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[ejoslin]

Tasmen wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

But but but...  In a rivalmance, they're not friends. They fight, they argue, they disagree on everything.  

Also, as I said, some of her comments make it sound like they ARE a couple.  "Wherever it leads, I hope it means we'll stay together." doesn't sound like it comes from someone who is hoping they get back together -- it sounds like it's coming from someone who doesn't want to break up.  Even "I understand.  I've always understood." could mean Hawke understood why he didn't want to talk about it.  While he does confirm to Anders in act 2 that he left Hawke, he still comes back when she needs him.

Plus, again, when you have Fenris jealous over Zevran even if you haven't finished "Alone", that borders on creepy if they're NOT together, even if not in the intense way that they were before.

I don't know.  I can see lots of ways that they could not be together during those three years.  You can have uncomfortable awkwardness a plenty and not be a couple.  I agree the comments may lend to thinking they are still together, but I suppose, at least for me, I'm not buying it.

You can still be around someone and not be involved and that is what I imagined happened between the two of them.   They aren't 'friends' but that doesn't mean they don't still do things together (like missions, etc.) or see each other.  Given how close it appears Fenris is with some of the other companions, I imagine there would be some social overlap there.

Three years, though.  That's a long time.  And the jealousy over Zevran -- that just is weird if they're not a couple.  Gah.  Need... more... romance... dialog!  and also, "Wherever it leads, I hope we stay together."  

*sigh* Head canon.  Yep, I'm going to stick with mine

Edit: I guess i have to because I cannot see myself pining over anyone for 3 years, hoping they'll come around.  Nor can I see being jealous about someone I dumped three years ago and remained at an awkward distance.  Those are so far outside of my life experience that it just makes no sense to me.  Three years of pining/still getting jealous is just way too much.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 mars 2011 - 09:03 .

[Helen0rz]

@DemonSaya

I almost clapped when Fenris reached his hand inside Danarius and messed up his innards.

@ejoslin

I had a hard time reconciling that part too and I have to come up with stuff to ease my mind. I tok it as the relationship was in a stand still. Like you or someone said about the codex, he didn't want to talk about it and left Hawke hanging. They were no longer together (and technically wasn't anyways) but there were unresolved feeling like the codex said, evident by the comments by Leandra and other party banters. I'm sure it was pretty awkward for the both of them, esp Hawke since I think my Hawke longs for Fenrks to come around but the ball was in his court. Someone here brought up how maybe he had to make sure Danarius is dead before he can truly move on and be with Hawke burdenr free (more or less). He love Hawke, but perhaps he had to let things go first

[Helen0rz]

And 3 years is a long time, but if none of them moved on from those 3 years...guess it's true love?

[ejoslin]

Helen0rz wrote...

And 3 years is a long time, but if none of them moved on from those 3 years...guess it's true love?

Three years, not moving on, Hawke hoping they "stay together," Fenris getting jealous.  Sounds like a relationship with something major not being talked about to me

Ah well, that's the beauty of a single player game with a story with a lot of blanks to fill in.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

RosaAquafire wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

Oh and I should note this was friendshipmancing. SO maybe that makes a difference? If you Rival, it's all or nothing but if you friendship you can have a little play on the side first?

My friend is definitely in a friendship romance, not a rivalry.

I was wrong, btw, she hadn't flirted with Anders at all. So her only other entanglement was with 'Bela, who she told it was just casual with after they slept together. She says there was no broken heart option on the dialogue wheel, though, just choice ones. Maybe the flag it setting wrong?

Gah, lame. You should totally be able to bang Isabela and then Fenris, if you can bang Anders and then Fenris.

Anyone know a way to "break up" with Isabela?

I kissed Anders and had sexy-time with Isabela before Fenris, didn't choose any 'heart-break' option with either of them and was still able to complete Fenris' romance.

[dandybananas]

Balthamoss wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

Oh and I should note this was friendshipmancing. SO maybe that makes a difference? If you Rival, it's all or nothing but if you friendship you can have a little play on the side first?

My friend is definitely in a friendship romance, not a rivalry.

I was wrong, btw, she hadn't flirted with Anders at all. So her only other entanglement was with 'Bela, who she told it was just casual with after they slept together. She says there was no broken heart option on the dialogue wheel, though, just choice ones. Maybe the flag it setting wrong?

Gah, lame. You should totally be able to bang Isabela and then Fenris, if you can bang Anders and then Fenris.

Anyone know a way to "break up" with Isabela?

I kissed Anders and had sexy-time with Isabela before Fenris, didn't choose any 'heart-break' option with either of them and was still able to complete Fenris' romance.

