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[Ryzaki]

tankgirly wrote...

Gamlen will comment on Fenris, or any other LI you are with. Hehehe...

I lol'd so hard at his "I guess I know whose the girl" comment. 

[Lady Jess]

Ryzaki wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

I'm glad Hawke says nothing, I'd be a bit annoyed if a Hawke I was playing as anti mage/pro templar after that point said "oh no, it wasn't magic that made him do it !"  And I  even played  my mage hawk as having issues with Orsino/ The Circle at that point. Because well, yeah he'd have still been crazy as a non mage he wouldn't have had the ability to reanimate that thing! She didn't decide to help the circle til the very end where she couldn't refuse to take a side.

And I didn't tell Gamlen about the details. I just couldn't even if I hated the guy. That was his sister and noone should have a bad visual after she's gone if they don't have to.

I think it's probably better Hawke says nothing than something to break RP. But they could've kept track of what you said to Gamlen and had you repeat that. Would've been awesome.

Reanimation isn't what my Hawke cared about. The fact that their mother was chopped up which may have happened regardless is what screwed them up. 

I always tell Gamlen. He asked and my Hawke told him to truth. It's hard, it's bitter and horrible but at least he knows what happened. He'd have had a bad visual regardless or did they just leave her body down there and not bother burying it near the rest of the family? Especially considering the bits and pieces don't belong completely to Leandra...

My hawke the first time was a mage, I'd like to believe she threw a firespell and incenerated any evidence, and gave gamlen the locket she found. As for my current rogue, then Anders set the body on fire. Noone was going to see her mother that way.

[Lady Jess]

Ryzaki wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Gamlen will comment on Fenris, or any other LI you are with. Hehehe...

I lol'd so hard at his "I guess I know whose the girl" comment. 

"So you're into Elves? It takes all kinds."

Yeah, I don't hate the bastard any less. <_<

[UltiPup]

Ryzaki wrote...

Nah just gave him the option to resurrect the body. Nothing would've stopped him from simply kidnapping Leandra and forcing her to play the role of his wife if he was twisted enough. And he probably was. 

Hell he might've still cut her up and sewed her body together just would've tried a more frankestein method without magic. Wouldn't have worked but the psycho probably didn't care enough to verify it before hand. Seems that Leandra was his first success. 

Indeed I just wish I could've said that. 

It was blood magic that even made this all possible. And it was the First Enchanter Orsino who KNEW about it and LET it happen. All in all, this is a major fault to the mages. If even their leader is effing insane, what hope is there for them?

[dandybananas]

Ryzaki wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

I'm glad Hawke says nothing, I'd be a bit annoyed if a Hawke I was playing as anti mage/pro templar after that point said "oh no, it wasn't magic that made him do it !"  And I  even played  my mage hawk as having issues with Orsino/ The Circle at that point. Because well, yeah he'd have still been crazy as a non mage he wouldn't have had the ability to reanimate that thing! She didn't decide to help the circle til the very end where she couldn't refuse to take a side.

And I didn't tell Gamlen about the details. I just couldn't even if I hated the guy. That was his sister and noone should have a bad visual after she's gone if they don't have to.

I think it's probably better Hawke says nothing than something to break RP. But they could've kept track of what you said to Gamlen and had you repeat that. Would've been awesome.

Reanimation isn't what my Hawke cared about. The fact that their mother was chopped up which may have happened regardless is what screwed them up. 

I always tell Gamlen. He asked and my Hawke told him to truth. It's hard, it's bitter and horrible but at least he knows what happened. He'd have had a bad visual regardless or did they just leave her body down there and not bother burying it near the rest of the family? Especially considering the bits and pieces don't belong completely to Leandra...

dandybananas wrote...
Magic did give that psycho that sick option. If he was a regular man there would have been nothing he could do to get his wife back and that would be it, but with powerful magic he was able to pull that bride of Frankenstein But your right it was not because he was a mage, but a psycho. Magic or Sword it can be used to protect or kill. It's all up to the wielder.

