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[Taura-Tierno]

I always interpreted Fenris's pain as more emotional than physical, sort of, like a memory from when his markings were etched in. So he he remembers the pain whenever somebody touches him (especially by surprise), but it doesn't actually hurt, as such. So, if he has sex with someone willingly, that mental pain probably isn't much of an issue.

[jadefishes]

Whereas I always interpreted it as both physical and emotional pain. Lyrium drives even dwarves mad when it gets under their skin (remember the nutty merchant in Orzammar?) so for an elf to have it tattooed under his skin strikes me as a source of constant pain.

Imagine having uranium under your skin. Sure, maybe "magic" might help you survive it, but would it ever not hurt?

Yeah, no.

[cinderburster]

dandybananas wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

Okay, I'm officially hooked on Fenris as a LI.  I just finished his quest in Act 3 and now when I click on him while exploring, one of his responses is "I'm yours."  

That line from Zevran used to make me melt (and that's saying a lot as I'm a huge Alistair fan) and hearing Fenris say it gives me the same reaction.  Zev's delivery is still my favorite, but I'll romance Fenris again (and again) just to hear him tell my Hawke that!  LOL

@Dandy - Here's a link to the mod in question. 

Thanks so much! Alas still no shoes. Out of all the things I want bare on Fenris feet are not one of them.

I like his bare feet. >_>  His idle animation where he checks them is adorable.

[Dunizel]

Gr8pillock wrote...

Oh man, that glitch! I just did it, ended up giving up at level freakin 50 and 1700 Sovereigns...then made the mistake of making Fenris a super badass and then took him into the Fade. He nearly slaughtered everyone. If I hadn't had both Anders and myself with Revival spells, we would have been annihilated by my honey. Is it weird that I was proud of what a badass I'd created. LOL!

Even without super crazy equipment....it killed me in one swing the first time!
I had to realod, remove his gear...and still I had to run away, fast! And I had to set it on casual, I admit o.o I was an archer so maybe it didn't help but...the hell, he hurts xD

He is a powerhouse, I'm seriously thinking to not bring him this time...but there again, when he says he is sorry, it was so nice 

[Helen0rz]

@batorific

Now I feel horrible for the sex :'(

Well...because of it, it'll have be painful pleasure. What a messed up way to enjoy loving from someone you love.

@Laurelinde

That's what's interesting to me, if there's physical pain, why have a fling with Isabella? I mean the boy can have some of course but you would think if it hurts...

There's no doubt in my mind that Danarius abused him, but to what extend is what i don't want to think about

[jadefishes]

cinderburster wrote...

I like his bare feet. >_>  His idle animation where he checks them is adorable.

Same here. But I'm a hate shoes person anyway, not a foot fetishist.

[ejoslin]

Batorific wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

With the pain, if he does feel the physical kind then I think it's a memory thing because it's trauma. To me, he got glowy it's because of extreme emotions, and during he make out scene he felt strongly about Hawke and therefore the kiss happened. Also I think being ambiguous is good, leave things to the imagination and self Interpretation

actually David posted ages back that Fenris does indeed feel pain. doubly so when the tattoos are touched.  but keeping in mind its a CONSTANT pain, i'm sure he's desensitized to it to a degree.

it's pretty much going to hurt regardless, so i don't think he's that concerned about it. of course when he's touched by surprise and isn't mentally ready for it, it would be akin to someone poking you with something REALLY really hot. thus he jumps and goes to attack whatever touched him. but obviously if its hawke he wouldn't.

now if its touch he's actually READY for, its not the same. but yes, i'm sure there's an intricate post-traumatic stress disorder style side to the pain.  emotional pain.  but yeah.

Well, if the WoG says they cause him pain, and moreso when touched, then that's that.  But I agree that he must be desensitized to it, as he obviously is not going to spend the rest of his life celibate.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who doesn't see Fenris as a born-again virgin.  I found tha conversation about it very interesting as he does not mention whether he had sex at all during his time as a slave -- it's a deliberate avoiding of talking about that time period and I found that perhaps even more telling than had he said anything straight out.  I like that he didn't, though, so people can take it as they will.

One thing that is not in dispute is that when he and Hawke made love, the experience was traumatic and brought out all sorts of things he had kept buried deep.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 mars 2011 - 07:50 .

[jadefishes]

ejoslin wrote...

