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[Helen0rz]

zee Anjan wrote...
Yes, I do remember that part. That and Someone mentioning Leandra running away with her apostate husband-to-be 25 years prior to getting back (could also have been after the first year in kirkwall, can't really remember). That gives us a time frame for Hawkes age. But it really says nothing about how old Fenris is or how old he was when he got the markings.

*nods*
So it's safe to assume Hawke should be older than 18 and younger than 25. 20-24 sounds more promising however.

zee Anjan wrote...
I agree here as well, though I do want to point out that we can't be sure how much truth Varenia speaks if she lives. She could be lying just to make her brother more miserable or as a revenge of some sort, since she clearly thinks everything bad in her life is his fault. To me it doesn't seem like Fenris remembers it himself - even whenshe says it was his choice. Its more that he get confused and uncertain since he cannot remember these events himself.

But yes life as a slave in tevinter can hardly have been easy - neither was aparently being a servant.

I dont think so, but that's merely my opinion 

There's so much sadness in her it is, and it doesn't seem as though she's betraying her brother because she hates him for that 'freedom' she got, she betrayed him because she wanted a better life, simple as though. Danarius is a business man, he offered her way out and she took it. I imagine Leto and Varania were once close, but once he took up the offer, Leto cease to exist, the the family tie ends there.

and I also don't think she thinks everything was his faulty, just that she's very bitter and a bit resentful after seeing how much better off he is compare to her. He's not slaving for anyone, she is (technically). What she said, I think, is kind of a way of saying "I know you don't remember, but I'm going to tell you to set the record straight. hate me all you want but I know I had it harder than you ever did" type of deal.

Tealsie wrote...

Something occurred to me earlier(when whoever posted the link to that marvelous Fenris tribute)... Anders snaps at Fenris in "alone", calling him a hypocrit, and saying that Fenris was just jealous(because Varania is a mage). Howcould Fenris be jealous if he only JUST remembered anything about his sister? He would've had no idea before that she was a mage. Goddamnit Anders. Stop being an ass.  
Just a random realization. Don'tmindme~

Yup, noticed that too. It would be different if Fenris remembers but....he doesn't. I don't even know why they bothered writting that in there.

zee Anjan wrote...

omearaee wrote...

I have a question, why does Fenris have white hair? He has dark eyebrows. And it makes for a dramatic look. Is the white hair natural or as a result of the lyrium being fused into his skin?

This discussion has come up at least two or three times in this thread, last time was just a few pages ago.
Sum of it is that we do not really know why he has white hair. But there are a few diffrent theories - most people however seem to agree that he was not born with that hair colour.

and we speculated (with I guess everyone mostly agrees?) that his hair turned white during the lyrium branding. 

**Edit** Ok I know my post is long already but I just had to, top of the page!!! by Alas-De-Metal

Modifié par Helen0rz, 29 mars 2011 - 04:06 .

[UltiPup]

Namuri wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

DID SOMEONE SAY DANCE?!



CAUSE LOOK AT WHAT I WAS JUST ABOUT TO POST

...does anyone remember me saying about Fenris dancing to Thriller? I am so godly with my inb4s

THAT IS AWESOME ON SO MANY LEVELS THAT I CAN'T COUNT THEM ALL

I am ridiculously awesome. Oh and to top it off...



Whoever made these, please, DA2 needs a dancing mod.

[Helen0rz]

Namuri wrote...
I think she was partly lashing out, because Fenris probably does have it quite a bit better then her. After all, he has friends that are powerful enough to kill Denarius, a /Magister/, and it's pretty obvious he isn't a slave anymore.  I mean, she had to have had some affection for her brother, and yet she's willing to sell him out so that she can have a better life.  Even though he's already sold himself out once for her and his mother TT;
But also, if you think about it, she's probably right about how hard freedom would be.  I mean, they'd spent their lives as slaves, I doubt they really knew how to live as anything else.  Also, a slave, while possibly mistreated, will be taken care of, fed, sheltered, or else they'd be useless.  And Fenris, well he was a Magister's slave, for all that Denarius was a terrible person, and made him do horrible things, he probably had it pretty good in comparison to people who weren't marked with lyrium.

Edit: please forgive me for the ridiculous amount of comma splcing in this, and in pretty much all of my posts :innocent:

Exactly. a servant is no better than slaves. you're still doing pretty much the same thing, except you don't have to worry about being sold, your freedom is yours. She made it seem as though she has done some...bad stuff since their mother passed and she needed to survive on her own. I believe up until the moment she saw him, she may or may not thought about Fenris and did not think he had it better. She would've been aware of the fact he's on the run though. It was up until the moment Fenris showed up, killed Danarius did she realize there's this huge gap between them. the only thing that still connects them are blood ties and that's pretty much it. 

