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[Tasmen]

ejoslin wrote...

I actually liked that Fenris didn't move in in the game -- he clings too fiercely to his independence. And he still has the best dialog

This.

I totally appreciate that he clings to that independence. 

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Addai67 wrote...
What is really offputting about his romance lines is how creepy he is from moment one.

Huh? He's really sweet and flirty and Old Andersy in the beginning if you play as a male Hawke. I'm kind of surprised at the difference.

[Addai]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
What is really offputting about his romance lines is how creepy he is from moment one.

Huh? He's really sweet and flirty and Old Andersy in the beginning if you play as a male Hawke. I'm kind of surprised at the difference.

So I've heard.  There is not only the fact that you know he's an abomination, a violent one, starting out, he also warns you numerous times how dangerous he is, and to me there's nothing of the humor or laid-backness that was Anders to me.  I mean, think of how you encounter him in Awakening and contrast.  I also can't seem to get his flirt lines for love or money.  When my snarky mage asks "what does that make me?" he says "well you are... something" like she's shoe scrapings.  Way to woo a girl.  lol  I found much the same reception on my diplomatic Hawke.

Not that Fenris doesn't start out rough, too, with his "oh, another mage" spiel.  But there's some redeeming gentlemanliness even in his first dialogues.

[Tasmen]

ankuu wrote...

As for Anders. I would have loved THE Anders. This is totally not Anders...He is not matured he is a totally different person! In Awakening i cringed at the thought of him not being a romance option and i even flirted with him even tho my Warden was queen (and i was a bit of a Alistair fangirl). Now when i tried to go thru a different romance, Anders made me throw up with those sugary lines. Maybe i like my man to be darker, i dunno xD But after a while in his romance i heard him talk to Fenris (i romanced Fenris too but after he left i went with Anders) and i had to reload and wait for Fenris.

See, Anders from Awakening for me was not someone I wanted to romance.  I liked him, but more as an annoying brother type.  I was excited to see what Anders 2.0 was going to be like after reading the taster fic here.  He intrigued me. 

He was incredibly well written for DA2, coming off as sort of douchenozzle some of the time, but with still hints of the old Anders lingering there just beneath the surface. I liked watching the character progression.

That said, my fangirl DA2 obsession is definitely Fenris.  

[maselphie]

Addai67 wrote...

ankuu wrote...
As for Anders. I would have loved THE Anders. This is totally not Anders...He is not matured he is a totally different person! 

What is really offputting about his romance lines is how creepy he is from moment one.  But also, Anders 2.0 is judgmental and a bit of a dick.

Hey! Fenris is a bit of a dick AND judgemental. If not moreso.

I'm the opposite -- I didn't like Anders and then fell for him. Anders is creepy, because of Justice, but he's actually a pretty normal romance throughout the game. The most drama is after the game is over, not during, like Fen here.

Anyway, what I wanted to say was, he's not "matured". He's Anders + Justice, and Justice is an old fuddy duddy. Which makes for nice tortured and/or hilarious lines especially considering the old Anders.

[UkiiUkii]

darkrose wrote...

Anny78 wrote...

darkrose wrote...

Okay, I'm yet another person having trouble romancing Fenris. I'm playing a male mage Hawke in Act 2. I was slightly friendly and had flirted with him in A Bitter Pill. I let him kill Hadriana (no hardship there, since she killed me) and gave the girl a job (she was so not going to make it on her own)...and then he got mad when I asked him if he wanted to talk about it--kind of don't blame him; it wasn't the time for sharing our feelings--started ranting about how all mages are evil, and Hawke had a sad face.

So I went back to the estate; Fenris apologized...and left.

Am I completely SOL now, or will I have another opportunity to get in his spiky metal pants?

He left for me too, so I ran over to his mansion (Quest: Questioning beliefs), then he went to Hawke's estate and spent the night with her.

*relieved sigh* Thank you! 

Sadly, the wall-push didn't go in the direction I wanted--my Hawke is such a bottom; he'd much rather be the one being shoved--but that's okay. 

Think I'll replay that one more time before going to bed. I'm going to regret this when I have to get up five hours from now...but it's worth it.

THIS.

My Hawke is totally the bottom, he's so easy going. And Fenris just tops. Always. No contest. The wall push made me a bit sad, I wanted Fenris to be more agressive. D:

[dandybananas]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
What is really offputting about his romance lines is how creepy he is from moment one.

Huh? He's really sweet and flirty and Old Andersy in the beginning if you play as a male Hawke. I'm kind of surprised at the difference.

Like all characters Anders and be really sweet and a major jerk at times. I prefer romancing Fenris not only because I love his character, but because of the challenge. Here my Hawke is outrageously flirting with Fenris and Fenris is always "Maybe another time". Damn what does a champion got to do to get in those pants! I find it much more rewarding when Fenris takes forever to give in, while Anders propositioned me directly after Karl died. Damn he wasn't even cold in his grave.

[Batorific]

Addai67 wrote...

