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[KaleMiaKi]

If it had been myself...I would have totally sided with the Templars. Overall that route most likely would have saved the most lives and even helped the mages in the long run.

However from a role playing perspective my rogue Hawke was very protective of her little sister and as she was in the Circle, didn't really think beyond 'Templars want to kill Circle mages, sister is circle mage, Templars must die.'

[UltiPup]

Bluumberry wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

The fact that even if you sided with the mages, Fenris would still be at your side if you maxed Friendship. Whereas Anders will never help you attack the mages, Fenris is willing to attack the templars. It shows that he can put down his hatred for magic to do what is at hand. He doesn't think siding with the mages is right but he cares more about Hawke than old hatreds.

Exactly.

Which brings me to another point I was wondering...many of you keep writing about how you chose to side with the mages.

I'm puzzled, I've always been pro mage(playing one 90% of the time as well) but the mages in DA2 kind of...made me rethink my opinions of mages in the world of Dragon Age. I did both of the endings and much prefer the templar one, despite Meredith going crazy because of the idol. At least that can be blamed on the idol and not her being an idiot and turning to blood magic.

So why are basically all of you siding with the mages? I'm curious, especially if you've been agreeing with Fenris' ideas.

I prefered the Templar one, if only that you actually got to confront Orsino on his misdeeds. In the Mage one, it just glosses over the fact that he pretty much sponsored your mom's killer. I wanted to go and get more info from him, but he went stabby on his wrist and oops boss battle! At least it was a cooler fight.

Orsino and Meredith seemed both more tragic in the Mage ending. Orsino seemed more compassionate that he was left no other option. Meredith, during the final battle, does take a moment to have a spit of regret. She questions herself, but ultimately throws away redemption. The idol only fueled her fate. She was already a **** to mages before the idol was even found.

And thus my Rogue is the viscount and my Warrior is a runaway. Not sure when my Rogue agreed to the viscount business.

[Wolfsong27]

Shyler wrote...

I threw a little video together of different Fenris scenes through out the game for those of you interested. I didn't put dialog because I don't want to completely ruin for anyone that hasn't experienced any of these scenes with him.

All of these were with my sweet and nice female Hawke. Well, sweet and nice to Fenris anyway, if you are a mage gtfo, lol. This is what I got when you get his %100 friendship early in phase 1. I didn't want a bunch of choppy cut scenes so I threw a song in there lol.

I have never likes elves, until now. Thanks Bioware! He's quite animated for someone who has been tormented his whole life. ha. Enjoy!

This was a lot more touching to me because your Hawke looks identical to mine xD
Same hair, hair color, even the tattoo.

I think this is my favorite romance in any media, ever <3

[Anny78]

Addai67 wrote...

Awww, the friendship dialogue in Questioning Beliefs is so sweet.  Makes up for him calling Hawke a dirty mage when he first meets her. 

video
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Hi everyone! 

This video shows only a friendly dialogue. If you are flirting with him, it's much much sweeter, he flirts back a lot and tells Hawke, that he wants her.

[darkrose]

Okay, I'm yet another person having trouble romancing Fenris. I'm playing a male mage Hawke in Act 2. I was slightly friendly and had flirted with him in A Bitter Pill. I let him kill Hadriana (no hardship there, since she killed me) and gave the girl a job (she was so not going to make it on her own)...and then he got mad when I asked him if he wanted to talk about it--kind of don't blame him; it wasn't the time for sharing our feelings--started ranting about how all mages are evil, and Hawke had a sad face.

So I went back to the estate; Fenris apologized...and left.

Am I completely SOL now, or will I have another opportunity to get in his spiky metal pants?

[namedforthemoon]

David Gaider wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
inspiration for Fenris' real name?

I like it?

You said a while back that other than Valen, there had been other character influences for Fenris but you didn't want to say because people take that out of context. Now that we've met the man as he is, care to comment on what those other character influences were?

My intention is to avoid talking about where I take my inspiration from, primarily because many people can't tell the difference between inspiration and derivation. That might not be you, but I'm not taking any chances. Sorry!