Village Idiot wrote...
Which is why I feel sorry for her a great deal actually.  We don't really know how long it's been since she's seen him and I'm certain she probably doesn't know about the kind of life he's had to lead.  I imagine him showing up as a friend to the Champion of Kirkwall no less, and being able to send her the coin to get her to come to see him would make it hard for to look at him and think about his sacrifice.  

I'm not excusing her betrayal of him.  I think I look on it more as inevitable as I don't want to imagine what happened to her and her mother.  I know people were saying that they wanted a Fenris Tevinter DLC and the prospect of that absolutely horrified me.  Do. Not. Want. (Not that I think it will happen).  I'm just of the opinion that Tevinter is a terribly brutal place and I'm a bit like Merrill in that I just want to pick flowers and pet puppies.

Oh yeah, I'm not justifying her actions at all. Like you, I feel sorry for her. her suffering are, I'm sure, equal to Fenris' but he doesn't know that about her and vice versa. They're strangers to each other, with Fenris wanted to reconnect and her wanted nothing more but to forget

[Tealsie]

UltiPup wrote...

Namuri wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

DID SOMEONE SAY DANCE?!



CAUSE LOOK AT WHAT I WAS JUST ABOUT TO POST

...does anyone remember me saying about Fenris dancing to Thriller? I am so godly with my inb4s

THAT IS AWESOME ON SO MANY LEVELS THAT I CAN'T COUNT THEM ALL

I am ridiculously awesome. Oh and to top it off...



Whoever made these, please, DA2 needs a dancing mod.

Is that mod by Umpa(I think his name is)? Did the dance mod for Oblivion.  only game I play on the pc, because omg the mods for that game.

[UltiPup]

Sorry to interrupt again but..



*imagine fenris*

*NOSEBLEED OF EVER FLOWINGNESS*


Also holy **** these are all by umpa. Where is that bastard and where are my DA2 dancing mods?

Modifié par UltiPup, 29 mars 2011 - 04:05 .

[Namuri]

UltiPup wrote...

Namuri wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

DID SOMEONE SAY DANCE?!



CAUSE LOOK AT WHAT I WAS JUST ABOUT TO POST

...does anyone remember me saying about Fenris dancing to Thriller? I am so godly with my inb4s

THAT IS AWESOME ON SO MANY LEVELS THAT I CAN'T COUNT THEM ALL

I am ridiculously awesome. Oh and to top it off...



Whoever made these, please, DA2 needs a dancing mod.

They should have had him wearing a dress XD

Also, in the Thriller one, Ohgren was most definitely  my favorite!  Dancing dwarves are win XD

[Leala]

Ok Fenfans, I need your help. I'm trying to do a playthrough with rivalmancing both fenris and anders. I'm in act 2, have them both over 50% rival (not maxed) and have flirted with both. I'm doing the bitter pill quest first because from what I understand you have to be with Fenris first, have him leave you then go crawling to Anders. (hehe) But after the bitter pill quest when he shows up at the house, no matter what I say he leaves. What did I do wrong?

[Shail666]

Helen0rz wrote...

with the idea of slavery in mind, we can imagine what could've happened to them while they were enslaved. 

Fenris sacrificed himself, throw everything he knows away (I bet he didn't realize that's what he was doing) for a simply exchange. No one knew life would be just as hard when they're set free. Varania seemed as though she's been through alot, completely defenseless unlike Fenris. God knows what she had to do to survive out on the street and made sure her brother's sacrifice was not in vain (as in become a slave again)

That's a good point; she probably did have to do a lot to keep herself out of slavery, especially as she mentions she had a hard time after her mother died.

What I found funny was that despite not being a slave to him anymore she still chose to tie herself to Danarius. 

I'm imagining that Danarius contacted her(again?) after she recieved letters from Fenris. She was probably skeptical at first, but then when Danarius contacted her to confirm that Fenris was who he said he was, he also offered her apprenticeship. 

I didn't give Fenris up(of course!) so I'm not sure how things play out if Danarius takes her back with him. Maybe instead of making her his apprentice he makes her his slave again. 

[Namuri]

@Leala: It's possible you don't have high enough rivalry, when I played through the first time I only had friendship with him when he came to Hawke's, and he left, go talk to him and he /should/ appear in your house the next time you go there.

[Tealsie]

Leala wrote...

Ok Fenfans, I need your help. I'm trying to do a playthrough with rivalmancing both fenris and anders. I'm in act 2, have them both over 50% rival (not maxed) and have flirted with both. I'm doing the bitter pill quest first because from what I understand you have to be with Fenris first, have him leave you then go crawling to Anders. (hehe) But after the bitter pill quest when he shows up at the house, no matter what I say he leaves. What did I do wrong?