Nah just gave him the option to resurrect the body. Nothing would've stopped him from simply kidnapping Leandra and forcing her to play the role of his wife if he was twisted enough. And he probably was. 

Indeed I just wish I could've said that. 

But she would have still had her own body and have been rescuable by Hawke. It's better that my mother role plays for a couple of hours than have what he actually did with the help of magic done to her.

[dandybananas]

dandybananas wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

I'm glad Hawke says nothing, I'd be a bit annoyed if a Hawke I was playing as anti mage/pro templar after that point said "oh no, it wasn't magic that made him do it !"  And I  even played  my mage hawk as having issues with Orsino/ The Circle at that point. Because well, yeah he'd have still been crazy as a non mage he wouldn't have had the ability to reanimate that thing! She didn't decide to help the circle til the very end where she couldn't refuse to take a side.

And I didn't tell Gamlen about the details. I just couldn't even if I hated the guy. That was his sister and noone should have a bad visual after she's gone if they don't have to.

I think it's probably better Hawke says nothing than something to break RP. But they could've kept track of what you said to Gamlen and had you repeat that. Would've been awesome.

Reanimation isn't what my Hawke cared about. The fact that their mother was chopped up which may have happened regardless is what screwed them up. 

I always tell Gamlen. He asked and my Hawke told him to truth. It's hard, it's bitter and horrible but at least he knows what happened. He'd have had a bad visual regardless or did they just leave her body down there and not bother burying it near the rest of the family? Especially considering the bits and pieces don't belong completely to Leandra...

dandybananas wrote...
Magic did give that psycho that sick option. If he was a regular man there would have been nothing he could do to get his wife back and that would be it, but with powerful magic he was able to pull that bride of Frankenstein But your right it was not because he was a mage, but a psycho. Magic or Sword it can be used to protect or kill. It's all up to the wielder.

Nah just gave him the option to resurrect the body. Nothing would've stopped him from simply kidnapping Leandra and forcing her to play the role of his wife if he was twisted enough. And he probably was. 

Indeed I just wish I could've said that. 

But she would have still had her own body and have been rescuable by Hawke. It's better that my mother role plays for a couple of hours than have what he actually did with the help of magic done to her and all those other women.

[Ryzaki]

Lady Jess wrote...

My hawke the first time was a mage, I'd like to believe she threw a firespell and incenerated any evidence, and gave gamlen the locket she found. As for my current rogue, then Anders set the body on fire. Noone was going to see her mother that way.

ah. I couldn't set my mom's body on fire. *shudders*

I'd bury her. 

Though I see why you spared Gamlen the misery. I don't know personally I rather just be told the truth. It in my view almost always comes out sooner or later. 

dandybananas wrote..

But she would have still had her own body and have been rescuable by Hawke. It's better that my mother role plays for a couple of hours than have what he actually did with the help of magic done to her.

Not necessarily. If he kept her whole yeah. But he apparently was fixated on his wife's delicate fingers and skin. 

Still might've just carved them up and placed them all together. It's a throwback to Frankestien. And Dr. Whatever his name was certainly didn't have magic. He used what he could. If not bloodmagic it would've been something else. 

UltiPup wrote...

It was blood magic that even made this all possible. And it was the First Enchanter Orsino who KNEW about it and LET it happen. All in all, this is a major fault to the mages. If even their leader is effing insane, what hope is there for them?

Bloodmagic allowed him to reanimate Leandra sure. Lack of bloodmagic wouldn't have stopped him from killing her if he wanted to. It wouldn't have stopped him from carving her up. 

As for First Encanter Orsino he did know sure. He =/= all mages. Your blaming the actions of a few people on a whole group. That's where oppresion and abuses begin. 