And the red thing on Fenris's arm is Hawke's favor. As in a scarf.

Yes, we knew that. But there's something tied under the scarf and above Fenris' armor that we're trying to figure out. I'd say it was a lock of Hawke's hair, but the color doesn't change when Hawke's hair color changes, it's consistantly black. It looks like a small leather strap or something.

[Rheia]

To be honest, DA II mages aren't doing a very good job convincing anyone to like them more. For the exception of Hawke and Bethany how many mages didn't do something horrific in this game? I won't get into the debate of how justified/unjustified their action are... but if you go by the results, even the most staunch mage supporters ought to question their believes.

Don't get me wrong, first playthrough was as snarky idealistic apostate who sympathized with mages plight for freedom, and she did side with mages, friended Anders and Merril, and Fenris and her were in constant disagreement on the issue... but a lot of events in the game made her question her convictions. Big time. Given that, it's not exactly a big surprise that someone who already mistrustful of magic for a good reason doesn't come to mistrust it any less as time goes by. One or two examples mages who can 'handle' their power is not enough when contrasted by hundreds who don't, after all.

I really don't think that Fenris view on mages improves at all as the game goes by. He clearly states that siding with mages is a mistake in his eyes. He does so anyway only out of respect or love for Hawke, and that alone is more than enough character growth for me

Modifié par Rheia, 17 mars 2011 - 09:32 .

[ankuu]

Maera Imrov wrote...

Because people did -or used to- keep locks of hair in remembrance of someone. Not always for a romantic partner, either. Nothing stalker about it. I still have a lock of one of my first dogs' fur, which was nice after he passed away. Though I am more inclined to think it a feather just based on how it's shaped, if it's anything at all. As yuki says, it doesn't show up properly at all angles and could well be a graphical glitch.

I personally always thought it's a graphical glitch with his armor...i looked at it so many times, in so many lights and at different angles that i gave up. I even thought there are spikes!

[TeamLexana]

Bluumberry wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

The fact that even if you sided with the mages, Fenris would still be at your side if you maxed Friendship. Whereas Anders will never help you attack the mages, Fenris is willing to attack the templars. It shows that he can put down his hatred for magic to do what is at hand. He doesn't think siding with the mages is right but he cares more about Hawke than old hatreds.

Exactly.

Which brings me to another point I was wondering...many of you keep writing about how you chose to side with the mages.

I'm puzzled, I've always been pro mage(playing one 90% of the time as well) but the mages in DA2 kind of...made me rethink my opinions of mages in the world of Dragon Age. I did both of the endings and much prefer the templar one, despite Meredith going crazy because of the idol. At least that can be blamed on the idol and not her being an idiot and turning to blood magic.

So why are basically all of you siding with the mages? I'm curious, especially if you've been agreeing with Fenris' ideas.

I didn't. I sided with the Templars and I was a mage to boot, lol. I spent most of the game defending the mages and racking up rivalry with Fenris because of it but by the end, I had to agree with Fenris that mages are dangerous and would lead to the return of the Magister's in southern Thedas. I mean 95% of the mages we meet in game are batcrap crazy, most of which are even ones I choose to save even had the balls to abduct my bro from the Wardens - oh, they had to die. And THEN ANDERS! UGH! That circle had to be cleansed. I kinda even felt bad about it till witnessning all those mages turn into abominations too - including the damn First Enchanter. wtf? Die mage scum! lol, jk. Well mostly, lol.

[ankuu]

DemonSaya wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

I was a little confused when I was told that a loved one (close person?) of mine got kidnapped and it ended up being Merrill, who I had a rival relationship with. She probably wasn't 50% rival yet, but I had figured that it was due to her naivete or something.

Probably because your best friends are all in your party with you at the time. And yeah, I think Merrill would be pretty easy to fool.

If all your besties (and romanceable character) are in your party, the one kidnapped is the one with the highest 'friendship' score, according to the book.  In my case, I left Fenris at home, just to see him kidnapped.  Desperately wished there'd been a little...more, since he was a romanceable character, but still...  >.>  My rogue knifed the ***** that kidnapped him.

