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[Tanathir]

A lot of fantasy languages borrow heavily from Latin.  I don't know why, maybe because Latin was still spoken more often in Medieval times and many many fantasy settings are vaguely Medieval.  If they don't borrow heavily from Danish (Tolkien) or Eastern European/Slovakian (Noble Dead series by the Hendees) then it's highly likely the language creators looked to Latin.

Does anyone else get this kind of broken record brain where you design similar looking Hawkes again and again, or at least have a Fen-romance with the same-looking Hawke?  I tend to develop OTPs or just prefer the same Hawke design over and over.

[SurrealSadi]

DemonSaya wrote...

senorfuzzylips wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Does anyone have trouble with achieving full friendship or full rivalry with Fenris without going completely out of character?

It seems like if you're pro mages, then you also have to be pro slavery and a total dick to be full rival.

And if you're going friend, and you're actually nice to him you have to be completely anti-mages

The trick to getting friendships and rivalries where you want them is to choose the right party for how you're going to play a particular quest. If you don't want friendship points, don't bring Fenris on a quest where you know you're going to get 10/15 friendship points for sending mages to the circle. And you don't have to be pro-slavery; Fenris usually gets pissed if you do anything other than immediately attack slavers, so you can try to negotiate with them before killing them for some rivalry too.

But in general, Fenris's sticking point is mages, so if you want to be his rival, you're going to have to make pro-mage choices. I wouldn't worry about the 5 friendship points you may get here and there for having an "in character" conversation with him when you can easily get 10/15 rivalry points for letting a mage free, or giving Merrill her knife, or making a comment that doesn't condemn mages, etc.

Once you get to a certain level of rivalry, giving gifts and whatnot goes towards rivalry points no matter how you respond anyway.

There's this sad part of me that's getting weepy because I loved how sweet he is during the friendmance...>.<;

Think of it this way: By knowing just how violent the rivalmance is, you can love the friendmance more.


@Tanathir: Yes, I have a problem with this. All my FemWardens looked similar, no matter how hard I tried to make them look different. My first 2 Lady Hawkes look similar, but this current Lady Hawke(Mitha), looks different.

Modifié par SurrealSadi, 22 mars 2011 - 12:41 .

[silver-crescent]

He is much harder to manipulate than other characters though, especially on a first playthrough. I currently have everyone either at max friendship or almost there (except Carver who is at max rivalry) and Fenris is still sitting at 50% rivalry or less

BTW are there any differences between romancing Fenris as a male and as a female, save for that line M!Hawke says after sleeping with him?

[TheComfyCat]

DemonSaya wrote...

There's this sad part of me that's getting weepy because I loved how sweet he is during the friendmance...>.<;

I loved the passion of the rivalmance, but I do think he seems more, eh, stable (emotionally), and happier, in a friendmance.

[Addai]

DemonSaya wrote...

There's this sad part of me that's getting weepy because I loved how sweet he is during the friendmance...>.<;

But it's so freakin hot. 

[Tasmen]

Batorific wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I think the sex pushed him over.  Again, he definitely had feelings beforehand, strong STRONG feelings.  But it was actually making love that pushed him over, opened up his feelings, and completely overwhelmed him.

i fully agree on that point. i just didnt want others to dwindle it down to the "sex=love" cliche.  for one that fancies himself a Stand And Fight sort of guy, he mostly just runs away from his problems.  at least the sort he can't hit with a blade or FENRIS PAAAAWNCH.

i think the point of him giving Hawke the 3 year dead-silence about that night was because he didn't want to face those feelings. pain, for him, is something he knows how to deal with.  its his ever-constant companion.  so making her impatient or making her outright hate him is much easier to cope with than the idea of reaching out again.

its a sort of "I want you to hate me, but i want you to chase me" paradox.  after his sister betrays him, he realizes he WANTS someone to care about more than anything.  be it friends, or specifically in a romance, Hawke.  the idea of being Alone suddenly becomes far scarier than the closeness.

Ok, you just said everything I've been feeling and more probably better than I could have said it.  Go you!

[ThatDancingTurian]

SurrealSadi wrote...

Think of it this way: By knowing just how violent the rivalmance is, you can love the friendmance more.

How is it violent? There's just a lot more sniping.

[SurrealSadi]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Think of it this way: By knowing just how violent the rivalmance is, you can love the friendmance more.

How is it violent? There's just a lot more sniping.

Words can be violent.

