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[SurrealSadi]

tankgirly wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Okay.. playthrough 2 finished. My pro-Chantry/Templar mage was crowned Viscount, albeit briefly...

Now...what class to play for playthrough 3.... Eh... might as well go with Warrior, to get that achievement... The next question is...who to romance... Just did Fenris...playthrough 1 was Anders...

Basti?

Mmm, Seb... with that sexy accent... Yeah.. I think I will do Seb now.

[Ryzaki]

UltiPup wrote...

tankgirly wrote...
And bewared if you are rivalry romance him he will not accept it. I had to put it in his inventory myself. <_<

I chuckled with glee after he refused it and then I just equipped it on anyways. No one says no to Hawke...

I don't think I can show Fenris the goods of magic if I lost respect for mages after what happened to Mother. Any time I show Fenris something good, a crazy mage has to come and try to murder me. I agree with Hawke. Can't we go one week without a crazy mage trying to kill us?

Does Hawke go one week with a crazy *anything* not trying to kill him? I mean...really it's either darkspawn, bandits, random giant spiders, dragons, High dragons, Qunari, elves that wanna be Qunari, mages or templars. Hawke can't catch a break. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2011 - 05:38 .

[Lady Jess]

tankgirly wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Okay.. playthrough 2 finished. My pro-Chantry/Templar mage was crowned Viscount, albeit briefly...

Now...what class to play for playthrough 3.... Eh... might as well go with Warrior, to get that achievement... The next question is...who to romance... Just did Fenris...playthrough 1 was Anders...

Basti?

Bela? Merill?Also, Merill's cry, KILLS ME EVERY TIME! Omg I'd even yell at Fenris for making her cry.

[starfrak]

Right, like Uncle Gam-Gam has any room to talk.

THIS.

I lol'd hard when I saw him there.  I think I'm one of the few people that actually like Gamlen.

oh, uhm.

<--- lurker

Hi, I  Fenris.

Modifié par Arlias, 18 mars 2011 - 05:42 .

[dandybananas]

Addai67 wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Gamlen will comment on Fenris, or any other LI you are with. Hehehe...

I lol'd so hard at his "I guess I know whose the girl" comment. 

"So you're into Elves? It takes all kinds."

Yeah, I don't hate the bastard any less. <_<

LOL, I clicked on Leandra after I got that comment from Gamlen and she said, "An elven slave? Maker, I hope you know what you're doing." Something like that. I thought that was such an odd comment she made. It wasn't until my second game when I romanced Isabela and Leandra STILL said the same thing that I finally realized she's actually talking about the elf that I hired into my household. LOL. *facepalm*  Maa-aaa-aan. =p

Right, like Uncle Gam-Gam has any room to talk.



So, we were giving Anders a hard time earlier, but I noticed Fenris saying a couple of pretty dickish things.  When you're recruiting Merrill and you encounter the elf who tells her to GTFO, he says "you can't give away what no one wants."  I'm not sure exactly what he means except I guess it's that the clan can't be rid of a blood mage soon enough.  Also, when you talk to Ser Thrask and he says he's always surprised to find that people are more interested in mage's struggles than their dangers, Fenris says "some people aren't."

Yes Fenris can be an ass too, but that stems from true horrible experiences. I think Anders can be more of an ass because he calls Fenris a dog even though you are with him, disgustingly shows approval if Hawke betrays Fenris to his master, and says something about how Fenris should committ suicide. And let's not forgot his special "potion".

[JackieDeex]

I think it really shakes him up when (if you don't let him kill his sister) he finds out that he volunteered for the lyrium tatoos and that he actually fought (and killed maybe?) other people to get them. He's always assumed that this terrible thing was done to him against his will and now he knows that isn't the case.

It's probably not enough to change his opinion on mages compleately after what so many bad one's have done to him but maybe... I dunno, what do you guys think?

[Ryzaki]

...Anders doesn't have any bad experiences?

Seriously?

They both have had rough and horrible lives and are both ****s at times. Can we not play the X has had a worst life than Y and can act more jerkish and be excused thing? I like both characters.

And I was happy to learn that he volunteered for the tattoos especially to free his family from slavery. It ended up being more of a hardship for his family than him despite him probably seeing it the other way around. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2011 - 05:41 .

[UltiPup]

Ryzaki wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

tankgirly wrote...
And bewared if you are rivalry romance him he will not accept it. I had to put it in his inventory myself. <_<

I chuckled with glee after he refused it and then I just equipped it on anyways. No one says no to Hawke...

