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[Anny78]

ankuu wrote...

Anny78 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Anny78 wrote...

Btw: Does anyone know why Fenris never shows up at Hawke's estate in Act 3?

Do you mean why Fenris never moves in?  Fenris doesn't move in with Hawke; the guide is wrong.  Or are you talking about something else?

Yes, I mean "move in" but he also never comes to visit Dog. (in my playthrough Varric and Aveline did twice and Isabela and Sebastian once).

I was sad about this too :crying:Among other things like not seeing his body lyrium brands...But poor guy ran away after you had something intimate with him, i think he was afraid to move in with you too, even after you sorted things out. I imagine Hawke would kiss him and stay "dangerously" close to him, and as he said she is the first and only one to get that close. I still wonder what he did alone in that big mansion so many years...besides dancing of course

As for Anders. I would have loved THE Anders. This is totally not Anders...He is not matured he is a totally different person! In Awakening i cringed at the thought of him not being a romance option and i even flirted with him even tho my Warden was queen (and i was a bit of a Alistair fangirl). Now when i tried to go thru a different romance, Anders made me throw up with those sugary lines. Maybe i like my man to be darker, i dunno xD But after a while in his romance i heard him talk to Fenris (i romanced Fenris too but after he left i went with Anders) and i had to reload and wait for Fenris.

Fenris is clearly really good written and fangirl material :devil:Ser Gaider ya did it again to us!

*signed*
Oh yes... body brands... *drool*
And he is not always at his mansion, when he is not with Hawke, according to a random banter, he visits Varric at the Hanged Man... and Aveline's husband visits him at the mansion to play diamonback too.

Another thing I like about Fenris pretty much is how his "random answers" if you click on him during your travels "evolve" according to the relationship he has with Hawke. From "we should move on"/"I'm rather conspicuous here" to "always a pleasure", "Yes, my friend?", "I remain at your side", "tell me, and it is done", "I enjoy following you" and finally "I am yours"

[Gilsa]

Addai67 wrote...

I don't feel bound by always picking the same response.  Sometimes Snarky is nice, sometimes she is shirty.  The sarcastic lines are pretty funny though.  I like her much better than Girl Scout.  I figure, as an apostate who's seen a hard road even before the Blight, humor is a coping mechanism.

Killing the Dalish is hard on me though. 

Heeeey, that's a very good way to look at it. That'll help me put my sarcastic Hawke in perspective when I play her. I don't feel bound by the colors either, but I'm in a "so what happens if I push this button?" mode now that I'm done with my first run.

And oh, man, I thought I royally screwed up with Merrill by going rival with her and then I was just floored when I ended up having to slaughter her tribe side-with-werewolf-style. Know what was going through my mind? "Oh, ****, I can't tell Addai about this. She will kill me for unintentionally destroying her people!" =p

Oh, btw, to touch on a conversation from yesterday, I just finished Varric's personal quest with Bartrand. I had taken Anders with me and could see that Varric had a soft spot after his brother pleaded for mercy. The guy asked to be put out of his misery so I instructed Varric to kill the bastard. He wavered and said he couldn't do it, that his brother was suffering a fate worse than death, and I got presented again with the option to spare Bartrand or kill him. I really wanted to kill the guy, but hey, Varric was a bro. I loved Carver and was majorly bummed when he died in my game, but I'm glad that I got to see how that played out. In that universe, Varric was OK with killing his brother. I like the different flavors. I still am going to redo the mage game and get Carver to live though -- I adored him! =p

[Herr Uhl]

Gilsa wrote...

I still am going to redo the mage game and get Carver to live though -- I adored him! =p

You simply have to like him and his ******-ish ways.
The endgame with him as a warden is, dare I say, Glorious /Cailan.

[UkiiUkii]

lamppostinwinter wrote...

It's so bizarre that even though Fenris is one of the angriest, broodiest (Yeah, I've decided broodiest is a word now) characters in the game, he is one of the most accepting and mature characters.

Even when he doesn't agree with you at all he still respects you and is totally civil. While he may not always be a pile of sunshine and he certainly does his fair share of mocking, he knows when to stop. He even apologizes when he lashes out at you, telling you it's not your fault and that he shouldn't take it out on you. He tries to hide his swishy emotions under all that snarling sexyness, but it is futile in the end.

Fenris is a softie in disguise

Yeah, I really don't understand all the "Fenris is emo" comments. Anders is way more emo then Fenris haha.

I think "stoic" is the perfect word to describe Fenris. Yes, he can be snarly and spiteful, but just as often he's polite and courteous, and he has no qualms about joking around with the other companions. He's got a full range of emotions, it's just that he's fairly quiet by default.