[ejoslin]

senorfuzzylips wrote...

DemonSaya wrote...

There's this sad part of me that's getting weepy because I loved how sweet he is during the friendmance...>.<;

I loved the passion of the rivalmance, but I do think he seems more, eh, stable (emotionally), and happier, in a friendmance.

I think a friendmance is better for him (he learns to read, he isn't as angry) but at the same time, there's a freedom of feeling like you can be completely against what he stands for, and still have something... wonderful.

[WMRina]

senorfuzzylips wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I definitely think the first sexytime is when he without a doubt falls in love. I think that's what opened the floodgates of feelings, which he desperately tries to stem. That Hawke tried to talk about it later and he refused further reinforces that for me.

I agree. I think he still has too much other baggage to really accept his feelings, hence his desire to back off (Zevran? lol). I think he was attracted to Hawke before that point, but sex with Hawke is certainly more intimate than flirting with her/him.

I also agree that they're not exactly broken up over the three years (in my head canon, anyway). They would have spent time together, so I image them still being very close (even if they don't have sex). More than friends, lots of tension, but no sex is pretty much how I was thinking.

I could also see another scenario, with Hawke trying to move on but being hung up on Fenris. It's not like Fenris is the type of character that you can force into a conversation he doesn't want to have, especially if Hawke is afraid he might just leave Kirkwall if she keeps pushing him. I suppose with a three year gap there's a lot of room for the player to fill it in as desired.

And to the Zev fans, how surprising was it to hear Fenris say, "I am yours"?

Glorious. 



When I heard him say that the first time I went HOLY ~**%(*$*$) ON A ##%%^ SANDWHICH!  <3:wub:<3  What a wonderful suprise.  Swoon worthy, I nearly had a broody baby in his honor right there on my couch.  XD  Then of course I had to click on him another 50 times to hear it repeatedly.

http://l-userpic.liv...826223/14891210

Oh Fenris.  And hello again my fellow Fenatics!  I have returned, head over heels for Dragon Age II (and of course our lovable elf).  I have missed you all.  I have to say that playing as a Rogue was definitely tops, especially playing as awkward/charming/sarcastic Hawke! LMFAO at her lines every 5 seconds.  'Twas so much fun, going to start a 2nd playthrough soon.   

Modifié par WMRina, 22 mars 2011 - 12:55 .

[dandybananas]

silver-crescent wrote...

He is much harder to manipulate than other characters though, especially on a first playthrough. I currently have everyone either at max friendship or almost there (except Carver who is at max rivalry) and Fenris is still sitting at 50% rivalry or less

BTW are there any differences between romancing Fenris as a male and as a female, save for that line M!Hawke says after sleeping with him?

From my playthrough and all other DA2 Fenris related videos I've seen I haven't seen anything specifically for a male/ female Hawke except the one after sleeping with him. Ummm mHawke says "It can be a lot to take in" if you click the humorous icon acter their lovey dovey scene :whistle:Hehe. I can't help, but click it everytime.

[Lady Jess]

senorfuzzylips wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

I was so mad at my F!Hawke. I thought for sure we were going to move on, with Anders and be happy run away apopstates together but...no. She got Anders to her house and went all "what did you just say about him you nughumper???"  Poor thing didn't realize she was hung up.

Lol!

Out of curiosity... were you able to get back together with Fenris after breaking it off with Anders there?

Yep! Of course now I'm starting her over. I'm not happy with a few things about her playthrough so I'm going back to the act 1 I think.

[ThatDancingTurian]

SurrealSadi wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Think of it this way: By knowing just how violent the rivalmance is, you can love the friendmance more.

How is it violent? There's just a lot more sniping.

Words can be violent.

I don't think that's the right term, though. Violent indicates something destructive or harmful, and I never got that from the rivalmance. It really depends on how you play it though.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 22 mars 2011 - 12:50 .

[SurrealSadi]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Think
of it this way: By knowing just how violent the rivalmance is, you can
love the friendmance more.

How is it violent? There's just a lot
more sniping.

Words can be violent.

I don't think that's the right term, though. Violent indicates something destructive or harmful, and I never got that from the rivalmance. It really depends on how you play it though.

Trust me, words can be violent. I was harassed all throughout middle and high school, in a way that was meant to be destructive and harmful. So, yes, even simple sniping at each other verbally can be violent.

[ejoslin]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Think of it this way: By knowing just how violent the rivalmance is, you can love the friendmance more.

How is it violent? There's just a lot more sniping.