I don't think I can show Fenris the goods of magic if I lost respect for mages after what happened to Mother. Any time I show Fenris something good, a crazy mage has to come and try to murder me. I agree with Hawke. Can't we go one week without a crazy mage trying to kill us?

Does Hawke go one week with a crazy *anything* not trying to kill him? I mean...really it's either bandits, random giant spiders, Qunari, mages or templars. Hawke can't catch a break. 

Giant spiders? Fine. I am invading their home. Qunari? Fine. They've been pursecuted by a demented priestess. Bandits? Fine. I was a smuggler for a year. But, damn it, I was siding with mages until the end. Why do the mages have to hate me? D:

[Addai]

dandybananas wrote...
Yes Fenris can be an ass too, but that stems from true horrible experiences. I think Anders can be more of an ass because he calls Fenris a dog even though you are with him, disgustingly shows approval if Hawke betrays Fenris to his master, and says something about how Fenris should committ suicide. And let's not forgot his special "potion".

Being ripped from your parents and locked away, sometimes for long periods of solitary confinement, is no picnic either, especially for a free spirit.  His extremism is also Justice-fueled.  I'm not defending him, just saying Fenris has his moments too.

[Ryzaki]

UltiPup wrote...

Giant spiders? Fine. I am invading their home. Qunari? Fine. They've been pursecuted by a demented priestess. Bandits? Fine. I was a smuggler for a year. But, damn it, I was siding with mages until the end. Why do the mages have to hate me? D:

Qunari? Yes being persecuted by one person means it's okay to slaughter a whole city filled with people who had jack squat to do with it, Tal-Vashoth? Have no reason to bother Hawke at all. 

Mages? They don't attack you unless their either apostates who don't know your on their side, or bloodmages possessed by demons. 

That said its irritating but the Circle mages that *don't* turn into demons do help Hawke out. Those that do attack everything around them. Unless you mean before the final battle where theyh don't know you from adam. And a couple of Templars attack you for daring to try to escort them to the Tower safely. Ra forbid.  

And most of them turn into abominations out of fear and desperation. Stupid yes but I can't really say they hate Hawke. 

[ankuu]

I actually like Gamlen a lot too. An ocassional punch in the face and he is great! I lol'd so hard when i saw him at the front desk in the brothel xD

Fenris isn't all that nice with Merrill...since i went with them everywhere during my first playthru, i know most of their convos. If i weren't romancing Fenris i would have said he is a dick. One example:

"They looked at me like i was a monster" *sob*
"You are a monster."

My reaction was "Awww Fen don't say that to the poor girl!".

mnomaha wrote...

I probably could have cut the picture, but I like it.

What Valentine' Day romance scene screenies are we talking about?

Modifié par ankuu, 18 mars 2011 - 05:46 .

[starfrak]

And I was happy to learn that he volunteered for the tattoos especially to free his family from slavery. It ended up being more of a hardship for his family than him despite him probably seeing it the other way around. 

How was it a hardship for his family to be freed from slavery?

[tankgirly]

@Ankuu, now I srsly think this screenie doesn't exist at all in game. Dunno where they got that from.

[Ryzaki]

Arlias wrote...

And I was happy to learn that he volunteered for the tattoos especially to free his family from slavery. It ended up being more of a hardship for his family than him despite him probably seeing it the other way around. 

How was it a hardship for his family to be freed from slavery?

Did you listen to what his sister said? They were poor and her mother ended up dead (the poorness is a guess based on how she was just a tailor and seemed to need Fenris' aid to get a boat and such). She even says something like: I look at you and Freedom was no boon. You got the better half of the deal.

not those words precisely but that's the general idea. 

Tevinter seems to be a rough place. A young girl and her mother, with no title to hide behind would probably be used and exploited. She was a mage sure but she didn't seem to have any powerful ability and was depending on Danarius to apprentice her and let her become a Magister. Most likely so she would have some power and a means of making a decent living. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2011 - 05:52 .

[dandybananas]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Anders doesn't have any bad experiences?

Seriously?

They both have had rough and horrible lives and are both ****s at times. Can we not play the X has had a worst life than Y and can act more jerkish and be excused thing? I like both characters.

And I was happy to learn that he volunteered for the tattoos especially to free his family from slavery. It ended up being more of a hardship for his family than him despite him probably seeing it the other way around. 