Could be that you need to get his rivalry higher. Or try entering the estate at night.

[catgirl789]

Leala wrote...

Ok Fenfans, I need your help. I'm trying to do a playthrough with rivalmancing both fenris and anders. I'm in act 2, have them both over 50% rival (not maxed) and have flirted with both. I'm doing the bitter pill quest first because from what I understand you have to be with Fenris first, have him leave you then go crawling to Anders. (hehe) But after the bitter pill quest when he shows up at the house, no matter what I say he leaves. What did I do wrong?

Hmmm. Did you get a flirting option with him before he left?

[Tasmen]

Leala wrote...

Ok Fenfans, I need your help. I'm trying to do a playthrough with rivalmancing both fenris and anders. I'm in act 2, have them both over 50% rival (not maxed) and have flirted with both. I'm doing the bitter pill quest first because from what I understand you have to be with Fenris first, have him leave you then go crawling to Anders. (hehe) But after the bitter pill quest when he shows up at the house, no matter what I say he leaves. What did I do wrong?

He won't romance you until you do his 'Questioning Beliefs' quest for act ii.  If that is in your journal, go do it.  If it isn't, then go get some more rival points until it triggers.

[Namuri]

EDIT: Nevermind, I ended up posting twice, somehow TT;

Modifié par Namuri, 29 mars 2011 - 04:13 .

[catgirl789]

Oooo, wait I figuredit out! Did you already give him his first gift? It's the book of Shartan and can be found in a sack in the Alienage at night.

[Namuri]

UltiPup wrote...

Sorry to interrupt again but..



*imagine fenris*

*NOSEBLEED OF EVER FLOWINGNESS*


Also holy **** these are all by umpa. Where is that bastard and where are my DA2 dancing mods?

OMG You /have/ to stop posting these, I'm going to laugh too hard and wake up everybody XDDD

[Helen0rz]

Shail666 wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

with the idea of slavery in mind, we can imagine what could've happened to them while they were enslaved. 

Fenris sacrificed himself, throw everything he knows away (I bet he didn't realize that's what he was doing) for a simply exchange. No one knew life would be just as hard when they're set free. Varania seemed as though she's been through alot, completely defenseless unlike Fenris. God knows what she had to do to survive out on the street and made sure her brother's sacrifice was not in vain (as in become a slave again)

That's a good point; she probably did have to do a lot to keep herself out of slavery, especially as she mentions she had a hard time after her mother died.

What I found funny was that despite not being a slave to him anymore she still chose to tie herself to Danarius. 

I'm imagining that Danarius contacted her(again?) after she recieved letters from Fenris. She was probably skeptical at first, but then when Danarius contacted her to confirm that Fenris was who he said he was, he also offered her apprenticeship. 

I didn't give Fenris up(of course!) so I'm not sure how things play out if Danarius takes her back with him. Maybe instead of making her his apprentice he makes her his slave again. 

very possible. Or (just because I can come up with stuff since we're speculating here) it can be Varania contacted Danarius after she received the letter. One reason was to verify the validity of Fenris (she may or may not know his new name, you know?) and perhaps she used Fenris' location as a bargaining chip; she tells him Fenris' whereabouts and Danarius makes her magister apprentice/someone that's not a slave or a servant no less.

[Helen0rz]

hopefully you guys haven't seen this, but if you have, well, here it goes again!

by seisei

[Sherbet Lemon]

Namuri wrote...
The only person Fenris is a complete jackass to is Merrill, and that's because she uses bloodmagic, and then tries to be his friend.

That's part of it, but mostly I think he is frustrated with her fixation on reclaiming history.  I don't disagree with her intentions and I don't enjoy some of things he says to her.  But I think this dialogue is pretty telling as far as why he's so cruel at times to her.

Fenris: I don't want your pity.
Merrill: Are you talking to me?
Fenris: You said you were sorry about the ritual I endured. Keep your sorrow.
Merrill: I only meant—
Fenris: You have all the freedom none of our kind enjoy, and you throw it away. On what?
Merrill: Our people need to reclaim their heritage.
Fenris: A heritage of defeat? To what end?
Merrill: Would you truly turn your back on your own history? There's so much we don't know...
Fenris: It's not my history. It's simply history.

And then there's also this...

Fenris: Avert your eyes, witch.
Merrill: You said I was dwelling on "useless" history, but what are you doing?
Merrill: The past is important, to you and to all of us. We must know it to move forward.
Fenris: You had a life. You had a family. And you abandoned them to chase after ghosts.
Fenris: We are nothing alike. Don't even begin to think that we are.

