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[Addai]

Varania reminds me of how Fenris describes himself with his experience with the fog warriors. "It felt inevitable." I don't remember her exact wording, but it's sort of the same thing- "I had no choice." When you ask Fenris how he could do such a thing (kill the fog warriors who had taken him in), he says Hawke doesn't understand because she's never been a slave. It's only in the aftermath that he's able to make the mental break.

Edit:  Oh, I was also thinking how this seems to be something ingrained into Tevinter citizenship, too.  Danarius mentions that and in Origins when you ask Devera how she could help enslave fellow elves, she says something about being a Tevinter first and elf second.

*edited for omg typos...I really shouldn't post at work when distracted lol

Modifié par Addai67, 18 mars 2011 - 11:02 .

[lydlyd]

Hi everyone! First-time poster here in the Fenris thread and I've got a question: does anyone have a reference of Fenris' tatts underneath his armour? For the computer-savy types: is possible to view Fenris' skin texture map from the game? I want to make some Fenris fan art and I could always use my imagination for the tatts (and believe me I have. OH YES.) but an actual reference would be nice.

[Thrazesul]

Don't think his body model have any lyrium markings. Not according to the screenshot someone made a few pages back.

[ejoslin]

lydlyd wrote...

Hi everyone! First-time poster here in the Fenris thread and I've got a question: does anyone have a reference of Fenris' tatts underneath his armour? For the computer-savy types: is possible to view Fenris' skin texture map from the game? I want to make some Fenris fan art and I could always use my imagination for the tatts (and believe me I have. OH YES.) but an actual reference would be nice.

Fenris I'm sure, unclothed, has the default elf male body (since we don't see him unclothed, there's no way they would have used anything else).  You'll have to use your imagination!

[dandybananas]

lydlyd wrote...

Hi everyone! First-time poster here in the Fenris thread and I've got a question: does anyone have a reference of Fenris' tatts underneath his armour? For the computer-savy types: is possible to view Fenris' skin texture map from the game? I want to make some Fenris fan art and I could always use my imagination for the tatts (and believe me I have. OH YES.) but an actual reference would be nice.

First, gorgeous character profile pic. Second, there was a pic of Fenris in his unmentionables, but alas the tattoos did not continue on from the ones shown outside his clothing. Maybe the creators, for some crazy rerason, didn't anticipate that people would make Fenris naked so didn't bother to finish them. Only Hawke knows the pattern of his markings

[starfrak]

phyreblade74 wrote...

Arlias wrote...

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JackieDeex wrote...

Arlias wrote...

And I was happy to learn that he volunteered for the tattoos especially to free his family from slavery. It ended up being more of a hardship for his family than him despite him probably seeing it the other way around. 

How was it a hardship for his family to be freed from slavery?

Well, imagine that your whole life you've been told what to do and as long as you do what you're told you can get by alright and then all of a sudden you have to start taking care of yourself.

You have to find a job, a place to live, since slaves don't get paid you wouldn't have expirience dealing with money...

Freedom could seem pretty terrifying! Like the slave girl you meet in his Act 2 quest, she was compleately baffled and had no clue what to do. She just asks, "Are you my master now?"

I can see how something like that might be scary at first, but eventually one would overcome that and move on.  And realize... hey, I'm free.  And not a slave.  I would appreciate the sacrifice my brother had for me, rather than **** at him about it years later because I didn't want to put in the effort of taking care of myself.

You're thinking of this, as if you're suddenly free in a world like Kirkwall or Ferelden, where there IS something like opportunity for personal achievement and betterment.  If you read up on Tevinter, or just listen to Fenris as he describes it during gameplay, there simply is no such chance in that country.  There, rather, you're mired in an endless battle for supremacy, a total anarchical and chaotic game of "survival of the fittest". 

Many elves in Tevinter actually sell themselves and/or their children into slavery.  Otherwise, they starve.  There's nothing else left for them to do.  When you consider that sort of desperation as being so common a thing, it really does highlight what Fenris' sister was saying to him, when she said, "Freedom was no boon."

I recognize that it would be hard, I just don't see it as a bigger hardship than Fenris being tortured everyday.  Besides, who says they have to stay in Tevinter?  They could have migrated to Ferelden after the blight (especially since I freed the mages on my runthrough), or gone to the free marches.  It's not like they were chained to Tevinter... which is a bonus of not being a slave.  It wasn't a boon for her because she didn't take full advantage.  There is ALWAYS opportunity.  Fenris was a slave, yet he managed to escape to Kirkwall.  They were free.

She would need monies to get out of Tevinter, as she needed money from Fenris to reach Kirkwall to meet him. 

Chances are, her options were seriously limited, is all.  And not only in terms of resources but in emotional and intellectual capacity to accept the difference between slavery and freedom.  To her, the greatest thing to BE is a magister, and so that's what she aspires to be.  Fenris' freeing her seriously compromises her chances to be anything more than a pitifully poor tailor in some small city in Tevinter.  Freedom isn't some great thing, not to her.  It's no boon, and Fenris' successes, such as they are, in that he's become a powerful fighter in control of his own destiny, is far better than what she's gotten.  So she says so.