Batorific wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

With the pain, if he does feel the physical kind then I think it's a memory thing because it's trauma. To me, he got glowy it's because of extreme emotions, and during he make out scene he felt strongly about Hawke and therefore the kiss happened. Also I think being ambiguous is good, leave things to the imagination and self Interpretation

actually David posted ages back that Fenris does indeed feel pain. doubly so when the tattoos are touched.  but keeping in mind its a CONSTANT pain, i'm sure he's desensitized to it to a degree.

it's pretty much going to hurt regardless, so i don't think he's that concerned about it. of course when he's touched by surprise and isn't mentally ready for it, it would be akin to someone poking you with something REALLY really hot. thus he jumps and goes to attack whatever touched him. but obviously if its hawke he wouldn't.

now if its touch he's actually READY for, its not the same. but yes, i'm sure there's an intricate post-traumatic stress disorder style side to the pain.  emotional pain.  but yeah.

Well, if the WoG says they cause him pain, and moreso when touched, then that's that.  But I agree that he must be desensitized to it, as he obviously is not going to spend the rest of his life celibate.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who doesn't see Fenris as a born-again virgin.  I found tha conversation about it very interesting as he does not mention whether he had sex at all during his time as a slave -- it's a deliberate avoiding of talking about that time period and I found that perhaps even more telling than had he said anything straight out.  I like that he didn't, though, so people can take it as they will.

Ugh, Danarius' leer when talking about how the "boy is quite skilled" makes me think he's talking about far more than non-metaphorical swordplay.

[Batorific]

ejoslin wrote...

I'm glad I'm not the only person who doesn't see Fenris as a born-again virgin.  I found tha conversation about it very interesting as he does not mention whether he had sex at all during his time as a slave -- it's a deliberate avoiding of talking about that time period and I found that perhaps even more telling than had he said anything straight out.  I like that he didn't, though, so people can take it as they will.

you know i always interpretted that conversation as a "you've never had a boyfriend/girlfriend?" more than the sex thing.  he's never been close to anyone. maybe he never had sex since escaping as well but i think that dialogue was in a strict romantic context.

Modifié par Batorific, 21 mars 2011 - 07:53 .

[ejoslin]

jadefishes wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Batorific wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

With the pain, if he does feel the physical kind then I think it's a memory thing because it's trauma. To me, he got glowy it's because of extreme emotions, and during he make out scene he felt strongly about Hawke and therefore the kiss happened. Also I think being ambiguous is good, leave things to the imagination and self Interpretation

actually David posted ages back that Fenris does indeed feel pain. doubly so when the tattoos are touched.  but keeping in mind its a CONSTANT pain, i'm sure he's desensitized to it to a degree.

it's pretty much going to hurt regardless, so i don't think he's that concerned about it. of course when he's touched by surprise and isn't mentally ready for it, it would be akin to someone poking you with something REALLY really hot. thus he jumps and goes to attack whatever touched him. but obviously if its hawke he wouldn't.

now if its touch he's actually READY for, its not the same. but yes, i'm sure there's an intricate post-traumatic stress disorder style side to the pain.  emotional pain.  but yeah.

Well, if the WoG says they cause him pain, and moreso when touched, then that's that.  But I agree that he must be desensitized to it, as he obviously is not going to spend the rest of his life celibate.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who doesn't see Fenris as a born-again virgin.  I found tha conversation about it very interesting as he does not mention whether he had sex at all during his time as a slave -- it's a deliberate avoiding of talking about that time period and I found that perhaps even more telling than had he said anything straight out.  I like that he didn't, though, so people can take it as they will.

Ugh, Danarius' leer when talking about how the "boy is quite skilled" makes me think he's talking about far more than non-metaphorical swordplay.

I got that impression as well, because of the snarky way he said it.  And it fits with Fenris not mentioning sex when he was a slave. I think it's why he only talks about before his markings and after he escaped. However, I've seen it argued that Denarius is lying to humiliate Fenris.  But why the tiptoe around his sex life (or lack thereof) as a slave?

He never had the degree of intimacy as he did with Hawke no matter what.

[Tasmen]

jadefishes wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Batorific wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

With the pain, if he does feel the physical kind then I think it's a memory thing because it's trauma. To me, he got glowy it's because of extreme emotions, and during he make out scene he felt strongly about Hawke and therefore the kiss happened. Also I think being ambiguous is good, leave things to the imagination and self Interpretation

actually David posted ages back that Fenris does indeed feel pain. doubly so when the tattoos are touched.  but keeping in mind its a CONSTANT pain, i'm sure he's desensitized to it to a degree.

it's pretty much going to hurt regardless, so i don't think he's that concerned about it. of course when he's touched by surprise and isn't mentally ready for it, it would be akin to someone poking you with something REALLY really hot. thus he jumps and goes to attack whatever touched him. but obviously if its hawke he wouldn't.

now if its touch he's actually READY for, its not the same. but yes, i'm sure there's an intricate post-traumatic stress disorder style side to the pain.  emotional pain.  but yeah.