Not that Fenris doesn't start out rough, too, with his "oh, another mage" spiel.  But there's some redeeming gentlemanliness even in his first dialogues.

when i play as a mage, i feel like anders only has an interest in me BECAUSE i'm a mage. like that's my entire identity.  Fenris, by contrast, doesn't really make a big deal out of it after the initial reaction.  well, unless the subject in particular is brought up. i dunno, i guess the fenris relationship seems more about hawke's personality and character instead of a coincidence of birth.

i realize anders DOES care but he just talks so much about mages that when i'm actually role-playing, its a definite "i just want you because you're another mage" vibe.

[Lady Jess]

Bluumberry wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

The fact that even if you sided with the mages, Fenris would still be at your side if you maxed Friendship. Whereas Anders will never help you attack the mages, Fenris is willing to attack the templars. It shows that he can put down his hatred for magic to do what is at hand. He doesn't think siding with the mages is right but he cares more about Hawke than old hatreds.

Exactly.

Which brings me to another point I was wondering...many of you keep writing about how you chose to side with the mages.

I'm puzzled, I've always been pro mage(playing one 90% of the time as well) but the mages in DA2 kind of...made me rethink my opinions of mages in the world of Dragon Age. I did both of the endings and much prefer the templar one, despite Meredith going crazy because of the idol. At least that can be blamed on the idol and not her being an idiot and turning to blood magic.

So why are basically all of you siding with the mages? I'm curious, especially if you've been agreeing with Fenris' ideas.

I did it because I believe the only reason the mages went to blood magic and demons was the iron boot of Blondie McCrazypants on their necks. My family served as an example of the fact that apostates in and of themselves are not bad people, a circle mage and an apostate helped end the blight, Anders runs a free clinic, regardless of his posession and issues, HE never turns to blood magic and the only reason he's posessed is that he naively thought he was helping a friend.  Mind you my  Hawke hates Orsino, for helping that psycho that killed her Mother, but honestly he provided books not much else and theres no proof he knew what Quinten "it puts the lotion on its skin" Nutjob was up to.  Idol or not she had spread her poisonous beliefs about mages too far to be stopped by normal means at that point, and even before the idol was found she was rotten.  How many mages were illegally made tranquil with no good reason even BEFORE the idol is found? Mind you a harrowed mage cannot be made tranquil under the chantry's own laws. How many were killed? How many more will be if she is allowed to continue?  I don't see me ever siding with her to be honest.

[panamakira]

Hello y'all....

Anyway, I made some new siggies to cheer me up!





Feel free to use them! Also thanks to maselphie for letting me use her sig! Oh the heartbreak.

^__^

[UltiPup]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

i feel the same about anders, he needs to be a bit tougher. As I've said previously he reminds me of a hippy esque peron (nothing wrong with that) but thats not the sort of person I go for.

Not saying Fenris is a bad guy, but I always tend to go for evil or anti-hero characters. Need a bit of darkness, Anders just goes on too much about hurting Hawke.

Am I the only one who think Anders is a dick? He is constantly pestering Isabela to choose a side in the discussion. He berates Aveline for being in the guard, seeing her only in the templar's hands. He dogs my favorite females at every which point. With Fenris, he and Isabela are like best buds. He has great respect for Aveline. The only two people he ever attacks is Anders and Merrill. I never bring Merrill along with him ( even though she takes his words in effing stride like a pro ) so he only fumes at Anders. Which, at this point, he well deserves.

[UkiiUkii]

In regards to the mages vs templars thing.

My stance throughout the game was the that the Circle was important and necessary, but that the templars also needed to be watchdogged, so that people like Sir-Make-all-the-mages-Tranquil-so-I-can-rape-them got weeded out and the templars were not allowed to run free and abuse the mages. I actually spent the entire game bringing the factions together and trying to get them to compromise.

I literally yelled at the TV when I got to the end. I was like "F*CKING ANDERS!" haha.

What I found actually, in regards to Fenris and Anders is that Fenris is anti-mage to a certain extent, but his opinion is a lot more reasonable. If you're a mage, that first conversation when you have Hawke can say "Well, I'm a mage, you got beef?" His response isn't "ARGH I HATE YOU" It's that Danarius was an evil SOB, but that doesn't mean by default that Hawke is as well. He doesn't believe that all mages are evil and must die, but he does strongly believe that they should be monitored, and given what happens in Tevinter I totally see where he's coming from.

I had a pretty easy time friendship mancing him actually, because although Fenris was clearly biased, he also was willing to listen to reason.

Anders on the other hand, I started off the game finding him very sympathetic, but he just gets more and more fanatical and refuses to see reason or any of the valid points of the other side of the argument.

[UkiiUkii]

Also all of these comments comparing Fenris to Healthcliffe and other romance-hero abusive douchebags makes me incredibly sad.

Fenris isn't an abusive jerkass, he's actually pretty polite and while he gets angry a few times he always apologizes afterwards and is clearly struggling with his past and anger.