One could say if not for the abuses of the circle and mages being imprisoned in the circle those two might've been caught more quickly because other mages wouldn't have hidden their actions out of fear for themselves being punished for something they had no involvement in.

If the guard had bothered searching the base where the bones were found or if the templars had the dude might've been discovered a whole lot earlier. 

The blame can fall at the feet of far more than just magic. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2011 - 05:08 .

[UltiPup]

I'm blaming the First Enchanter. First Enchanter. Leader of the Circle. He just isn't ANY mage. He is supposed to keep order within his Circle. And he plainly didn't. If we are to trust mages, we need First Enchanters to be strong, not weak.

[Lady Jess]

Ryzaki wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

My hawke the first time was a mage, I'd like to believe she threw a firespell and incenerated any evidence, and gave gamlen the locket she found. As for my current rogue, then Anders set the body on fire. Noone was going to see her mother that way.

ah. I couldn't set my mom's body on fire. *shudders*

I'd bury her. 

Though I see why you spared Gamlen the misery. I don't know personally I rather just be told the truth. It in my view almost always comes out sooner or later. 

dandybananas wrote..

But she would have still had her own body and have been rescuable by Hawke. It's better that my mother role plays for a couple of hours than have what he actually did with the help of magic done to her.

Not necessarily. If he kept her whole yeah. But he apparently was fixated on his wife's delicate fingers and skin. 

Still might've just carved them up and placed them all together. It's a throwback to Frankestien. And Dr. Whatever his name was certainly didn't have magic. He used what he could. If not bloodmagic it would've been something else. 

UltiPup wrote...

It was blood magic that even made this all possible. And it was the First Enchanter Orsino who KNEW about it and LET it happen. All in all, this is a major fault to the mages. If even their leader is effing insane, what hope is there for them?

Bloodmagic allowed him to reanimate Leandra sure. Lack of bloodmagic wouldn't have stopped him from killing her if he wanted to. It wouldn't have stopped him from carving her up. 

As for First Encanter Orsino he did know sure. He =/= all mages. Your blaming the actions of a few people on a whole group. That's where oppresion and abuses begin. 

One could say if not for the abuses of the circle and mages being free those two might've been caught more quickly because other mages wouldn't have hidden their actions out of fear for themselves being punished. 

BUT this is in the time and land of Funeral Pyres, and we were nobility again by this point. 

[Ryzaki]

UltiPup wrote...

I'm blaming the First Enchanter. First Enchanter. Leader of the Circle. He just isn't ANY mage. He is supposed to keep order within his Circle. And he plainly didn't. If we are to trust mages, we need First Enchanters to be strong, not weak.

Quintis was not a member of the circle. 

So I don't see your point.  

The missing mage was his responsibility true but it was the templars responsibility to find out what happened as well. He wasn't the only one who dropped the ball. 

Orsino was supposed to report an apostate bloodmage that is true and he's a corupt bastard for not doing such. 

Doesn't make it magics fault. Magic is a tool like anything else.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2011 - 05:10 .

[Lady Jess]

UltiPup wrote...

I'm blaming the First Enchanter. First Enchanter. Leader of the Circle. He just isn't ANY mage. He is supposed to keep order within his Circle. And he plainly didn't. If we are to trust mages, we need First Enchanters to be strong, not weak.

This, HAWKE FOR FIRST ENCHANTER!

[Gilsa]

Lady Jess wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Gamlen will comment on Fenris, or any other LI you are with. Hehehe...

I lol'd so hard at his "I guess I know whose the girl" comment. 

"So you're into Elves? It takes all kinds."

Yeah, I don't hate the bastard any less. <_<

LOL, I clicked on Leandra after I got that comment from Gamlen and she said, "An elven slave? Maker, I hope you know what you're doing." Something like that. I thought that was such an odd comment she made. It wasn't until my second game when I romanced Isabela and Leandra STILL said the same thing that I finally realized she's actually talking about the elf that I hired into my household. LOL. *facepalm*  Maa-aaa-aan. =p

[UltiPup]

I'm not blaming magic. I am blaming Orsino for forsaking his duties and giving mages a bad name. How can the public trust magic if the one who is supposed to be in power abuses it? The public is a flock of sheep. It takes so little to frighten them.