[Gilsa]

I hear ya. Going through a game with a non-romanced Fenris so I can see how the average player perceives him. I post in another group and whenever Fenris comes up in conversation, I listen to a couple of people talk about how much he rubs them the wrong way with his attitude and they aren't really inclined to give his romance a try. Not that I care if they ever romance him, just want to see what they're seeing since we already know about how deep his character can go.

[MelRedux]

lamppostinwinter wrote...

It's so bizarre that even though Fenris is one of the angriest, broodiest (Yeah, I've decided broodiest is a word now) characters in the game, he is one of the most accepting and mature characters.

Even when he doesn't agree with you at all he still respects you and is totally civil. While he may not always be a pile of sunshine and he certainly does his fair share of mocking, he knows when to stop. He even apologizes when he lashes out at you, telling you it's not your fault and that he shouldn't take it out on you. He tries to hide his swishy emotions under all that snarling sexyness, but it is futile in the end.

Fenris is a softie in disguise

I mostly agree with this.  It's the reason that I get so mad at Anders when he turns douchy and calls Fenris nothing more than a wild dog, claims Fenris is just jealous of his sister for being a mage, and says to Fenris' face that Hawke had some sense for not being with him anymore.  I replayed most of these scenes last night, and it really made me realize what a jerk Anders was being.   Which was very hard for me, I loved Awakening Anders (and Justice).

Fenris calls Anders a hypocrite, and tells Anders he'll kill him if he hurts Hawke.  Nothing as vicious and malicious as the things that Anders says.  Although I could be biased, but I don't remember anything being really nasty.

It's very heartbreaking what has become of Anders, romanced or not.  Damn you Bioware for making me feel this way!!

[UkiiUkii]

That's really the only downside to the romancing vs non-romancing characters. Generally people's opinions of a character seem to stem from 1) how much time they spent with them in their party and 2) whether or not they romanced them.

I'm having that problem with Isabela actually, like, I know there' more to her, but unless I romance her I'm not going to fully get to know her character. But Fenris/Male!Hawke is now my headcanon haha so I can't bring myself to do it. Or rather, her.

[Ryzaki]

I love both Fen and Anders.

I prefer Anders' rivalry romance though. God what a whirlwind.

Though Fen dumping my Hawke at first my poor little heart. D:

[Batorific]

UkiiUkii wrote...

Yeah, I really don't understand all the "Fenris is emo" comments. Anders is way more emo then Fenris haha.

I think "stoic" is the perfect word to describe Fenris. Yes, he can be snarly and spiteful, but just as often he's polite and courteous, and he has no qualms about joking around with the other companions. He's got a full range of emotions, it's just that he's fairly quiet by default.

By Act 3, i find that fenris is VERY sociable. he's got a comment about everything. he clearly becomes more outgoing as the time goes on.  at least in banters and comments.

I think the "emo" thing comes about because he voices an unpopular opinion about mages. most people seem to side with anders' veiws by default and fail to see that Fenris isnt just whining. his opinion is valid and repeatedly justified.  also the emo thing may just come from the dour clothing, deadpan tone, and hair style.  Looks aren't everything.

i personally find him to be one of the less depressing companions.  he's the one that repeatedly made me laugh playing through the game.  because his humor is so unexpected. especially in Act 3 when he comments on everything.

[tankgirly]

Tasmen wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

Nerana wrote...

That's the kiss you get if you continue the romance with him after the quest with his sister. There are no surprise kisses from what I know of. D:

And I love the angry look Anders get during that quest. Again, awesome expressions by Fenris.

Speaking of awesome Fenris expressions, this one wins for the best


The animators did such a fantastic job on DA2 with facial expressions.  I swear I could hear my heart breaking when I saw this face.

You know what this picture does to me every damn time...  Guh...

Second.

Ankuu, that Anders/Fenris confrontation occured when I was on my way to locate on of the apostate in the sewer. Basically |Anders questioned what did my Hawkette see in Fenris, and Fenris stepped in ans snorted. 

Well, Anders, what can I said. If you don't blow up the chantry I might reconsider?

[UkiiUkii]

Batorific wrote...

UkiiUkii wrote...

Yeah, I really don't understand all the "Fenris is emo" comments. Anders is way more emo then Fenris haha.

I think "stoic" is the perfect word to describe Fenris. Yes, he can be snarly and spiteful, but just as often he's polite and courteous, and he has no qualms about joking around with the other companions. He's got a full range of emotions, it's just that he's fairly quiet by default.

By Act 3, i find that fenris is VERY sociable. he's got a comment about everything. he clearly becomes more outgoing as the time goes on.  at least in banters and comments.