Nothing makes sense anymore :mellow:I guess Fenris just has to be in a good mood <_

[Lady Jess]

DemonSaya wrote...



I'm pretty sure what happens is he freaks out and wants to 'back off'.  He probably does try at first to be 'broken up', but I don't imagine it lasted long.  I think it's entirely possible that Hawke spent those three years chipping away at his barriers, until he caved.  For all we know there were lots of 'near misses', where they got close to having a replay of act two romance during those three years, but either he or she backed off because of what happened the last time.

I agree with this. Even in rivalry. That fade to black after Leandra's quest, with him sitting on the bed is very open to interpretation. I don't think there was any nookie goin on there, but I wouldn't eliminate a little comfort beyond what we see.

I mean my mage is always nice with him, never anything but the "nice" dialogs. It's him that gets a bit tempermental at times, but he does always settle down.

[Addai]

Helen0rz wrote...

@DemonSaya

I almost clapped when Fenris reached his hand inside Danarius and messed up his innards.

They did those crucial scenes really well.  I think Hadriana's is powerful, too.  I disliked it when in ME the camera would zoom in on someone's mouth or something, obviously going for drama, but a little too obviously.  To say nothing of Miranda's posterior.  Whereas the camera work in DA is more subtle but so good nonetheless.  Like this little moment, where you're wondering whether or not he's really going to let her go, and he's giving Hadriana this death stare.

[Helen0rz]

@ejoslin

Oh yeah it's definitely that no doubt. Fenris is the on that point Hawke in that spot but it is also up to Hawke(you) to decide is you're willing to wait or not. Well technically the writers made you wait...waiting sucks when the guy isright there and you can't have him (regardless of the reasons). I did that twice, one for a year and I gave up because it was just a complete waste of time and the othe was...5 months? Realistically speaking, if you have to wait for someone to get their crap together an the wait is more than a year...that's a waste of time. If this Fen and Hawke deal is real and I'm in hawke's position, I'd have probably confronted during those 3 year gap and demand an explanation, or even the status of our relationship. If he can't give me an answer, I'm sorry...but I'm not goon to sit around, watching from afar 'hoping for the best'

[Helen0rz]

@addai

That's my fav shot of him

[Shockwave Pulsar]

dandybananas wrote...

Balthamoss wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

Oh and I should note this was friendshipmancing. SO maybe that makes a difference? If you Rival, it's all or nothing but if you friendship you can have a little play on the side first?

My friend is definitely in a friendship romance, not a rivalry.

I was wrong, btw, she hadn't flirted with Anders at all. So her only other entanglement was with 'Bela, who she told it was just casual with after they slept together. She says there was no broken heart option on the dialogue wheel, though, just choice ones. Maybe the flag it setting wrong?

Gah, lame. You should totally be able to bang Isabela and then Fenris, if you can bang Anders and then Fenris.

Anyone know a way to "break up" with Isabela?

I kissed Anders and had sexy-time with Isabela before Fenris, didn't choose any 'heart-break' option with either of them and was still able to complete Fenris' romance.

Nothing makes sense anymore :mellow:I guess Fenris just has to be in a good mood <_

I guess the romances are just buggy, just like in Origins, in my epilogue I got a double layered voice-over, one saying that I'm with Fenris and the other saying I'm with Isabela...

[Tasmen]

@addai I have to agree about the animations in the game. They were simply amazing

[dandybananas]

Balthamoss wrote...

dandybananas wrote...

Balthamoss wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

Oh and I should note this was friendshipmancing. SO maybe that makes a difference? If you Rival, it's all or nothing but if you friendship you can have a little play on the side first?

My friend is definitely in a friendship romance, not a rivalry.

I was wrong, btw, she hadn't flirted with Anders at all. So her only other entanglement was with 'Bela, who she told it was just casual with after they slept together. She says there was no broken heart option on the dialogue wheel, though, just choice ones. Maybe the flag it setting wrong?

Gah, lame. You should totally be able to bang Isabela and then Fenris, if you can bang Anders and then Fenris.

Anyone know a way to "break up" with Isabela?

I kissed Anders and had sexy-time with Isabela before Fenris, didn't choose any 'heart-break' option with either of them and was still able to complete Fenris' romance.

Nothing makes sense anymore :mellow:I guess Fenris just has to be in a good mood <_

I guess the romances are just buggy, just like in Origins, in my epilogue I got a double layered voice-over, one saying that I'm with Fenris and the other saying I'm with Isabela...

You two timer you! So glad I have not had somethinhg bug out on me...yet.

@addai
That is exactly how I want Fenris to look at my Hawke before he pounces on him and Fenris mauls him with his love. He is so sexy when he's mad.