Seriously, the more I think on it, the more inclined I am to let Fenris kill her during my next PT, shrug.  Self-serving witch of woman.

I HATES HER.  When it gives me the option to either help her or not, my character is like: "Pfft, I'm not going to help you.  I would be making your case to the brother you betrayed about to shove his fist into your heart!"



'Bout the other thing, agree to disagree I guess.  I think it's true that she just didn't have the mental capacity to figure out how move on up in the world... Fenris even said he would have given her anything.  If she had come without betraying him he would have helped her, and probably my Hawke would have tossed her a few gold, maybe hired her to work in his estate.  Even though Fenris hated mages, she was his sister and he probably would have helped her out (providing she proved herself worth it by NOT betraying him!)

Anyways, if I was being a smart conniving **** I would have to see what Fenris could have done for me, and if it wasn't up to my standards I would have betrayed him to become a magister.  But that's pretty heartless.  Still, my point is that she obviously didn't end up having the mental capacity to figure out how to make it on her own, but I think that is in no way Fenris' fault, and I think it's really petty to blame him for her misfortune.

Maybe it's just from my own life experiences and things I've seen, but I'm a strong believer that ANYONE can overcome ANY hardship provided they are willing to put the work into doing so.  I'm sure she could have put herself back into slavery if she really wanted to.  She had options, and she acted like she had none... that's all I'm trying to say.

Modifié par Arlias, 18 mars 2011 - 08:05 .

[Addai]

lydlyd wrote...

Hi everyone! First-time poster here in the Fenris thread and I've got a question: does anyone have a reference of Fenris' tatts underneath his armour? For the computer-savy types: is possible to view Fenris' skin texture map from the game? I want to make some Fenris fan art and I could always use my imagination for the tatts (and believe me I have. OH YES.) but an actual reference would be nice.

OOH, a Lydlyd Fenris.    I am excite.

[NugWrangler]

I was wondering why if you let Varania live she's allowed loose in Kirkwall. She's a ruthless mage who has possibly already learned some blood magic from Danarius. She also seems weak willed enough to be easy demon prey. I would have dragged her butt to the Gallows and had her made tranquil.

In the end I just let Fenris decide what to do with her. I know it isn't the "nice" option, but my Hawke never had much patience for people who tried to have her killed (I'm looking at you Patrice!).

[Lady Jess]

What was Fenris' toast while he was drinking the wine?

edited for horrible typing fail

Modifié par Lady Jess, 18 mars 2011 - 08:13 .

[mnomaha]

@Lydlyd...Hi lyd!!! Yes, please, I love your imagination. But uh...aren't you busy working on other things? LOL

@Addai67...I agree. Very exciting!

[cin_zia]

[Double post!]

Modifié par cin_zia, 18 mars 2011 - 08:17 .

[cin_zia]

Quick question! Is Fenris's last personal quest when Hawke kills Danarius?

[Punahedan]

I'm... not sure I agree with this take on Varania. The slave Hawke can take in still acts like a slave even when she's not treated as one, even when she's paid. To be abruptly dropped - "freed" - into the streets with that mentality is difficult. Varania's saving grace may have been that she was, in fact, a mage. But even that's not all that great, considering all the **** you have to do to keep yourself safe from other magisters. And I don't imagine Danarius let her slip out of his grasp easily. After all, that's one more magister between him and any enemies, plus leverage against the slave he wants back. It's not like Leto would remember that Danarius agreed to let them go.

Plus - imagine being Varania and, after many years, being contacted by your slave brother while Danarius is looking over your shoulder. You don't have much choice even if you're "free", and the supposed slave is wandering free in the freakin' FREE MARCHES with the Champion of Kirkwall (romanced or not). That's kind of a kick in the face. I'd call that a better life than one in Tevinter.

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 18 mars 2011 - 08:22 .

[ejoslin]

I actually don't understand the point of Varania coming back. Denarius didn't need her to find Fenris -- he knew exactly where Fenris was. So even though she went to Denarius, what was the point of the whole setup?

It's not like Fenris didn't go to the Hanged Man by himself on a regular schedule for a card game, after all. Maybe Denarius wanted to give Fenris a brief moment of hope and then crush him to make him more vulnerable?

[dandybananas]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

I'm... not sure I agree with this take on Varania. The slave Hawke can take in still acts like a slave even when she's not treated as one, even when she's paid. To be abruptly dropped - "freed" - into the streets with that mentality is difficult. Varania's saving grace may have been that she was, in fact, a mage. But even that's not all that great, considering all the **** you have to do to keep yourself safe from other magisters. And I don't imagine Danarius let her slip out of his grasp easily. After all, that's one more magister between him and any enemies, plus leverage against the slave he wants back. It's not like Leto would remember that Danarius agreed to let them go.