[Ryzaki]

Lady Jess wrote...

BUT this is in the time and land of Funeral Pyres, and we were nobility again by this point. 

Ah true. 

Still. I dislike the smell of burning flesh. I couldn't do it. I can't even burn those Qunari for the same reason. 

[Ryzaki]

UltiPup wrote...

I'm not blaming magic. I am blaming Orsino for forsaking his duties and giving mages a bad name. How can the public trust magic if the one who is supposed to be in power abuses it? The public is a flock of sheep. It takes so little to frighten them.

Ah I see. 

I got confused because Fen's quote is directed towards magic in general not specific mages. Which is what annoys me about Hawke's inability to point it out. 

[Lady Jess]

Gilsa wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Gamlen will comment on Fenris, or any other LI you are with. Hehehe...

I lol'd so hard at his "I guess I know whose the girl" comment. 

"So you're into Elves? It takes all kinds."

Yeah, I don't hate the bastard any less. <_<

LOL, I clicked on Leandra after I got that comment from Gamlen and she said, "An elven slave? Maker, I hope you know what you're doing." Something like that. I thought that was such an odd comment she made. It wasn't until my second game when I romanced Isabela and Leandra STILL said the same thing that I finally realized she's actually talking about the elf that I hired into my household. LOL. *facepalm*  Maa-aaa-aan. =p

ROFL yeah Leandra said something about how the elf and hawke look at each other I was like "Yay Mom!!" That voice has played the best mom ever twice!

[UltiPup]

Ryzaki wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

I'm not blaming magic. I am blaming Orsino for forsaking his duties and giving mages a bad name. How can the public trust magic if the one who is supposed to be in power abuses it? The public is a flock of sheep. It takes so little to frighten them.

Ah I see. 

I got confused because Fen's quote is directed towards magic in general not specific mages. Which is what annoys me about Hawke's inability to point it out. 

I Rivalmanced Fenris and disagreed with him on mages at every point. He has every right to hate magic. It turned his life into a hell. Mages mercilessly tormented him. He saw unspeakable things in Tevinter. He sees the dark siode of magic. It is asking the impossible to remove all that from his mind. Its not far from the truth that magic has stained his soul.

Fenris was unable to see the good things that come from magic. It has to take a long time for him to change his opinion he held for nearly his entire life. And if mages still rebel in such ways, that can never happen. Templars push, mages push back. Its a never ending circle neither side will stop.

[dandybananas]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

can anyone tell me where fen's second gift is? i thought it was in the quest "best served cold" but i cant find it anywhere =/ i've finished the quest without finding it at all

so, anyone?

After you discover who is kidnapped and talk to Keran there should be a chest nearby with it.

[dandybananas]

UltiPup wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

I'm not blaming magic. I am blaming Orsino for forsaking his duties and giving mages a bad name. How can the public trust magic if the one who is supposed to be in power abuses it? The public is a flock of sheep. It takes so little to frighten them.

Ah I see. 

I got confused because Fen's quote is directed towards magic in general not specific mages. Which is what annoys me about Hawke's inability to point it out. 

I Rivalmanced Fenris and disagreed with him on mages at every point. He has every right to hate magic. It turned his life into a hell. Mages mercilessly tormented him. He saw unspeakable things in Tevinter. He sees the dark siode of magic. It is asking the impossible to remove all that from his mind. Its not far from the truth that magic has stained his soul.

Fenris was unable to see the good things that come from magic. It has to take a long time for him to change his opinion he held for nearly his entire life. And if mages still rebel in such ways, that can never happen. Templars push, mages push back. Its a never ending circle neither side will stop.

