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[ejoslin]

Gilsa wrote...

dangereusegirl wrote...

I'm on a new playthrough and I'm debating on whether or not to romance Fen.

Problem is, I've romanced him in every playthrough before this.

Gah, I'm so conflicted. T______T

You'd get to hear what he has to say to a friend instead of a lover. His end speech is different. You'd be able to see what non-romancers see with Fenris and be able to determine how much their complaints about him is hyberbole. I had intended on maybe rivalmancing Fenris on my second game because I still had the euphoria from my first game lingering, but waited to make a move on anyone until Act 2. By then, I had experienced different scenes with Isabela and was completely charmed by her with her Fade apology. She's not intense or passionate like Fenris is and she's infuriating in her own way that you want to strangle her at times, but she's so d'awww with her wit and her vulnerability. I absolutely loved her and Aveline in my group and would rotate Merrill in for an all-girl group dynamic, listening to Merrill basically idolize Isabela from afar. While I think Fenris is the more exciting romance, the playthrough with Isabela is my absolute favorite so far because it was just a fun ride from start to end. It was neat to fight for my girl by not letting the Arishok have her.

I see a lot of debate about the awkwardness of Fenris leaving Hawke for three years, but Isabela does the same thing as well for different emotional reasons. I asked a friend if Anders did the same thing and she said he withdrew in his own way. No idea about Merrill, but it's definitely not unique to Fenris.

Anders actually has a different problem (I think it's the same as Merrill's).  You agree that he should move in, you two are going to live together forever and ever.  Yet you don't give him a key for three years.  While he does withdraw, that seems to happen IN act three, not between the two.  It's the key that bugs me -- "we're going to live together" yet it doesn't happen for years. gah!

See, that time skip for all the relationships has issues. Instead of showing a relationship progressing, it's like everything is on standstill for a few years, just to jump back into the story.  

Edit: I guess since Varric is telling the story, he's leaving out the progression to make for better story telling!

Modifié par ejoslin, 23 mars 2011 - 04:37 .

[Ryzaki]

DP 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mars 2011 - 04:44 .

[Ryzaki]

The key wasn't just to the house.

It was the the celler where you do the birthright quest. I thought Hawke gave it to Anders because the Templars had been cracking down severely and that Hawke's status wouldn't be able to protect Anders always. It was giving Anders an escape route in case nosy templars started mousing about the clinic.

I don't think templars would dare go into Hawke's house. But they might seize the chance to grab Anders while he was working.

[Helen0rz]

@Ejoslin
True...there IS that pan to the fire thing but...sigh I want more you know? It's never enough hahahaha and yes! Last kiss is great! Better than that 'now that ive blow up the chantry, come be fugitives with me!'

@Saslic
Yeah I see what you mean. Anders was pretty intense because there was this feeling bottled up...and he's very...unstable too with his emotions. Fenris is more steady and introverted...it does make sense, that I agree!

@tealsie

[Lady Jess]

Ryzaki wrote...

The key wasn't just to the house.

It was the the celler where you do the birthright quest. I thought Hawke gave it to Anders because the Templars had been cracking down severely and that Hawke's status wouldn't be able to protect Anders always. It was giving Anders an escape route in case nosy templars started mousing about the clinic.

I don't think templars would dare go into Hawke's house. But they might seize the chance to grab Anders while he was working.

You are correct. Though  you do ask him to move in in act two, and he isn't physically in the house until act three. But they key is to the cellars for him to duck in and hide.

[Helen0rz]

@tealsie

At this point, it'll never be as awkward as origins love scene don't you think?

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

The key wasn't just to the house.

It was the the celler where you do the birthright quest. I thought Hawke gave it to Anders because the Templars had been cracking down severely and that Hawke's status wouldn't be able to protect Anders always. It was giving Anders an escape route in case nosy templars started mousing about the clinic.

I don't think templars would dare go into Hawke's house. But they might seize the chance to grab Anders while he was working.

I believe Merrill has the same issue, though; that you move in together, and three years later you give her a key.  If it just is to the celler, that's not so bad, though he doesn't appear to be living in the house until act 3 as well I don't think... (I don't remember).

Looking at the talktable (gah) it appears that while it's a key to the celler, it also says he was given a key to to get into the estate (though the talk table has very few notes, so take it for what it is).  