What? Oh hell....Fenris could have gotten kiddnaped and instead they took Carver. Why Carver?! I don't care that much about him...replay time!

Modifié par ankuu, 17 mars 2011 - 09:32 .

[Bluumberry]

darkrose wrote...

Okay, I'm yet another person having trouble romancing Fenris. I'm playing a male mage Hawke in Act 2. I was slightly friendly and had flirted with him in A Bitter Pill. I let him kill Hadriana (no hardship there, since she killed me) and gave the girl a job (she was so not going to make it on her own)...and then he got mad when I asked him if he wanted to talk about it--kind of don't blame him; it wasn't the time for sharing our feelings--started ranting about how all mages are evil, and Hawke had a sad face.

So I went back to the estate; Fenris apologized...and left.

Am I completely SOL now, or will I have another opportunity to get in his spiky metal pants?

If you didn't show interest in anyone else in Act 2 you should be fine. Your friendship/rivalry meter is probably not over 50%. When it is how get a quest to talk to Fenris in his mansion, where you can initiate the romance. After this conversation if you didn't do A Bitter Pill yet, you cna have him stay at the end of that quest.

If you already did Bitter Pill before initiating the romance, just go back to your mansion at night after the 50% talk and he will be there.

[ankuu]

tankgirly wrote...

Questions. Someone might had asked this already. Anyone able to spell out what exactly Fenris was swearing, which translated to: You're going to be the death of me in Tevinter? This is one of the rivalry romantic scene. I replayed the saved files three times but still couldn't work it out.

Btw, I managed triggered Anders /Fenris confrontation scene, XDDDDDD


*Return to the Bone Pit to slaughter some vicious High Dragon and with they were at least one Ballister on site.*

@inclemency, according to the guide (didn't I say I am a BW junkie), it's in Act 3 and only if his scale is the highest or if you are romancing him and not having him in your active party.

What scene? I thought Anders says something about him only when you go for that rock in the gallows.

[Anny78]

darkrose wrote...

Okay, I'm yet another person having trouble romancing Fenris. I'm playing a male mage Hawke in Act 2. I was slightly friendly and had flirted with him in A Bitter Pill. I let him kill Hadriana (no hardship there, since she killed me) and gave the girl a job (she was so not going to make it on her own)...and then he got mad when I asked him if he wanted to talk about it--kind of don't blame him; it wasn't the time for sharing our feelings--started ranting about how all mages are evil, and Hawke had a sad face.

So I went back to the estate; Fenris apologized...and left.

Am I completely SOL now, or will I have another opportunity to get in his spiky metal pants?

He left for me too, so I ran over to his mansion (Quest: Questioning beliefs), then he went to Hawke's estate and spent the night with her.

[bushes289]

Wait a minute, a few hours earlier someone said that they heard Fenris was based of off Edward Cullen, I don't see it all and vehemently protest the idea.

But if it's true,

Doesn't that mean...

The idea of Fenris's glowing abilities was gotten from Edward Cullen's SPARKLING!

*Screams in horror*

[Bluumberry]

bushes289 wrote...

Wait a minute, a few hours earlier someone said that they heard Fenris was based of off Edward Cullen, I don't see it all and vehemently protest the idea.

But if it's true,

Doesn't that mean...

The idea of Fenris's glowing abilities was gotten from Edward Cullen's SPARKLING!

*Screams in horror*

Yeah I think it was in the thread about which romance was the best and someone was like "Fenris was made to cater to the Edward fangirls".

Idiots...

[sushismygen]

 I mean 95% of the mages we meet in game are batcrap crazy, most of which are even ones I choose to save even had the balls to abduct my bro from the Wardens - oh, they had to die. And THEN ANDERS! UGH! That circle had to be cleansed. I kinda even felt bad about it till witnessning all those mages turn into abominations too - including the damn First Enchanter. wtf? Die mage scum! lol, jk. Well mostly, lol.