[Tigress M]

Not sure if this helps or if it's just a bug, but...

At the beginning of Act 3, after I completed Fenris' quest but before I went back to talk to him, I heard a party banter between Anders and Fenris where Anders makes some comment about how he doesn't know what Hawke sees in Fenris and Fenris replies, saying something about "It's over." When I heard that, my heart sunk, thinking that I'd screwed up the romance so I rushed to Fenris' mansion and we talked. During that talk he explained why he'd pushed Hawke away and it ended in a lovely kiss (agreeing the animations are awesome!) and now things seem fine.

So that made me think that maybe it was "kinda" over for those three years while Fenris got his head screwed on straight.

But, then I got another scene, an actual cutscene this time, when heading down to the sewers to do Anders' gathering quest. In this scene Anders tells Hawke he doesn't understand what she sees in Fenris and Hawke has the options of either telling him he doesn't know Fenris like she does OR she can tell him it's over between them. I didn't get THIS at all since it's clearly NOT over with Fenris still wearing her favors and saying all those lovely things when I click on him while exploring.

[Lady Jess]

Helen0rz wrote...

@ejoslin

Oh yeah it's definitely that no doubt. Fenris is the on that point Hawke in that spot but it is also up to Hawke(you) to decide is you're willing to wait or not. Well technically the writers made you wait...waiting sucks when the guy isright there and you can't have him (regardless of the reasons). I did that twice, one for a year and I gave up because it was just a complete waste of time and the othe was...5 months? Realistically speaking, if you have to wait for someone to get their crap together an the wait is more than a year...that's a waste of time. If this Fen and Hawke deal is real and I'm in hawke's position, I'd have probably confronted during those 3 year gap and demand an explanation, or even the status of our relationship. If he can't give me an answer, I'm sorry...but I'm not goon to sit around, watching from afar 'hoping for the best'

The way I played Kathryn up to the 3 yr point didn't have her waiting around. She'd just suffered enough loss at that point (Bethany, Carver, now Fenris) that she didn't want bothered with the risk and avoided any further relationships. The one time she did lose control was with Anders and that went nowhere when he insulted Fenris and she sent him packing. After losing Leandra, and Fenris showing up, I figure things started back up then...slowly.

[Helen0rz]

@tigress

I got that too and THAT confused me too. So maybe we were suppose to do Anders's query first first before before Fenris's?

So many ssssssss

[ejoslin]

Tigress M wrote...

Not sure if this helps or if it's just a bug, but...

At the beginning of Act 3, after I completed Fenris' quest but before I went back to talk to him, I heard a party banter between Anders and Fenris where Anders makes some comment about how he doesn't know what Hawke sees in Fenris and Fenris replies, saying something about "It's over." When I heard that, my heart sunk, thinking that I'd screwed up the romance so I rushed to Fenris' mansion and we talked. During that talk he explained why he'd pushed Hawke away and it ended in a lovely kiss (agreeing the animations are awesome!) and now things seem fine.

So that made me think that maybe it was "kinda" over for those three years while Fenris got his head screwed on straight.

But, then I got another scene, an actual cutscene this time, when heading down to the sewers to do Anders' gathering quest. In this scene Anders tells Hawke he doesn't understand what she sees in Fenris and Hawke has the options of either telling him he doesn't know Fenris like she does OR she can tell him it's over between them. I didn't get THIS at all since it's clearly NOT over with Fenris still wearing her favors and saying all those lovely things when I click on him while exploring.

Yeh, that banter happens any time after the big scene.  I normally travel wtih both of them, so I got it in act 2.  You also will have Merrill talking about how Fenris is in love with Hawke any time after that scene and Fenris denying it, even after everything is acknowledged between them.

I think the scene with Anders is a bit more telling than the banter between Fenris and Anders just because it HAS to happen in act 3 (same with the Zevran jealousy).  

Edit: It really can go either way. If I really HAD to guess, I'd think the writers meant for it to be the pining.  But it just makes so little sense, especially with much of the dialog in act 3.  The codex does make it clear that the only reason he's staying in Kirkwall is he feels indebted to Hawke.

I have the head-canon to reconcile what makes zero sense to me, however.  And with the dialogs that suggest that they ARE a couple triggering no matter what the status is between Fenris and Hawke, I'm not even sure that they're supposed to be pining.  

Perhaps The Evil One just wanted to drive us fangirls crazy wondering about it (I fangirl over David Gaider, I won't lie).

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 mars 2011 - 09:51 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Hey guys!!
Still haven't completed DA2. And I am going for the Fenris loving. I have heard, however, that there are lots of different little things you need to do to get it just right.