:///

[panamakira]

@UkiiUkii

I agree. Although Fenris has suffered and has justifiable anger towards mages, when Hawke is a mage he's not unreasonable. He's beef is clearly with Danarius.

Anders although I love the poor broken soul he is, doesn't help his cause at all by being possessed by a vengeful spirit and well doing his crazy at the end.

*sigh*

[Lady Jess]

Some screenies...

HA guess he got Anders on that one. I missed the early part becaue of noisy dogs but this cracked me up


Sexy "I hate you" face. On Fenris, not Anders. Anders is having some derp.


And holy surprise Kissing after the sister quest.

[Thrazesul]

I still try to romance Anders, (on my third playthrough) but nooo. Even if Fenris doesn't help but being around with his voice and all... I just think of Anders and what he does in the end. It's metagaming yes but.. argh I really hate him for it.

Besides, the only way for me to romance anders is to leave Fenris entierly alone, which means I'd need to most likely kill him in the end for siding with the mages and with no rival/friend to back me up. Or just not recruit him at all.

The horror! O.o

I like the theory of it being a feather under the scarf on his armor too. It's really clever considering Hawke's name. I'm just not sure it looks like a feather...

[UkiiUkii]

Lady Jess wrote...

And holy surprise Kissing after the sister quest.

I-what? Surprise kisses? How'd you get that? D:

[ankuu]

UkiiUkii wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

And holy surprise Kissing after the sister quest.

I-what? Surprise kisses? How'd you get that? D:

Curious here toooo!!!

And damn, his kissing scenes are hot......

[Thrazesul]

That's the kiss you get if you continue the romance with him after the quest with his sister. There are no surprise kisses from what I know of. D:

And I love the angry look Anders get during that quest. Again, awesome expressions by Fenris.

[UkiiUkii]

Nerana wrote...

That's the kiss you get if you continue the romance with him after the quest with his sister. There are no surprise kisses from what I know of. D:

And I love the angry look Anders get during that quest. Again, awesome expressions by Fenris.

Ahh, okay! Good, I was like "WHAT DO YOU MEAN I MISSED FENRIS KISSES?!?" haha.

Oh man I love Fenris' angry faces. Actually all of his faces, he's just so expressive.

[Fangirl17]

UkiiUkii wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

And holy surprise Kissing after the sister quest.

I-what? Surprise kisses? How'd you get that? D:

I second this.HOW?!Is it when your friendship romancing him? And by the way I am friendship romancing him on my second mage play through and I have to say its a little more satisfying than the rivalry path.What he says when he leaves you and his face  Dear Maker I wanted to cry but I couldnt because my sister was in the room >.> so I left the save file so I could watch it again alone T~T

[Addai]

maselphie wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

ankuu wrote...
As for Anders. I would have loved THE Anders. This is totally not Anders...He is not matured he is a totally different person! 

What is really offputting about his romance lines is how creepy he is from moment one.  But also, Anders 2.0 is judgmental and a bit of a dick.

Hey! Fenris is a bit of a dick AND judgemental. If not moreso.

I'm the opposite -- I didn't like Anders and then fell for him. Anders is creepy, because of Justice, but he's actually a pretty normal romance throughout the game. The most drama is after the game is over, not during, like Fen here.

Anyway, what I wanted to say was, he's not "matured". He's Anders + Justice, and Justice is an old fuddy duddy. Which makes for nice tortured and/or hilarious lines especially considering the old Anders.

Fenris is opinionated, but he shows some gentlemanly concern and restraint at points too.  For instance, even with his feelings about mages, he'll say "that was unworthy of me" about a dickish comment he made, and he shows concern for a mage Hawke going into the Gallows.  Anders is just a bundle of emotions, I get that, and I think he's supposed to have woobie charm which he did for about ten minutes.  Then it was a bit too much.  I also saw the first bit of his mansion visit scene and the line "Justice doesn't approve of me seeing you" creeps me the hell out.  Maybe I'll get over it.

[Lady Jess]

UkiiUkii wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

And holy surprise Kissing after the sister quest.

I-what? Surprise kisses? How'd you get that? D:

It happened when he asked for forgiveness in act three

Also? All sisters in this game suck. His, and Hawke's. She gets sick in the deep roads, we get her to the wardens and she's now ticked off with me for...saving her life and keeping her out of the circle. Bah!

[Orchid-Haze]

I have just started to romance Fenris. One thing I find is that I am having to save and reload alot! i general tend to side with mages (as I usually play a mage) though as I am a rogue I will allow myself some slack!

I find it really up and down with him, just after something happens hes gets angry and runs of. My first impression is "did i choose wrong!?".

I came home to find him waiting for me (act2) after The sickening Fog quest.. No flashing/light but i was the one who threw him against the wall, not what I had read. Afterwards he left saying it was basically a bad idea he spent the night. Did I do something wrong? Arghh I need to know

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

@ LadyJess and Ankuu

I blame you for this. *Shoves half of the tissues from the tissue box up nose*