THIS!

My jaw droped all the way down to the Deep Roads when he slew his wrist and turned to abomination
I was like "Holy s*** dude! Im standing here defending you and this is how you solve things?!

And Anders...wow...he totally lost it. I can't do anything else then agree with Fenris.
Got two really good banters between those two btw, both in act 3 if I recall right. In one of them Anders was trying to convince Fenris that magic is usefull and should be used, to what Fenris responded with quite upset voice "try to talk to Hawke about her mothers death and the role that magic played there" or something like that. Can't remember exact words, might have to dig in to old saves  And another one where Anders said that not all mages are weak (in contest of blood magic and deamon possesion) to which Fenris partly agreed saying "Hawke is strong but there are not many others like her" including Anders with the "weak ones"  

I was first planing to have one playthru for romance with Fenris and one with Anders but now I just can't! Anders totally freaked me out  Shame, I really liked him in Awakening
 Not sure if I ever will be able to go for anyone else then Fenris, he's just too awesome!

[AkaTenar]

Hope this works, I have never posted a picture before  Ooo it worked!

If you ever noticed right after the night with Fenris, you get this little pop up "Item received Grafted Spirit Hide".  I think that's what is tucked in the red thing.  It ticked me off cause I spent 30 mins going back and forth and trying to find that thing and never did so I am guessing it's that, or I just went blind from the pain of Fenris leaving my Hawke.  What it is and why... Yeah no idea.  I did hope it would be revealed, but no such luck. 

Modifié par AkaTenar, 17 mars 2011 - 11:35 .

[ejoslin]

bushes289 wrote...

Wait a minute, a few hours earlier someone said that they heard Fenris was based of off Edward Cullen, I don't see it all and vehemently protest the idea.

But if it's true,

Doesn't that mean...

The idea of Fenris's glowing abilities was gotten from Edward Cullen's SPARKLING!

*Screams in horror*

No, it's not true.  David Gaider apparently said that Twilight's romances were well done at some point, and that has taken on a life of its own.

[Bluumberry]

AkaTenar wrote...


Hope this works, I have never posted a picture before  Ooo it worked!

If you ever noticed right after the night with Fenris, you get this little pop up "Item received Grafted Spirit Hide".  I think that's what is tucked in the red thing.  It ticked me off cause I spent 30 mins going back and forth and trying to find that thing and never did so I am guessing it's that, or I just went blind from the pain of Fenris leaving my Hawke.  What it is and why... Yeah no idea.  I did hope it would be revealed, but no such luck. 

I still think it's a graphical glitch since it doesn't show up from all angles.

As well as the fact that Gaider told us the ribbon was sign of Hawke's favor, but made no mention that anything was underneath it.

So my verdict is glitch. I don't think he needs anything but the scarf/ribbon anyways.

[Fault Girl]

I am a fan of twilight in a way, kinda growing out if now but not once did I ever compare it to Fenris or any other romance. Never.

I compare him more to the classic anti-heros such as Heathcliff & others...

But then I'm not an Edward fan, too whiny....

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 17 mars 2011 - 11:38 .

[pamkhat]

ejoslin wrote...

bushes289 wrote...

Wait a minute, a few hours earlier someone said that they heard Fenris was based of off Edward Cullen, I don't see it all and vehemently protest the idea.

But if it's true,

Doesn't that mean...

The idea of Fenris's glowing abilities was gotten from Edward Cullen's SPARKLING!

*Screams in horror*

No, it's not true.  David Gaider apparently said that Twilight's romances were well done at some point, and that has taken on a life of its own.

Yeah, he said they were successful in what they sought out to do or something to that extent.  He kind of explains it here:

http://social.biowar...ex/6603345&lf=8

But IDK what that has to do with Fenris considering Fenris is like the shining beacon of freaking video game love interests.  I choose to ignore all things Twilight and after this will continue to do so. 

[ejoslin]

Bluumberry wrote...

AkaTenar wrote...


Hope this works, I have never posted a picture before  Ooo it worked!

