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[Addai]

ravenimage wrote...

Seems to me if you want to rivalmance Fenris, you have to be a complete dick to him. I just can't do it. They might disagree on mages but that doesn't mean they have to be enemies.

Not at all.  I was sarcastic/ diplomatic in my replies to him unless he was really being a dick himself.  You get plenty of rivalry points from missions.

[Thiefy]

Addai67 wrote...

ravenimage wrote...

Seems to me if you want to rivalmance Fenris, you have to be a complete dick to him. I just can't do it. They might disagree on mages but that doesn't mean they have to be enemies.

Not at all.  I was sarcastic/ diplomatic in my replies to him unless he was really being a dick himself.  You get plenty of rivalry points from missions.

Yeah or you can just stick up for the mages. That nets a lot of rivalry, and once you get into the red a little bit, you can do his gifts/quests for more rivalry points.

[lydlyd]

Hi everyone! I thought I might share my version of Fenris with you guys.


More to come!

[Tasmen]

lydlyd wrote...

Hi everyone! I thought I might share my version of Fenris with you guys.


More to come!

So darn happy to hear there is more to come.

[ejoslin]

Helen0rz wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

ravenimage wrote...

Seems to me if you want to rivalmance Fenris, you have to be a complete dick to him. I just can't do it. They might disagree on mages but that doesn't mean they have to be enemies.

That's true. On my first playthrough, I went pro mage and still had to work really hard to max rivalry with Fenris.

On the other hand, when I went pro-templar on my second playthrough, I had him with maxed friendship by the middle of act 1 

yeah...friendmance all the way...I just can't be mean to him...i love his tenderness too much

I like both romances.  Disagreeing with someone isn't necessarily being mean to them.  I have not yet made a mage that has friendmanced him -- my mages are just too pro-mage to do so.  I think his rivalry actually builds up faster than his friendship.

The one thing I like better about the friendmance (it would be friendship in general) is his reactions to the gifts.  Otherwise, I'd say both are just as good.  

[Tasmen]

ejoslin wrote...

The one thing I like better about the friendmance (it would be friendship in general) is his reactions to the gifts.  Otherwise, I'd say both are just as good.  

^ That... I really did like the nicer reaction to giving the book of Shartan to Fenris with the friendmance.

[Rheia]

Hehe, true. Rival gifts... my poor mages inwardly cringing at their inability to do anything 'right' by the infuriating elf. First time I played unspoiled, my own temper flared a little at his reaction to the book gift, but his refusal of the blade made me want to kick myself for the 'brilliant' idea of gifting a tevinter symbol to a tevinter fugitive Fit with other awkward moments of snarky mage who was often only one who found her jokes funny though

[Helen0rz]

ejoslin wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

ravenimage wrote...

Seems to me if you want to rivalmance Fenris, you have to be a complete dick to him. I just can't do it. They might disagree on mages but that doesn't mean they have to be enemies.

That's true. On my first playthrough, I went pro mage and still had to work really hard to max rivalry with Fenris.

On the other hand, when I went pro-templar on my second playthrough, I had him with maxed friendship by the middle of act 1 

yeah...friendmance all the way...I just can't be mean to him...i love his tenderness too much

I like both romances.  Disagreeing with someone isn't necessarily being mean to them.  I have not yet made a mage that has friendmanced him -- my mages are just too pro-mage to do so.  I think his rivalry actually builds up faster than his friendship.

The one thing I like better about the friendmance (it would be friendship in general) is his reactions to the gifts.  Otherwise, I'd say both are just as good.  

Well, my problem is that whenever I disagree with him, I feel like I'm being mean LOL! I made a mage that friendmanced him but I was also a hypocritical mage too hahahahahaha~! Aside from the gifts, you know what else I like about friendmancing him? his facial expressions...it's much softer 

[Thiefy]

Rheia wrote...