Never said Anders doesn't have bad experiences and I don't excuse Fenris for being a jerk either.  I understand why they dislike what they do. I like Anders. It's specifically all the stuff I mentioned that crosses the line of inappropriate that makes me mad at him. Being smug when betraying a comrade is wrong.

[UltiPup]

Ryzaki wrote...

Qunari? Yes being persecuted by one person means it's okay to slaughter a whole city filled with people who had jack squat to do with it, Tal-Vashoth? Have no reason to bother Hawke at all. 

Mages? They don't attack you unless their either apostates who don't know your on their side, or bloodmages possessed by demons. 

That said its irritating but the Circle mages that *don't* turn into demons do help Hawke out. Those that do attack everything around them. Unless you mean before the final battle where theyh don't know you from adam. And a couple of Templars attack you for daring to try to escort them to the Tower safely. Ra forbid.  

And most of them turn into abominations out of fear and desperation. Stupid yes but I can't really say they hate Hawke. 

Qunari. They are a very tough people. Different beliefs, customs, and a lot of people walked all over that for no reason. So some people decided the Qun was awesome. That doesn't mean we have to start killing Qunari. I am amazed they didn't rampage as soon as possible. They held for multiple years before deciding they couldn't take the insults anymore. I don't blame them for attacking. Kirkwall kinda had it coming.

Grace. Say it with me? **** Grace. Help her, give her up, nothing satisfies her. No **** kidnaps my Aveline.

One thing I don't get is when you side with Mages and you are fighting with Orsino, why the hell does he turn while you are still in the damn room? Does he not even care about Hawke? That he used her like Meredith uses you in the Templar choice? Both of them suck ass really.

[Ryzaki]

dandybananas wrote...
Never said Anders doesn't have bad experiences and I don't excuse Fenris for being a jerk either.  I understand why they dislike what they do. I like Anders. It's specifically all the stuff I mentioned that crosses the line of inappropriate that makes me mad at him. Being smug when betraying a comrade is wrong.

 

Being smug when betraying a comrade? when is Anders smug about betrayal? 

And Anders was never smug about suicide. He was asking Fenris a serious question. I saw no smugness or suggestion there. 

And if you think Fenris wouldn't have approved of handing Anders over to the templars...well I don't know what to say. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2011 - 05:57 .

[JackieDeex]

Arlias wrote...

And I was happy to learn that he volunteered for the tattoos especially to free his family from slavery. It ended up being more of a hardship for his family than him despite him probably seeing it the other way around. 

How was it a hardship for his family to be freed from slavery?

Well, imagine that your whole life you've been told what to do and as long as you do what you're told you can get by alright and then all of a sudden you have to start taking care of yourself.

You have to find a job, a place to live, since slaves don't get paid you wouldn't have expirience dealing with money...

Freedom could seem pretty terrifying! Like the slave girl you meet in his Act 2 quest, she was compleately baffled and had no clue what to do. She just asks, "Are you my master now?"

[Thiefy]

dandybananas wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

can anyone tell me where fen's second gift is? i thought it was in the quest "best served cold" but i cant find it anywhere =/ i've finished the quest without finding it at all

so, anyone?

After you discover who is kidnapped and talk to Keran there should be a chest nearby with it.

thanks for the reply. i appreciate not being ignored
i just figured that i missed it somehow since i know i thoroughly looted the place during the quest, and after beating the game and not getting the second gift that i had missed it. went back after the quest was done and still can't find it. will have to wait for another playthrough before seeing that cutscene i guess.

[tankgirly]

Ryzaki wrote...

dandybananas wrote...
Never said Anders doesn't have bad experiences and I don't excuse Fenris for being a jerk either.  I understand why they dislike what they do. I like Anders. It's specifically all the stuff I mentioned that crosses the line of inappropriate that makes me mad at him. Being smug when betraying a comrade is wrong.

 

Being smug when betraying a comrade? when is Anders smug about betrayal? 

Interesting notion there. As far as I recalled he did everything else but smug...

[starfrak]

Ryzaki wrote...

Arlias wrote...

And I was happy to learn that he volunteered for the tattoos especially to free his family from slavery. It ended up being more of a hardship for his family than him despite him probably seeing it the other way around. 

How was it a hardship for his family to be freed from slavery?

Did you listen to what his sister said? They were poor and her mother ended up dead. She even says something like: I look at you and Freedom was no boon. You got the better half of the deal.

not those words precisely but that's the general idea. 