If you ever noticed right after the night with Fenris, you get this little pop up "Item received Grafted Spirit Hide".  I think that's what is tucked in the red thing.  It ticked me off cause I spent 30 mins going back and forth and trying to find that thing and never did so I am guessing it's that, or I just went blind from the pain of Fenris leaving my Hawke.  What it is and why... Yeah no idea.  I did hope it would be revealed, but no such luck. 

I still think it's a graphical glitch since it doesn't show up from all angles.

As well as the fact that Gaider told us the ribbon was sign of Hawke's favor, but made no mention that anything was underneath it.

So my verdict is glitch. I don't think he needs anything but the scarf/ribbon anyways.

The scarf is definitely enough.  He's showing the world his feelings -- what more could you want!

I'm pretty sure that the grafted spirit guide is his getting another runeslot for him armor (or it's new armor with the extra rune slot).  I like that his armor upgrades after that encounter as well  I know it's to do with completing his personal quest, but it's fun that the message appears right then.

[ejoslin]

pamkhat wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

bushes289 wrote...

Wait a minute, a few hours earlier someone said that they heard Fenris was based of off Edward Cullen, I don't see it all and vehemently protest the idea.

But if it's true,

Doesn't that mean...

The idea of Fenris's glowing abilities was gotten from Edward Cullen's SPARKLING!

*Screams in horror*

No, it's not true.  David Gaider apparently said that Twilight's romances were well done at some point, and that has taken on a life of its own.

Yeah, he said they were successful in what they sought out to do or something to that extent.  He kind of explains it here:

http://social.biowar...ex/6603345&lf=8

But IDK what that has to do with Fenris considering Fenris is like the shining beacon of freaking video game love interests.  I choose to ignore all things Twilight and after this will continue to do so. 

I've never read twilight so I have no opinion on the series.  However, it really is weird how one comment can be blown up into so many different things.

I agree that Fenris is just an amazing love story.  David Gaider writes amazing dialog, and Gideon Emery just nailed those lines perfectly.

[bushes289]

ejoslin wrote...

bushes289 wrote...

Wait a minute, a few hours earlier someone said that they heard Fenris was based of off Edward Cullen, I don't see it all and vehemently protest the idea.

But if it's true,

Doesn't that mean...

The idea of Fenris's glowing abilities was gotten from Edward Cullen's SPARKLING!

*Screams in horror*

No, it's not true.  David Gaider apparently said that Twilight's romances were well done at some point, and that has taken on a life of its own.

I know it's not true, I never thought it was. I was trying to be funny, the internet is really bad for that kind of thing though. Ah well.

[AkaTenar]

ejoslin wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

AkaTenar wrote...


Hope this works, I have never posted a picture before  Ooo it worked!

If you ever noticed right after the night with Fenris, you get this little pop up "Item received Grafted Spirit Hide".  I think that's what is tucked in the red thing.  It ticked me off cause I spent 30 mins going back and forth and trying to find that thing and never did so I am guessing it's that, or I just went blind from the pain of Fenris leaving my Hawke.  What it is and why... Yeah no idea.  I did hope it would be revealed, but no such luck. 

I still think it's a graphical glitch since it doesn't show up from all angles.

As well as the fact that Gaider told us the ribbon was sign of Hawke's favor, but made no mention that anything was underneath it.

So my verdict is glitch. I don't think he needs anything but the scarf/ribbon anyways.

The scarf is definitely enough.  He's showing the world his feelings -- what more could you want!

I'm pretty sure that the grafted spirit guide is his getting another runeslot for him armor (or it's new armor with the extra rune slot).  I like that his armor upgrades after that encounter as well  I know it's to do with completing his personal quest, but it's fun that the message appears right then.

@ejoslin You are aswome!  I never even thought to look at his armor.  It's just been bugging me that I had no idea what that darn thing was...  I'm obessed that way.  I'll have to keep an eye out on my next play.  Although now I really do need to smack myself in the head for not thinking about that sooner and driving myself anders crazy over this.