I think this is the real problem that Fenris has with Merrill.  The blood magic and consorting with demons is part of it, yes, but to throw away freedom which she has already and to discard family as her clan IS her family so that she could embrace  and pursue forbidden magic, something he considers downright detestable, this is the sort behavior that leads him to loathe her.

Sorry to go on at length.  I can't go a day without a wall-of-text.  I just think their relationship is interesting just like I loved how my Dalish warden and Velanna fought like crazy.  I adore Fenris (obviously) and I also love Merrill.  I want them to be buddies and pick daisies together, but I know that's not going to happen.

Gah.  So sorry, Didn't mean to get long winded again.

[Helen0rz]

Village Idiot wrote...
I think this is the real problem that Fenris has with Merrill.  The blood magic and consorting with demons is part of it, yes, but to throw away freedom which she has already and to discard family as her clan IS her family so that she could embrace  and pursue forbidden magic, something he considers downright detestable, this is the sort behavior that leads him to loathe her.

Sorry to go on at length.  I can't go a day without a wall-of-text.  I just think their relationship is interesting just like I loved how my Dalish warden and Velanna fought like crazy.  I adore Fenris (obviously) and I also love Merrill.  I want them to be buddies and pick daisies together, but I know that's not going to happen.

Gah.  So sorry, Didn't mean to get long winded again.

SPOT ON!

I do think as time goes on his dislike towards her was not about blood magic anymore, it really is just about her throwing everyhing HE ever wanted/could've had away. That's why he called her a monster (i think? right?) when the keepr died, he was referring to what she has become over the years, all she had given up and for what? for the death of someone that was like a mother to her, you know?

Modifié par Helen0rz, 29 mars 2011 - 04:26 .

[DemonSaya]

Just because Thriller came up earlier...

[Namuri]

Helen0rz wrote...

Village Idiot wrote...
I think this is the real problem that Fenris has with Merrill.  The blood magic and consorting with demons is part of it, yes, but to throw away freedom which she has already and to discard family as her clan IS her family so that she could embrace  and pursue forbidden magic, something he considers downright detestable, this is the sort behavior that leads him to loathe her.

Sorry to go on at length.  I can't go a day without a wall-of-text.  I just think their relationship is interesting just like I loved how my Dalish warden and Velanna fought like crazy.  I adore Fenris (obviously) and I also love Merrill.  I want them to be buddies and pick daisies together, but I know that's not going to happen.

Gah.  So sorry, Didn't mean to get long winded again.

SPOT ON!

I do think as time goes on his dislike towards her was not about blood magic anymore, it really is just about her throwing everyhing HE ever wanted/could've had away. That's why he called her a monster (i think? right?) when the keepr died, he was referring to what she has become over the years, all she had given up and for what? for the death of someone that was like a mother to her, you know?

I agree, very much so.  One big thing is definitely the fact that she abandoned the present to embrace the past.  I mean, Fenris spends all this time trying to escape his past--and failing, more often then not--the idea of someone just giving up /everything/ so that they can figure out something that is, literally, ancient history must be so foriegn to him.  Add to that the fact that the person who did so was a mage, and fell into /blood magic/ and it's sort of impossible for him to like her.  At all >>;
I would like them to go pick Daisy's together though, that'd be adorable...and a little scary

Also, how do we insert images? D8>

[WMRina]

@Namrui use the "img" "/img" tags.  Use brackets instead of ".  [like this]

Modifié par WMRina, 29 mars 2011 - 04:38 .

[Tasmen]

Namuri wrote...


Also, how do we insert images? D8>

Use

img and /img in brackets.

[elenilote]

NeitiCora wrote...

Lioba wrote...

you are REALLY asking THAT`? ^^

It seems kinda stupid when you point it out, doesn't it? Why am I even debating on the matter myself? Are my natural fangirl instincts failing?

Yeah, what happened there?

[Sherbet Lemon]

Helen0rz wrote...

SPOT ON!

I do think as time goes on his dislike towards her was not about blood magic anymore, it really is just about her throwing everyhing HE ever wanted/could've had away. That's why he called her a monster (i think? right?) when the keepr died, he was referring to what she has become over the years, all she had given up and for what? for the death of someone that was like a mother to her, you know?

I think he called her a monster after the Valterral battle finishes and she can't believe why Pol had run away from her.  I always wanted Hawke or someone to snap at him there though as I think that's really mean there.  But yeah, he totally wants that whole family, stability and freedom thing. 

When it comes down to it, they really aren't that different though.  Merrill really wants the same thing, is self sacrificing, and wants bring something tangible, a common history to her people, she just (arguably, depending upon what you side you come down upon) is a little prideful about it....
*nodnod* Oh Fenris! You knucklehead!