Plus - imagine being Varania and, after many years, being contacted by your slave brother while Danarius is looking over your shoulder. You don't have much choice even if you're "free", and the supposed slave is wandering free in the freakin' FREE MARCHES with the Champion of Kirkwall (romanced or not). That's kind of a kick in the face. I'd call that a better life than one in Tevinter.

It still doesn't justify betraying your own brother who had horrible things done to him to set you free. Although my life sucks, I would have laughed in Danarius' face because he lost my brother and be happy that at least he's doing well.

[Thiefy]

ejoslin wrote...

I actually don't understand the point of Varania coming back. Denarius didn't need her to find Fenris -- he knew exactly where Fenris was. So even though she went to Denarius, what was the point of the whole setup?

It's not like Fenris didn't go to the Hanged Man by himself on a regular schedule for a card game, after all. Maybe Denarius wanted to give Fenris a brief moment of hope and then crush him to make him more vulnerable?

i think he was planning on using for something, some kind of leverage, considering the great lengthes Fenris went to get in contact with her.

[maselphie]

dandybananas wrote...

It still doesn't justify betraying your own brother who had horrible things done to him to set you free. Although my life sucks, I would have laughed in Danarius' face because he lost my brother and be happy that at least he's doing well. 

She says she envies him. There's resentment there, outside of being a mindless slave. In the same way, Fenris now resents her. They were both willing to end each other's lives.

[Punahedan]

maselphie wrote...

dandybananas wrote...

It still doesn't justify betraying your own brother who had horrible things done to him to set you free. Although my life sucks, I would have laughed in Danarius' face because he lost my brother and be happy that at least he's doing well. 

She says she envies him. There's resentment there, outside of being a mindless slave. In the same way, Fenris now resents her. They were both willing to end each other's lives.

Aye. Fenris isn't blameless, here, either. If we're going to use ourselves as examples to prove why a character is wrong, then let me say that I'd never kill a sibling even if they were willing to put me in a deadly situation.

I call her a product of her society and Danarius' bait. It may not make her a pleasant person to be around, but I don't blame her.

[pamkhat]

dirtsa90 wrote...

Regarding Fen:
Was I the only one who kept clicking on him just to hear "I'm yours"?

You're not the only one, trust me!

[tankgirly]

Wolfsong27 wrote...

Question.
I have a possible entry for the prompt this week, but it's deserving of a PG13 rating, and is about two pages long in Word.

Is that still ok to post? xD

Post it up at FFN and put a link here, with decent degree of warning.

[dirtsa90]

The way Fen told Varania that "he would have given her anything" just broke my heart.. and when he reaches his hand forward towards Hawke with that gentle puppy-eye look when she/he tells him he's not alone. It really shows the player that it is at that moment Fen realizes he can't run away from his feelings anymore IMO.

So many wonderful moments in the friendship romance  (don't know if the rivalmance is different in that particular scene)

I honestly can't recall a game where the companions touched me so deeply. Especially Fenris, I read the letter you recieve from Danarius, if you choose to betray Fenris and hand him over, where Fen's mind has been wiped again, and it just made me sad. I can't even make myself watch the scene on YouTube.

Modifié par dirtsa90, 18 mars 2011 - 09:30 .

[Lady Jess]

Ok, I can't find the scene I have tried every save and I just can't catch it. I need the Tevinter toast Fenris used while he was drinking the whine. I'm bravely trying the prompt here and it's not great but I need those words...lol

[Thrazesul]

dirtsa90 wrote...

The way Fen told Varania that "he would have given her anything" just broke my heart.. and when he reaches his hand forward towards Hawke with that gentle puppy-eye look when she/he tells him he's not alone. It really shows the player that it is at that moment Fen realizes he can't run away from his feelings anymore IMO.

So many wonderful moments in the friendship romance  (don't know if the rivalmance is different in that particular scene)

I honestly can't recall a game where the companions touched me so deeply. Especially Fenris, I read the letter you recieve from Danarius, if you choose to betray Fenris and hand him over, where Fen's mind has been wiped again, and it just made me sad. I can't even make myself watch the scene on YouTube.

He sends a letter saying that? Wow. I was probably right in not watching that scene anywhere AT ALL. I'd feel forever twisted. >.o

[dandybananas]

Lady Jess wrote...

Ok, I can't find the scene I have tried every save and I just can't catch it. I need the Tevinter toast Fenris used while he was drinking the whine. I'm bravely trying the prompt here and it's not great but I need those words...lol

Here's a link to a video with the Fenris cutscene where he drinks the wine and talks of when Danarius had to abandon him: www.youtube.com/watch Don't know if this is the exact one, but this person has a lot of Fenris videos that you can check.

Edit: This is the video with Tevinter toast. It's at 2:18

Modifié par dandybananas, 18 mars 2011 - 09:49 .

[Agka87]

Hi everyone. Could someone help me: I romanced Fenris with 100% friednhip and got rival cutscene instead. Did I do something wrong??