Words can be violent.

I don't think that's the right term, though. Violent indicates something destructive or harmful, and I never got that from the rivalmance. It really depends on how you play it though.

Hmmm, I think Hawke can be meaner than Fenris if you choose the aggressive options.  Fenris is angry, but he's never mean.  The meanest you get is that Latin-esque quote, and that happens just after Denarius so he's pretty worked up anyway.  And there's really no insult in there -- just frustration.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 mars 2011 - 12:55 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

SurrealSadi wrote...

Trust me, words can be violent. I was harassed all throughout middle and high school, in a way that was meant to be destructive and harmful. So, yes, even simple sniping at each other verbally can be violent.

I didn't say words couldn't be hurtful, I said I didn't think that was the case in the rivalmance.

EDIT: @ejoslin: Right, I assume it's a bit more volatile with the aggressive options, like I said, it depends on the case. I went rivalry but always chose diplomatic options, so there was a lot of calmer disagreement than anything hateful.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 22 mars 2011 - 12:56 .

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, I think I'll fraps the post-Hadriana talk in a rival romance to show the difference. The dialogs are nearly the same (just a couple of small differences), but it's his tone that is different.

[dandybananas]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Think of it this way: By knowing just how violent the rivalmance is, you can love the friendmance more.

How is it violent? There's just a lot more sniping.

Words can be violent.

I don't think that's the right term, though. Violent indicates something destructive or harmful, and I never got that from the rivalmance. It really depends on how you play it though.

I didn't get any feelings of violence in the rivalry either. So my Hawke wouldn't coddle Fenris and his mage hating ideas. They both repected each other for standing up for what he believes in. I never thought my Hawke and Fenris hated each other. They just disagreed on one aspect, which was mages. Other than that they both loved kicking ass, taking names, and making some lovey time.

Modifié par dandybananas, 22 mars 2011 - 12:59 .

[Tasmen]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, I think I'll fraps the post-Hadriana talk in a rival romance to show the difference. The dialogs are nearly the same (just a couple of small differences), but it's his tone that is different.

Yeah, he's not nearly as angry or seemingly accusatory in the friend version.  I definitely did like the differences between the two.

[ejoslin]

Tasmen wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, I think I'll fraps the post-Hadriana talk in a rival romance to show the difference. The dialogs are nearly the same (just a couple of small differences), but it's his tone that is different.

Yeah, he's not nearly as angry or seemingly accusatory in the friend version.  I definitely did like the differences between the two.

The kiss is also different (both the glow and non-glow version).  In the friend, they're kissing on the mouth.  The rival, more neck biting!  Uploading now

Edit: But it will be a long time.  WHY is youtube so slow on uploads?

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 mars 2011 - 01:04 .

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

ejoslin wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, I think I'll fraps the post-Hadriana talk in a rival romance to show the difference. The dialogs are nearly the same (just a couple of small differences), but it's his tone that is different.

Yeah, he's not nearly as angry or seemingly accusatory in the friend version.  I definitely did like the differences between the two.

The kiss is also different (both the glow and non-glow version).  In the friend, they're kissing on the mouth.  The rival, more neck biting!  Uploading now

Edit: But it will be a long time.  WHY is youtube so slow on uploads?

I think the neck-biting is a glitch-- I noticed that just before you trigger the glowing one (only did one rivalmance and saved immediately after, not thinking to check the other), when Fenris is turning away, he seems to sink into the floor slightly. His head is then stuck to the side when he shoves Hawke into the wall. 

Oh wait... I hope I didn't crush fangirl dreams... 

Well... that's what FanFiction is for.

Modifié par Madame Rose Crimsynn, 22 mars 2011 - 01:10 .

[ejoslin]

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, I think I'll fraps the post-Hadriana talk in a rival romance to show the difference. The dialogs are nearly the same (just a couple of small differences), but it's his tone that is different.

Yeah, he's not nearly as angry or seemingly accusatory in the friend version.  I definitely did like the differences between the two.

The kiss is also different (both the glow and non-glow version).  In the friend, they're kissing on the mouth.  The rival, more neck biting!  Uploading now

Edit: But it will be a long time.  WHY is youtube so slow on uploads?

I think the neck-biting is a glitch-- I noticed that just before you trigger the glowing one (only did one rivalmance and saved immediately after, not thinking to check the other), when Fenris is turning away, he seems to sink into the floor slightly. His head is then stuck to the side when he shoves Hawke into the wall. 