I think being poor is better than being a slave (pretty sure they were poor as a slave as well), did they elaborate on how the mother died?  I chose to kill the sister in the game, so I didn't see that scene.  Honestly, I think Fenris had a much harder life.  Beaten, tortured, memories wiped, food/sleep deprived, treated like a lesser being (possibly raped?).  The only reason Fenris ended up in a better scenario is because he ended up meeting Hawke when he escaped.  So while he was a slave, no, I think he endured a greater hardship.

I think it was a bit whiny on the sister's part to complain about being poor (didn't realize money equaled happiness).  Anyone has the power to overcome their circumstances.  Fenris did it, albeit with the help of Hawke.  (He was on the run for like three years before he met Hawke though, if I remember correctly)

Sides, I think the sister lost any respect my Hawke might have had for her when she betrayed Fenris to become a Magister.

Modifié par Arlias, 18 mars 2011 - 06:02 .

[dandybananas]

Ryzaki wrote...

dandybananas wrote...
Never said Anders doesn't have bad experiences and I don't excuse Fenris for being a jerk either.  I understand why they dislike what they do. I like Anders. It's specifically all the stuff I mentioned that crosses the line of inappropriate that makes me mad at him. Being smug when betraying a comrade is wrong.

 

Being smug when betraying a comrade? when is Anders smug about betrayal? 

When you tell Denarius he can have Fenris during his sister quest. He says "Thought I was the only one thinking that".

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par dandybananas, 18 mars 2011 - 06:00 .

[Ryzaki]

UltiPup wrote...
Qunari. They are a very tough people. Different beliefs, customs, and a lot of people walked all over that for no reason. So some people decided the Qun was awesome. That doesn't mean we have to start killing Qunari. I am amazed they didn't rampage as soon as possible. They held for multiple years before deciding they couldn't take the insults anymore. I don't blame them for attacking. Kirkwall kinda had it coming.

Grace. Say it with me? **** Grace. Help her, give her up, nothing satisfies her. No **** kidnaps my Aveline.

One thing I don't get is when you side with Mages and you are fighting with Orsino, why the hell does he turn while you are still in the damn room? Does he not even care about Hawke? That he used her like Meredith uses you in the Templar choice? Both of them suck ass really.

Bleh. I hate the Qun. They irritate the heck out of me and I do blame them for attacking. 

Grace to me is the mage version of Alrik. A complete and utter douche who should've been killed as soon as possible. Alas unlike Alrik you can't kill her when you first meet her. BS that was. 

That to me made sense. He had lost his mind at that pint and was no longer in control of himself. The fact that he does it with hawke in the room is what makes it wallbangery to me. But then again he and Meredith balance each other out on the scales of facepalm worthy douchebaggery. 

[starfrak]

JackieDeex wrote...

Arlias wrote...

And I was happy to learn that he volunteered for the tattoos especially to free his family from slavery. It ended up being more of a hardship for his family than him despite him probably seeing it the other way around. 

How was it a hardship for his family to be freed from slavery?

Well, imagine that your whole life you've been told what to do and as long as you do what you're told you can get by alright and then all of a sudden you have to start taking care of yourself.

You have to find a job, a place to live, since slaves don't get paid you wouldn't have expirience dealing with money...

Freedom could seem pretty terrifying! Like the slave girl you meet in his Act 2 quest, she was compleately baffled and had no clue what to do. She just asks, "Are you my master now?"

I can see how something like that might be scary at first, but eventually one would overcome that and move on.  And realize... hey, I'm free.  And not a slave.  I would appreciate the sacrifice my brother had for me, rather than **** at him about it years later because I didn't want to put in the effort of taking care of myself.

Modifié par Arlias, 18 mars 2011 - 06:05 .

[Ryzaki]

dandybananas wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

dandybananas wrote...
Never said Anders doesn't have bad experiences and I don't excuse Fenris for being a jerk either.  I understand why they dislike what they do. I like Anders. It's specifically all the stuff I mentioned that crosses the line of inappropriate that makes me mad at him. Being smug when betraying a comrade is wrong.

 

Being smug when betraying a comrade? when is Anders smug about betrayal? 

When you tell Denarius he can have Fenris during his sister quest. He says "Glad I wasn't the only one thinking it".

Anders and Fenris do not like each other. There is no comradie between them. 

Them following Hawke doesn't make them friends. 

And he says "I thought I was the only one thinking that" not glad that I wasn't. 

There was no "betrayal" the two of them despised each other from day one. They made now vows implied or otherwise to work together. 

Not to mention the only one doing any betrayal in that scene would be Hawke. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2011 - 06:06 .