows the Normandy very close to the planet so it seems that Shepard was caught in the gravity well, which is why he enters freefall, which I think is important in successfully bringing Shep back.

In the modern military, paratroopers and other specialists do halo jumps from high orbit, which are high risk, high reward jumps, there are techniques used to keep the body going for the jump.

And Shep is N7 qualified, so the problem is how soon would he lose his oxygen reserves in freefall and if and when he blacks out, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALO_jump,

also the planet Alchera has a lower mass and gravity then Earth, so he would not freefall as fast as he would on earth.

I have a cousin who was a paratrooper and there were stories of guys falling without the parachute openning and surviving the fall or hitting so hard they died from the massive impact. The key was altitude and body control.

if the body is limber (and /or you are unconcious) you can roll / ragdoll into the impact, sustaining minor injuries (kinda like drunk drivers surviving car crashes), so it is possible to survive the freefall. but if you're too rigid / tense you can go from being 5'8" to 3'2" if you land feet first from the impact on earth.

Also, here is a section telling some stories of people without special training or equipment surviving freefall http://en.wikipedia....Surviving_falls. So we know that shepard's skeleton was mangled from the Lazarus video and loading screen, so he was either conscious or had a very rough landing.

lastly, as long as his brain is mostly intact after impact then the brain can recover, especially if through the standard genetic modification they would recieve in his century and / or medigel providing vitrification (which will prevent ice from destroying his brain tissues), his memory and personality could then be recovered as his body is rebuilt in the Lazarus Project.

The brain is a wonderful thing, many people have survived severe hypothermia, nasty concussions, gunshots to the brain and other brain trauma and have lived to tell about it. So it's not that big a stretch for me that he is brought back in 2185.

On another related, interesting note: The force of Earth's gravity on a human being with a mass of 70 kg (154 lbs) is approximately 686 Newtons, more if you weigh more like me. So if Shepard is freefalling on a planet with a smaller mass the force is even less.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 17 décembre 2010 - 04:57 .

[Sinapus]

Pwner1323 wrote...

Why do poeple say he was "mostly dead"?

Because we've seen The Princess Bride a billion times or so.

Really. Go look up "Miracle Max" on YouTube and I'm sure the appropriate scene will come up.

If I wanted to be serious, I'd go into some sort of description of "blood nannies" that can preserve the brain, but that's from a completely different science fiction series. (Schlock Mercenary webcomic, to be precise.)

ETA: I need to check a bit more carefully before hitting submit.

Miracle Max: Hey in there, what's so important for you to cling to life?
Shep: Troooooooooooo wuuuuuuuuuuuuvvvvvvvvv........

Modifié par Sinapus, 17 décembre 2010 - 05:21 .

[Sable Phoenix]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

On another related, interesting note: The force of Earth's gravity on a human being with a mass of 70 kg (154 lbs) is approximately 686 Newtons, more if you weigh more like me. So if Shepard is freefalling on a planet with a smaller mass the force is even less.

Terminal velocity also depends upon the thickness of the atmosphere.  Alchera's is thinner than Earth's.  Terminal velocity could be higher because of that.  We don't know, but I do know that Shepard's body didn't hit Alchera any more gently than it would've hit Earth.

Why?  Her body was recovered in pieces.  Now we're never told that in words, but consider.  Her helmet was found separate from the rest of the body.  I prefer to think the head was in it because it came off with impact, otherwise, the head would've burned up during re-entry, which is even more problematic.  Legion is wearing a piece of Shepard's armor.  Liara has another piece.  Both are in rather bad shape.  The hardsuit exploded upon impact.

"Meat and tubes", Jacob says.  What are these "tubes"?  Where do they go?  And most importantly, how come there's more than one tube?

... sorry.  Channeled George Carlin there for a second.  In all seriousness, why would there be "tubes" in Shepard's body?  Well if a body's in pieces you're going to need to do something to hold it together.

Shepard's body was recovered in pieces.  That's pretty solidly and completely and irrecoverably dead.

It's a lot more reasonable to believe that Shepard is now a "synthetic", granted an AI with emotions, granted an AI with a real person's memories, which is an amazing technological achievement, but given the universe lore, it's a lot easier to believe that they implanted a copy of Shepard's brain patterns onto a quantum blue box than that they actually managed to accomplish what, depending on your belief system, only one person has ever managed to do in human history, and put the spirit of life back into a body that was in pieces.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 17 décembre 2010 - 05:53 .

[Praetor Knight]

I need to double check the figures on Earth free fall, which people have survived, and Terminal Velocity to compare to Alchera.

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Why?  Her body was recovered in pieces.  Now we're never told that in words, but consider.  Her helmet was found separate from the rest of the body.  I prefer to think the head was in it because it came off with impact, otherwise, the head would've burned up during re-entry, which is even more problematic.  Legion is wearing a piece of Shepard's armor.  Liara has another piece.  Both are in rather bad shape.  The hardsuit exploded upon impact.

Shepard's body was recovered in pieces.  That's pretty solidly and completely and irrecoverably dead.

Well the suit could also have been cut off of the body when recovered. Could you provide the source of where the body was said to have fallen apart?

It's a lot more reasonable to believe that Shepard is now a "synthetic", granted an AI with emotions, granted an AI with a real person's memories, which is an amazing technological achievement, but given the universe lore, it's a lot easier to believe that they implanted a copy of Shepard's brain patterns onto a quantum blue box than that they actually managed to accomplish what, depending on your belief system, only one person has ever managed to do in human history, and put the spirit of life back into a body that was in pieces.

It's possible, but how did Shep fool the Citadel sensors? Even if his records were falsified by TIM, any cybernetic part would get flagged by C-Sec, especially against "Geth" Infiltration.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 17 décembre 2010 - 06:18 .

[Encarmine]

haha, i dont care how much theory craft goes into this, sheperd fell into open space, the suit had tears, sheperd then got exposed to space vacuum, which would of left sheperd frozen beyond repair, at a cell level, totally ruined. Sheperd then began to burn up as he/she enterd the atmosphere at several thousand kilometers per hour. Now, in the real world, NOTHING would of been left at all if such an event happend, but for the sake of story/sci fi, lets then entertain the fact that Sheperd then hit the ground at speeds probly in excess of 600kph.



I would conclude, that sheperd was KIA.