I can't say for sure about Merrill not having done her romance.  But I was told that she had the same issue -- you gave her the key AFTER act 3.

Again, my main issue is that in three years, things seem to be at a complete standstill.  We as players are getting this information in a reasonable amount of time, but there's the point made that it's three years later yet it does not seem that that time has gone by.

Ah well, it is what it is.

Modifié par ejoslin, 23 mars 2011 - 04:52 .

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote..
I believe Merrill has the same issue, though; that you move in together, and three years later you give her a key.  If it just is to the celler, that's not so bad, though he doesn't appear to be living in the house until act 3 as well I don't think... (I don't remember).

Looking at the talktable (gah) it appears that while it's a key to the celler, it also says he was given a key to to get into the estate (not just through the celler).  

I can't say for sure about Merrill not having done her romance.  But I was told that she had the same issue -- you gave her the key AFTER act 3.

Again, my main issue is that in three years, things seem to be at a complete standstill.  We as players are getting this information in a reasonable amount of time, but there's the point made that it's three year laters.

Ah well, it is what it is.

Okay that is odd. Who gives someone a key to the house 3 years later? That should've been done in the last romance convo of act 2. I'm just going to use it as the celler key as my head canon. Giving him the house key three years later is just too odd. 

I share the same issue. The whole 3 years of never talking about that one night with Fenris bugged me. It is like time just froze when it comes to your companions. 

[Tealsie]

Helen0rz wrote...

@tealsie

At this point, it'll never be as awkward as origins love scene don't you think?

Probably not.  
I was glad they didn't show as much this time around. Though... I still would've liked to see Fenris' chest(not for any kind of  reason, but because I really am curious just what his markings look like. )
...and why can't there be more reactions from others? Isabela had a talk with Hawke(and Varric and Anders). Mama Hawke never says anything, and I kept expecting some odd comment from Sandal.
I suspect Leandra saw Hawke and Fenris together and shooed everyone out of the house for a few hours.

[Helen0rz]

Anders withdrew because he worries about Hawke's safety...and I'm sure Hawke's status and anders's once-warden-apostate status is totally the talk of town. I imagine he's trying to give Hawke less trouble/problem than what Hawke's already got

When I romanced him, to me, it seemed like he pulled himself away for a bit because he was planning on blown up the chantry. I think he was very tormented betweenoge and 'duty'. He can't do it without Hawke's help and support, but at the same time, he doesn't want to betray her trust and screw her over after all the handwork Hawke's done to get to where Hawke is. Justice has a lot of influence if Anders thought process but so does Hawke, and this made it very overwhelmin for him and his decision making

Of course, ultimately he chose his 'duty', hence the convo with him sitting on that box. With Fenris the withdrawal is totally different. Fenris's on a much personal level in my opinion, just like isabella's I'm sure.

[Helen0rz]

Between love and duty*

Sorry can't edit on my phone

[MelRedux]

I just want to say, I am a huge Fengirl, and ADORED the romance.

But the idea of Hawke and Fenris cuddle time makes me barf.

That is all.

[WMRina]

Helen0rz wrote...

@tealsie

At this point, it'll never be as awkward as origins love scene don't you think?

LOL.  Gospel Truth.  I think a lot of it had to do with that music, though...but I can't really downplay the awkwardness of the oft-clunky animated dry-humping.  I was laughing the whole time.  I *really* prefer DA2's scenes.  

@Tealsie

....I have to admit, I kind of wished I was that microphone.  Hahaha gotta give Adam Howden props for that, I hope he was in a private sound booth because I can't even imagine how awkward that would be to record.  I'd have to take it 50 times because I wouldn't be able to stop laughing at myself.  Which would just compound the problem.              

[Tasmen]

Addai67 wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

It's like...not balanced

Anders romance get a makeout scene, he moves in and stuff
With Isabella, two sexytime
Even Merrill's have a inbed after sexytime cuddle!!

Fine, we have wal pushing glowy kiss thing...but..but...I wanna hear hardcore makeout sound effects and cuddle and more sexytime and etc etc etc etc

Er... no, that's really okay by me.  I'm fine with leaving moaning and makeout sounds to the imagination rather than awkward pixelation and having to picture the VA making love to a microphone.  Understated is better.