Well, if the WoG says they cause him pain, and moreso when touched, then that's that.  But I agree that he must be desensitized to it, as he obviously is not going to spend the rest of his life celibate.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who doesn't see Fenris as a born-again virgin.  I found tha conversation about it very interesting as he does not mention whether he had sex at all during his time as a slave -- it's a deliberate avoiding of talking about that time period and I found that perhaps even more telling than had he said anything straight out.  I like that he didn't, though, so people can take it as they will.

Ugh, Danarius' leer when talking about how the "boy is quite skilled" makes me think he's talking about far more than non-metaphorical swordplay.

Same.  Danarius was just creepy and I definitely got that feeling from the way in which he looked and spoke.

So yeah, I guess Fenris /is/ feeling pain from those markings.  Well that's good to know!

[ejoslin]

Batorific wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I'm glad I'm not the only person who doesn't see Fenris as a born-again virgin.  I found tha conversation about it very interesting as he does not mention whether he had sex at all during his time as a slave -- it's a deliberate avoiding of talking about that time period and I found that perhaps even more telling than had he said anything straight out.  I like that he didn't, though, so people can take it as they will.

you know i always interpretted that conversation as a "you've never had a boyfriend/girlfriend?" more than the sex thing.  he's never been close to anyone. maybe he never had sex since escaping as well but i think that dialogue was in a strict romantic context.

YES!  That is exactly how I see it, but you state it so much better than I do.

[Tasmen]

ejoslin wrote...
I got that impression as well, because of the snarky way he said it.  And it fits with Fenris not mentioning sex when he was a slave. I think it's why he only talks about before his markings and after he escaped. However, I've seen it argued that Denarius is lying to humiliate Fenris.  But why the tiptoe around his sex life (or lack thereof) as a slave?

He never had the degree of intimacy as he did with Hawke no matter what.

I've seen the lie theory before and I'm not so sure about it.  Almost as if that sort of comment would be beneath Denarius to make.  He needn't stoop to such things to get his 'pet' back.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

Did anyone notice that Fenris has beard stubble/shadow, even though he says to Varric he can't grow a beard because he's an elf ?

[Batorific]

ejoslin wrote...

YES!  That is exactly how I see it, but you state it so much better than I do.

well i'm glad to articulate your thoughts then.  i don't think there's much point dwelling on the sexual side of the fenris romance since with him, its the emotional experience more than anything. 

feelings of real love and affection caused his panic.  maybe it brought back his memories because he'd only known his own misery til that point.  maybe a strong positive emotion sparked the memories of others, and sort of lifted the fog on his mind left by the pain and trauma.

of course it scared him half to death and quickly blanketed it all back under said fog.

Modifié par Batorific, 21 mars 2011 - 08:03 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Dunizel wrote...

Gr8pillock wrote...

Oh man, that glitch! I just did it, ended up giving up at level freakin 50 and 1700 Sovereigns...then made the mistake of making Fenris a super badass and then took him into the Fade. He nearly slaughtered everyone. If I hadn't had both Anders and myself with Revival spells, we would have been annihilated by my honey. Is it weird that I was proud of what a badass I'd created. LOL!

Even without super crazy equipment....it killed me in one swing the first time!
I had to realod, remove his gear...and still I had to run away, fast! And I had to set it on casual, I admit o.o I was an archer so maybe it didn't help but...the hell, he hurts xD

He is a powerhouse, I'm seriously thinking to not bring him this time...but there again, when he says he is sorry, it was so nice 

Oh, Fenris has turned on me, well that's alright I'll just cross class....(notices Fen is my only warrior)....combo. Oh dear.

Here's a question, the Pride Demon in the Night Terrors quest tempts Fenris with the chance to face Danarius as an equal. The question that I have is would that have involved Fenris obtaining full-on magehood?

[ejoslin]

Tasmen wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
I got that impression as well, because of the snarky way he said it.  And it fits with Fenris not mentioning sex when he was a slave. I think it's why he only talks about before his markings and after he escaped. However, I've seen it argued that Denarius is lying to humiliate Fenris.  But why the tiptoe around his sex life (or lack thereof) as a slave?

He never had the degree of intimacy as he did with Hawke no matter what.