I think the "emo" thing comes about because he voices an unpopular opinion about mages. most people seem to side with anders' veiws by default and fail to see that Fenris isnt just whining. his opinion is valid and repeatedly justified.  also the emo thing may just come from the dour clothing, deadpan tone, and hair style.  Looks aren't everything.

i personally find him to be one of the less depressing companions.  he's the one that repeatedly made me laugh playing through the game.  because his humor is so unexpected. especially in Act 3 when he comments on everything.

Yes! Agreeing furiously with everything you said.  I love the way his character progresses and he softens up as the game continues. His conversations with Varric and Aveline are just pure gold.

I almost always found myself siding with Fenris, because he is not just a fanatical "I hate mages!" jerk. He is anti-mage, but he's got good reasons and his opinion is based on what he's seen, both in Tevinter AND Kirkwall.

I honestly think that 90% of the "Fenris is emo" comments come from people who never actually interacted with him and just saw his hairstyle.   :/

Modifié par UkiiUkii, 17 mars 2011 - 07:10 .

[graciegrace]

"did your master oil you up?  did you glisten for him?"
"I was his body guard"

LOLIsabella

[UkiiUkii]

graciegrace wrote...

"did your master oil you up?  did you glisten for him?"
"I was his body guard"

LOLIsabella

Fenris and Isabela just kill me, they're hilarious.

"So, that magical fisting thing you do?"
"I'm...sorry?"

Priceless. I could not stop laughing.

[Batorific]

UkiiUkii wrote...

I honestly think that 90% of the "Fenris is emo" comments come from people who never actually interacted with him and just saw his hairstyle.   :/

may also be because they only chanced him in Act 1.  In act 1, he was clearly not accustomed to socializing. he'd been on the run for ages. making friends isn't something he ever did.  as time goes on, he gets better at it.

and he really isn't so bad about the mage issue. certainly nowhere near as bad as anders. all the arguments he makes are valid, but he doesnt shove them down people's throats unprovoked.  and he actually is capable of you know, stopping.  he's just a friendly reminder of what happens when people are allowed free reign, especially with that sort of power.

[Dunizel]

lamppostinwinter wrote...

@Gilsa
I think that people who play with a non-romanced Fenris have a hard time seeing past his hard exterior, because he barely lets himself be vunerable and that comes off as jerky at times. I have a hard time understanding the massive distaste of Fenris. And I did not romance him my first playthrough.

It's the perfect same thing that happened with Zevran, even though they disliked him for different reasons...not for the brooding, for sure xD But still, it is the same. You have to know the characters and break their walls to get to really appreciate them. And that's why I like their romances, damn. It's hard to believe they are so different and yet so similar...at least for me!

[graciegrace]

90% of people who don't like Fenris are people who don't see the danger of mages and don't view his concerns and views as legitmate

[UkiiUkii]

Batorific wrote...

UkiiUkii wrote...

I honestly think that 90% of the "Fenris is emo" comments come from people who never actually interacted with him and just saw his hairstyle.   :/

may also be because they only chanced him in Act 1.  In act 1, he was clearly not accustomed to socializing. he'd been on the run for ages. making friends isn't something he ever did.  as time goes on, he gets better at it.

and he really isn't so bad about the mage issue. certainly nowhere near as bad as anders. all the arguments he makes are valid, but he doesnt shove them down people's throats unprovoked.  and he actually is capable of you know, stopping.  he's just a friendly reminder of what happens when people are allowed free reign, especially with that sort of power.

Exactly this. He gets so much less awkward as the game goes on, with Hawke but also with the other companions. Makes me sad I didn't get to see him and Carver interacting later in the game.  

The only person I notice he really, really can't stand is Merrill, which I find hilarious because I feel the same way about her. Even though he hates Anders, they still have banter. With Merrill he's just like "...shutup."

[Batorific]

UkiiUkii wrote...

The only person I notice he really, really can't stand is Merrill, which I find hilarious because I feel the same way about her. Even though he hates Anders, they still have banter. With Merrill he's just like "...shutup."

i cant blame him. she admits to knowing the dangers of spirits, but willingly still uses them. she's a shining example of mage hubris. people who THINK they control such forces.  Anders at least seems a bit scared of his state as an abomination and he doesn't approve of blood magic.  Merril though?  It's all worth it just to get some history back.

she is naive.  she is dumb.  don't get me wrong... i love merril but she is dumb about the forces she's messing with.  blood magic & willing negociation with demons are the cause of the rift.

[socialkombat]

Delurking finally, hello fellow Fenris fanciers!