So, I have just done the 'Alone' quest and got him to spare his sister. I've already had some lovely pash with him, and got him into bed. But I still haven't maxed out on his friendship (which is the direction I'm heading for.)

Is there any tips you guys could give me to help me get the romance just right on my first playthrough please? Just so I get it right

[Tasmen]

ejoslin wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

Oh and I should note this was friendshipmancing. SO maybe that makes a difference? If you Rival, it's all or nothing but if you friendship you can have a little play on the side first?

I'll try it this playthrough which is a rivalmance.  I bet it works, though I'll feel crappy about doing that to Anders.  I think he's insane, but he deserves better than THAT.

I felt bad about doing it to Anders because he really is super super hurt when you do it, but I did it anyway under the pretense of playing a douchy dude.  I won't do it again because yeah, it was sort of rough.

[Tasmen]

Lady Jess wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

@ejoslin

Oh yeah it's definitely that no doubt. Fenris is the on that point Hawke in that spot but it is also up to Hawke(you) to decide is you're willing to wait or not. Well technically the writers made you wait...waiting sucks when the guy isright there and you can't have him (regardless of the reasons). I did that twice, one for a year and I gave up because it was just a complete waste of time and the othe was...5 months? Realistically speaking, if you have to wait for someone to get their crap together an the wait is more than a year...that's a waste of time. If this Fen and Hawke deal is real and I'm in hawke's position, I'd have probably confronted during those 3 year gap and demand an explanation, or even the status of our relationship. If he can't give me an answer, I'm sorry...but I'm not goon to sit around, watching from afar 'hoping for the best'

The way I played Kathryn up to the 3 yr point didn't have her waiting around. She'd just suffered enough loss at that point (Bethany, Carver, now Fenris) that she didn't want bothered with the risk and avoided any further relationships. The one time she did lose control was with Anders and that went nowhere when he insulted Fenris and she sent him packing. After losing Leandra, and Fenris showing up, I figure things started back up then...slowly.

I like this reasoning there.  Hawke certainly has been through a lot that point in time.  So much death.  So many people important to her gone.  She/He has their own demons to work through.

[ejoslin]

Tasmen wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

@ejoslin

Oh yeah it's definitely that no doubt. Fenris is the on that point Hawke in that spot but it is also up to Hawke(you) to decide is you're willing to wait or not. Well technically the writers made you wait...waiting sucks when the guy isright there and you can't have him (regardless of the reasons). I did that twice, one for a year and I gave up because it was just a complete waste of time and the othe was...5 months? Realistically speaking, if you have to wait for someone to get their crap together an the wait is more than a year...that's a waste of time. If this Fen and Hawke deal is real and I'm in hawke's position, I'd have probably confronted during those 3 year gap and demand an explanation, or even the status of our relationship. If he can't give me an answer, I'm sorry...but I'm not goon to sit around, watching from afar 'hoping for the best'

The way I played Kathryn up to the 3 yr point didn't have her waiting around. She'd just suffered enough loss at that point (Bethany, Carver, now Fenris) that she didn't want bothered with the risk and avoided any further relationships. The one time she did lose control was with Anders and that went nowhere when he insulted Fenris and she sent him packing. After losing Leandra, and Fenris showing up, I figure things started back up then...slowly.

I like this reasoning there.  Hawke certainly has been through a lot that point in time.  So much death.  So many people important to her gone.  She/He has their own demons to work through.

Yes yes, me too.  Makes so much more sense than pining for three years!  And makes the dialogs in act 3 where people talk about them as a couple make sense.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 mars 2011 - 09:53 .

[Tasmen]

ejoslin wrote...

Perhaps The Evil One just wanted to drive us fangirls crazy wondering about it (I fangirl over David Gaider, I won't lie).

You may be onto something there.  I do believe one of his favorite things to sup on are fangirl tears.

[Lady Jess]

Tasmen wrote...

You may be onto something there.  I do believe one of his favorite things to sup on are fangirl tears.

Now you know what to put in the next snowglobe...

[Thrazesul]

Ey, did you guys know you can have Fenris "talk" to Gascard dupais... (dont ask me to spell that) if you find him after your mother is dead, and if you used him to find her to start with.

Yay, I love these new scenes one keeps on finding! Recorded it if anyone wants me to upload it.

[dandybananas]

Nerana wrote...

Ey, did you guys know you can have Fenris "talk" to Gascard dupais... (dont ask me to spell that) if you find him after your mother is dead, and if you used him to find her to start with.

Yay, I love these new scenes one keeps on finding! Recorded it if anyone wants me to upload it.

Yes please! The way he makes them talk is sexy <3