I've seen the lie theory before and I'm not so sure about it.  Almost as if that sort of comment would be beneath Denarius to make.  He needn't stoop to such things to get his 'pet' back.

I don't agree with it at all, but it's not worth arguing either.  If you see Fenris as not remembering sex at all, then Denarius has to be lying.  If you see it as Fenris talking about being close with someone, trusting and caring, then what Denarius says can be taken as truth. 

But that is also where the ambiguity is good.  Both points of view are valid, because there are enough blanks that you can make either make sense.  Of course, I think the way I see it is THE right way, but, well, that's just me anyway

Batorific wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

YES!  That is exactly how I see it, but you state it so much better than I do.

well i'm glad to articulate your thoughts then.  i don't think there's much point dwelling on the sexual side of the fenris romance since with him, its the emotional experience more than anything.  

feelings of real love and affection caused his panic.  maybe it brought back his memories because he'd only known his own misery til that point.  maybe a strong positive emotion sparked the memories of others, and sort of lifted the fog on his mind left by the pain and trauma.

of course it scared him half to death and quickly blanketed it all back under said fog.

More agreement here.  He couldn't handle all that came with feeling again.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 mars 2011 - 08:13 .

[tankgirly]

@Dr. Doctor. Fenris does not have magical ability. So he's not an mage.

[DemonSaya]

To those bringing Fenris with you into the Fade, there is a potion you can buy that drops his strength, etc, back to level 1 (Maker's Sigh, I think). They're available in act 1 at the Black Emporium. Feed him one right before you go to take on the pride demon. It makes the fight MUCH easier.

[Helen0rz]

@Tasmen

I'm with you. He simply avoided 'during my slave days' part. Hawke asked the question and he answered truthful; to his knowledge he's never been with anyone. Danarius's abuse is no intimacy, it's abuse. He's not going oh 'oh hey, you know what else Danarius did?', it not something anyone would just cone out and say.

It's more humiliating to have Danarius being snarky like that if the abuse took place. They were in The Hanged Man!

It would be great if David can confirm Fenris's slave days and I hope only stuff like beating, no food and stuff happened and not other creepy stuff

[Thrazesul]

Yes, Fenris does have a darker shade that looks like stubble... but it cant be since he says himself that elves don't grow beards. Might just be shadows. Who knows!

And aye, Fenris once one hitted both Anders and Varric in the fade at my Hard runthrough. Had to lower it to casual afterwards to beat him... reminds me to never land on his bad side. o.o

[DemonSaya]

Helen0rz wrote...

@Tasmen

I'm with you. He simply avoided 'during my slave days' part. Hawke asked the question and he answered truthful; to his knowledge he's never been with anyone. Danarius's abuse is no intimacy, it's abuse. He's not going oh 'oh hey, you know what else Danarius did?', it not something anyone would just cone out and say.

It's more humiliating to have Danarius being snarky like that if the abuse took place. They were in The Hanged Man!

It would be great if David can confirm Fenris's slave days and I hope only stuff like beating, no food and stuff happened and not other creepy stuff

You notice how freaking pissed off he gets about that comment, too?  "Shut up, Danarius!"

Poor Fenris  

[Tasmen]

Batorific wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

YES!  That is exactly how I see it, but you state it so much better than I do.

well i'm glad to articulate your thoughts then.  i don't think there's much point dwelling on the sexual side of the fenris romance since with him, its the emotional experience more than anything. 

feelings of real love and affection caused his panic.  maybe it brought back his memories because he'd only known his own misery til that point.  maybe a strong positive emotion sparked the memories of others, and sort of lifted the fog on his mind left by the pain and trauma.

of course it scared him half to death and quickly blanketed it all back under said fog.

This is exactly how I perceive it.  In my mind, it's mildly like the Angel/Angelus transformation and  'one moment of pure happiness'.  It's enough to bring back in a wave of memory that had been repressed and it scares the bejeezus out of Fenris.

He'd been happy once before when with the fog warriors and all that got taken away by the reappearance of Denarius.  I could see Fenris being afraid of something like that happening again and how it would be so much worse this time around because he's actually feeling things for Hawke.  

[starfrak]

regarding the glitch... I can't get it to work. I'm playing the PC version, and i mage, what's the button to pull my weapons out? I usually just heal myself and run up the NPC, but I'm having issues.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

Nerana wrote...

Yes, Fenris does have a darker shade that looks like stubble... but it cant be since he says himself that elves don't grow beards. Might just be shadows. Who knows!

I think it's stubble since he also has beard stubble in his concept art. Just a minor detail though, but I like it, it's manly ^^.