My first playthrough was a mage who supported mages. I was unknowingly headed down the rivalmance path, and then out of nowhere, Merrill jumped me at my house (I didn't know the flirt would go that far, I hadn't interacted with her much). After that, my poor mage couldn't get any love from anyone! From an RP perspective it was interesting. My mage had this secret love for this guy who she couldn't get to love her, then sided with the mages and had to kill him, which shook her up quite a bit.

This time around I'm a battlehardened, scrappy little rogue (the kind who dual the Arishok one-on-one, that's a story for another play and time) who like my mage was taken with Fenris at first sight. She loved her sister but as time goes on, she's becoming more and more disenchanted by the whole situation with the mages. So this gives her something to talk about with Fenris. It also launched her straight into rivalmance with Anders. Flirted with him like once in Act 1, then in Act 2 he's all "I ACHE FOR YOU" and throws himself at her, to which she responds, "There is nothing between us!" (I tried out the romance just to see what it was like, then reloaded and kept the game going with Fenris).

Don't want to turn this into a novel, but this forum really helped me achieve the relationship with Fenris that I missed out on in my first playthrough. The friendship romance has been amazing... not even sure I want to go rivalmance route, but might roll another mage because (1) I loved playing a mage, and (2) it seems like the variations in the relationship would make it worth it.

And I can literally hear Fenris in my head saying, "You're a beautiful woman, Hawke..." Love that line.

[Ryzaki]

graciegrace wrote...

90% of people who don't like Fenris are people who don't see the danger of mages and don't view his concerns and views as legitmate

Please. 

Mages can be dangerous. That doesn't mean they should all be locked up. 

I like him. But I find his views on mages to be "eh" at best. Imprisioning a group of powerful and prone to destruction people isn't a wise idea. It's a breeding ground for fear and oppression. 

And people can like Fenris for far more reasons then him being anti mage. I like the guy but yeah I can see why people would dislike him. 

Personal preferences you know. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mars 2011 - 07:31 .

[graciegrace]

Ryzaki wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

90% of people who don't like Fenris are people who don't see the danger of mages and don't view his concerns and views as legitmate

Please. 

Mages can be dangerous. That doesn't mean they should all be locked up. 

I like him. But I find his views on mages to be "eh" at best. Imprisioning a group of powerful and prone to destruction people isn't a wise idea. It's a breeding ground for fear and oppression. 

And people can like Fenris for far more reasons then him being anti mage. I like the guy but yeah I can see why people would dislike him. 

Personal preferences you know. 

doesn't mean mages should go free either.  It's like passing out loaded guns and sending people off into the streets with them, no holds bar.  It's not a good idea.  Doesn't mean the Circle or the Templars work, because they don't, but it also doesn't mean mages should be free to do as they please.

[Addai]

UkiiUkii wrote...
Yes! Agreeing furiously with everything you said.  I love the way his character progresses and he softens up as the game continues. His conversations with Varric and Aveline are just pure gold.

I almost always found myself siding with Fenris, because he is not just a fanatical "I hate mages!" jerk. He is anti-mage, but he's got good reasons and his opinion is based on what he's seen, both in Tevinter AND Kirkwall.

I honestly think that 90% of the "Fenris is emo" comments come from people who never actually interacted with him and just saw his hairstyle.   :/

He does give very good reasons.  Sometimes it's hard to disagree with his logic.

I took him to see Idunna, "the exotic wonder of the east", last night, because I was curious how he would react to her enchantment.  I had to leave everyone else out of the party because someone else always chimed in, getting taken in by her.  He does, too, at first, but then realizes it and tells Hawke to "be cautious."  It made me think about what it would be like to live around a blood mage like Danarius who could control your mind.  He had to become knowledgeable and disciplined on the subject of magic just to find his own identity.  I made a video of the interaction here.  Also interesting- he makes no objection and gives no rivalry points for letting her go.

[UkiiUkii]

Ryzaki wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

90% of people who don't like Fenris are people who don't see the danger of mages and don't view his concerns and views as legitmate

Please. 

Mages can be dangerous. That doesn't mean they should all be locked up. 

I like him. But I find his views on mages to be "eh" at best. Imprisioning a group of powerful and prone to destruction people isn't a wise idea. It's a breeding ground for fear and oppression. 

And people can like Fenris for far more reasons then him being anti mage. I like the guy but yeah I can see why people would dislike him. 

Personal preferences you know. 

That's why I spent most of the game trying to show the templars that mages were people and while they could be dangerous they were also just as human as everyone else, and needed to be respected. AND IT ALMOST WORKED TOO. grumble grumble.

Oh absolutely. I didn't always agree with Fenris, and his view is definitely biased, but he is capable of rational thought way moreso then Anders. And there' way more to his character then his mage stance obviously haha.