Indeed. Hawke tried very hard to show him the goodness of magic, but then that thing with mother, Anders, Merrill, Orisino, Demons, and every mage we ran into happened :bandit:Makes his siding with you and the mages at the end all the more sweet/crazy.

Modifié par dandybananas, 18 mars 2011 - 05:27 .

[Ryzaki]

UltiPup wrote...
I Rivalmanced Fenris and disagreed with him on mages at every point. He has every right to hate magic. It turned his life into a hell. Mages mercilessly tormented him. He saw unspeakable things in Tevinter. He sees the dark siode of magic. It is asking the impossible to remove all that from his mind. Its not far from the truth that magic has stained his soul.

Fenris was unable to see the good things that come from magic. It has to take a long time for him to change his opinion he held for nearly his entire life. And if mages still rebel in such ways, that can never happen. Templars push, mages push back. Its a never ending circle neither side will stop.

Ah so did I. I see things a bit clearer now. 

Thanks for that.  *not sarcasm for the record* 

And ugh yes the constant pushing and pulling of the templars and the mages frustrates me. It's realistic, but by god do I just want to clock everyone upside the head. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2011 - 05:28 .

[Addai]

Gilsa wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Gamlen will comment on Fenris, or any other LI you are with. Hehehe...

I lol'd so hard at his "I guess I know whose the girl" comment. 

"So you're into Elves? It takes all kinds."

Yeah, I don't hate the bastard any less. <_<

LOL, I clicked on Leandra after I got that comment from Gamlen and she said, "An elven slave? Maker, I hope you know what you're doing." Something like that. I thought that was such an odd comment she made. It wasn't until my second game when I romanced Isabela and Leandra STILL said the same thing that I finally realized she's actually talking about the elf that I hired into my household. LOL. *facepalm*  Maa-aaa-aan. =p

Right, like Uncle Gam-Gam has any room to talk.



So, we were giving Anders a hard time earlier, but I noticed Fenris saying a couple of pretty dickish things.  When you're recruiting Merrill and you encounter the elf who tells her to GTFO, he says "you can't give away what no one wants."  I'm not sure exactly what he means except I guess it's that the clan can't be rid of a blood mage soon enough.  Also, when you talk to Ser Thrask and he says he's always surprised to find that people are more interested in mage's struggles than their dangers, Fenris says "some people aren't."

[tankgirly]

dandybananas wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

can anyone tell me where fen's second gift is? i thought it was in the quest "best served cold" but i cant find it anywhere =/ i've finished the quest without finding it at all

so, anyone?

After you discover who is kidnapped and talk to Keran there should be a chest nearby with it.

And bewared if you are rivalry romance him he will not accept it. I had to put it in his inventory myself. <_<

[SurrealSadi]

Okay.. playthrough 2 finished. My pro-Chantry/Templar mage was crowned Viscount, albeit briefly...

Now...what class to play for playthrough 3.... Eh... might as well go with Warrior, to get that achievement... The next question is...who to romance... Just did Fenris...playthrough 1 was Anders...

[tankgirly]

SurrealSadi wrote...

Okay.. playthrough 2 finished. My pro-Chantry/Templar mage was crowned Viscount, albeit briefly...

Now...what class to play for playthrough 3.... Eh... might as well go with Warrior, to get that achievement... The next question is...who to romance... Just did Fenris...playthrough 1 was Anders...

Basti?

[UltiPup]

tankgirly wrote...
And bewared if you are rivalry romance him he will not accept it. I had to put it in his inventory myself. <_<

I chuckled with glee after he refused it and then I just equipped it on anyways. No one says no to Hawke...

I don't think I can show Fenris the goods of magic if I lost respect for mages after what happened to Mother. Any time I show Fenris something good, a crazy mage has to come and try to murder me. I agree with Hawke. Can't we go one week without a crazy mage trying to kill us?