Oh wait... I hope I didn't crush fangirl dreams... 

Well... that's what FanFiction is for.

No, it's not a glitch I don't think because he turns his head at the end and they're looking into each other's eyes.  Also, it happens with both kisses.  It's not likely that two separate cutscenes are going to have the same glitch.  Also, his facial expression fits (what, I'm a modder -- I have to watch the cutscenes closely for when the toolset comes out!).

Plus, the neck biting happens after they kiss on the mouth.  He turns his head.

Edit: Looking at the glowy kiss more closely, actually his head may be stuck.  But not after she slams him into the walll.  I figured he was looking away because, well, it was rivalry. But who knows.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 mars 2011 - 01:24 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Playing as M!Hawke, and I have to say that Fenris is a good friend. While Varric is my Hawke's  bro and drinking buddy, Fenris is sort of the realist of the group. Unlike Varric who loves to tell stories and Hawke, who in this case is inspired by Harry Dresden Fen voices his opinion without pretense, and is willing to disagree with Hawke without going all Anders on him.

Maker knows that Hawke needs friends:

Varric: Elf, you should go talk to Hawke.

Fenris: I thought moral support was your area of expertise.

Varric: It is, but that subject always leads to drinking, and right now that's the last thing he needs.

Fenris: It isn't Isabela again is it?

Varric: It is.

Fenris: Fendhis, the two of them have been going back and forth since that business with the Tome.

Varric: You don't need to remind me, Rivani's like a cat. She walks out for awhile and then reappears when she wants to. Meanwhile he sits around in the Hanged Man brooding.

Fenris: Well what do you want me to do about it?

Varric: Well I suppose that if he's going to brood he might as well have a brooding buddy with him.

Fenris: I don't brood.

Varric: Of course you don't.

[WMRina]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Playing as M!Hawke, and I have to say that Fenris is a good friend. While Varric is my Hawke's  bro and drinking buddy, Fenris is sort of the realist of the group. Unlike Varric who loves to tell stories and Hawke, who in this case is inspired by Harry Dresden Fen voices his opinion without pretense, and is willing to disagree with Hawke without going all Anders on him.

Maker knows that Hawke needs friends:

Varric: Elf, you should go talk to Hawke.

Fenris: I thought moral support was your area of expertise.

Varric: It is, but that subject always leads to drinking, and right now that's the last thing he needs.

Fenris: It isn't Isabela again is it?

Varric: It is.

Fenris: Fendhis, the two of them have been going back and forth since that business with the Tome.

Varric: You don't need to remind me, Rivani's like a cat. She walks out for awhile and then reappears when she wants to. Meanwhile he sits around in the Hanged Man brooding.

Fenris: Well what do you want me to do about it?

Varric: Well I suppose that if he's going to brood he might as well have a brooding buddy with him.

Fenris: I don't brood.

Varric: Of course you don't.

Awesome.  Brooding buddies.  I think I need to try to go for a brooding M!Hawke in a PT soon.  Or at least a total emotional basket case if I can't get that to work.  If I take Fenris along for brooding times, though, my TV might explode from the smouldering.  Aha.   

[Helen0rz]

ejoslin wrote...

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, I think I'll fraps the post-Hadriana talk in a rival romance to show the difference. The dialogs are nearly the same (just a couple of small differences), but it's his tone that is different.

Yeah, he's not nearly as angry or seemingly accusatory in the friend version.  I definitely did like the differences between the two.

The kiss is also different (both the glow and non-glow version).  In the friend, they're kissing on the mouth.  The rival, more neck biting!  Uploading now

Edit: But it will be a long time.  WHY is youtube so slow on uploads?

I think the neck-biting is a glitch-- I noticed that just before you trigger the glowing one (only did one rivalmance and saved immediately after, not thinking to check the other), when Fenris is turning away, he seems to sink into the floor slightly. His head is then stuck to the side when he shoves Hawke into the wall. 

Oh wait... I hope I didn't crush fangirl dreams... 

Well... that's what FanFiction is for.

No, it's not a glitch I don't think because he turns his head at the end and they're looking into each other's eyes.  Also, it happens with both kisses.  It's not likely that two separate cutscenes are going to have the same glitch.  Also, his facial expression fits (what, I'm a modder -- I have to watch the cutscenes closely for when the toolset comes out!).

Plus, the neck biting happens after they kiss on the mouth.  He turns his head.

NECK BITING?!