This x 1000.  Pixel grunts = laughter for me to be honest.

[Tasmen]

Mel_Redux wrote...

I just want to say, I am a huge Fengirl, and ADORED the romance.

But the idea of Hawke and Fenris cuddle time makes me barf.

That is all.

We really do need to stop meeting in this little corner of agreement.   It's starting to get crowded and a little dirty with all those used up wine bottles.

To me, Fenris does not cuddle. 
To me, Fenris does not proclaim how he needs a hug.

[Helen0rz]

@tealsie
Mass effect had nudity but it was done very tastefully, And I dig that. It better than hem in their undies making awkward faces...I guess DA2 is in between but still you know?

@ryzaaki
The key is just for the cellar though...and yeah that 3 years no explanation thing bugs me too

[Tealsie]

WMRina wrote...

@Tealsie

....I have to admit, I kind of wished I was that microphone.  Hahaha gotta give Adam Howden props for that, I hope he was in a private sound booth because I can't even imagine how awkward that would be to record.  I'd have to take it 50 times because I wouldn't be able to stop laughing at myself.  Which would just compound the problem.              

This is why I plan to never voice act.
"You want me to do what? To the-?! ooh...  *gigglesnort*"
You are a brave man, Mr. Howden.

[MelRedux]

Tasmen wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

I just want to say, I am a huge Fengirl, and ADORED the romance.

But the idea of Hawke and Fenris cuddle time makes me barf.

That is all.

We really do need to stop meeting in this little corner of agreement.   It's starting to get crowded and a little dirty with all those used up wine bottles.

To me, Fenris does not cuddle. 
To me, Fenris does not proclaim how he needs a hug.

 sorry, I'll be sure to clean up all the wine bottles the next time Fen and I have another all-night wine-tasting bender.*

*no cuddling involved

Modifié par Mel_Redux, 23 mars 2011 - 05:06 .

[ejoslin]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

I just want to say, I am a huge Fengirl, and ADORED the romance.

But the idea of Hawke and Fenris cuddle time makes me barf.

That is all.

We really do need to stop meeting in this little corner of agreement.   It's starting to get crowded and a little dirty with all those used up wine bottles.

To me, Fenris does not cuddle. 
To me, Fenris does not proclaim how he needs a hug.

 sorry, I'll be sure to clean up all the wine bottles the next time Fen and I have another all-night wine-tasting bender.*

*no cuddling involved

I completely crash this party :/

[MelRedux]

ejoslin wrote...

I completely crash this party :/

*eyes wine inventory*  Ok, there's enough for another

[Lady Jess]

Mel_Redux wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I completely crash this party :/

*eyes wine inventory*  Ok, there's enough for another

*shoves her way in and ends up sitting on Mel's lap*

[Victia]

Yes, this is the only issue with Da2 I had - the 3 year time skips seem to make little sense and I personally would think 1 year t/s would have made more sense! Not just for the whole story arch but in a large way for the romances! The sexual tension that must have built up, esp a hawke still sees him a lot (teaching him to read etc) must be unbelievable!

[MelRedux]

Lady Jess wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I completely crash this party :/

*eyes wine inventory*  Ok, there's enough for another

*shoves her way in and ends up sitting on Mel's lap*

Fine.  But you all need to find your own cranky broody, bi-polar elf.

[WMRina]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I completely crash this party :/

*eyes wine inventory*  Ok, there's enough for another

*shoves her way in and ends up sitting on Mel's lap*

Fine.  But you all need to find your own cranky broody, bi-polar elf.

Time for a "cloning machine" DLC, wouldn't you say, Bioware?  The ball is in your court.  *grabs a bottle and takes a huge swig*

[Tealsie]

Victia wrote...

Yes, this is the only issue with Da2 I had - the 3 year time skips seem to make little sense and I personally would think 1 year t/s would have made more sense! Not just for the whole story arch but in a large way for the romances! The sexual tension that must have built up, esp a hawke still sees him a lot (teaching him to read etc) must be unbelievable!

Well, hopefully any dlc/expansions will fill in some of that. I, personally, would love to see a dlc open with Hawke interracting with their LI. So, for Fenris, he/she would be teaching him to read.