Hehe, true. Rival gifts... my poor mages inwardly cringing at their inability to do anything 'right' by the infuriating elf. First time I played unspoiled, my own temper flared a little at his reaction to the book gift, but his refusal of the blade made me want to kick myself for the 'brilliant' idea of gifting a tevinter symbol to a tevinter fugitive Fit with other awkward moments of snarky mage who was often only one who found her jokes funny though

Well it could be worse i suppose. I am working on rivalmance with Anders and I'm sure he is going to be furious with the Tevinter Chantry symbol when I give it to him >_>

[Namuri]

//off topic but:
@ Thief-of-Hearts: AWESOME JOB WITH THE GOLD EGG 8D!

[Rheia]

Oh, I am not complaining! I think the gifts fit well into rivalry vs friendship dynamic. Do tell us how Anders' rivalry gifts go though... I'm curious

[Thiefy]

Namuri wrote...

//off topic but:
@ Thief-of-Hearts: AWESOME JOB WITH THE GOLD EGG 8D!

ahahaha thanks, it's actually my third 8DD
inbred and long lineaged but can't really be picky unless you've been playing for years, which i havent. that and the cave has been blocked nonstop since black stripes came out =/

Rheia wrote...

Oh, I am not complaining! I think the gifts
fit well into rivalry vs friendship dynamic. Do tell us how Anders'
rivalry gifts go though... I'm curious

I will but i am sure there's a youtube vid of it somewhere. i'm trying not to spoil it for myself since i already spoiled 90% of the game for myself >_>;;

it will all be worth it when Anders noms my face though

[Namuri]

[quote]Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

[quote]Namuri wrote...

//off topic but:
@ Thief-of-Hearts: AWESOME JOB WITH THE GOLD EGG 8D![/quote]

ahahaha thanks, it's actually my third 8DD
inbred and long lineaged but can't really be picky unless you've been playing for years, which i havent. that and the cave has been blocked nonstop since black stripes came out =/

[/quote][/quote]

I haven't been on in /forever/. I used to be super active. Years ago XD; And I actually /do/ have some non-inbred, short lineage golds in my cave, along with my BERZILLION IN ONE silvers.
Would you like me to breed them, see what I get? :3

[Thiefy]

[quote]Namuri wrote...

[quote]Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

[quote]Namuri wrote...

//off topic but:
@ Thief-of-Hearts: AWESOME JOB WITH THE GOLD EGG 8D![/quote]

ahahaha thanks, it's actually my third 8DD
inbred and long lineaged but can't really be picky unless you've been playing for years, which i havent. that and the cave has been blocked nonstop since black stripes came out =/

[/quote][/quote]

I haven't been on in /forever/. I used to be super active. Years ago XD; And I actually /do/ have some non-inbred, short lineage golds in my cave, along with my BERZILLION IN ONE silvers.
Would you like me to breed them, see what I get? :3
[/quote]

that would be awesome!!! 8D

Modifié par Thief-of-Hearts, 31 mars 2011 - 03:06 .

[Namuri]

^ Okay, here goes.
...this is gonna take awhile 8D;

Edit: Done. Msging you so that this topic can get back on track

WITH A FENRIS: (By http://sandman70460.deviantart.com/ on dA)



^You were all thinking it.

Modifié par Namuri, 31 mars 2011 - 03:24 .

[Thiefy]

Namuri wrote...

^ Okay, here goes.
...this is gonna take awhile 8D;

take your time :3

and i have no idea what is going on with the quotes in my last post

BUT! to get back on topic~


Credit

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

That is...

SO CUTE!

[Namuri]

'd
And that. Is. Adorable.
Seconded!

[ravenimage]

Rheia wrote...

Seems to me if you want to rivalmance Fenris, you have to be a complete dick to him.

buh, why do you people keep saying that :/. Granted if you play a mage it is a little easier to get rivalry up, but I've seriously never had to be mean and always had maxed rivalry early act 2 at the latest.

First conversation as a mage = automatic rivalry, with a bonus of a semi-flirty 'find out' answer to 'what kind of mage are you?' question.
Mansion talk: as an apostate who isn't trust easy and always on the move honest/evasive answer: 'I've started a life here.' as opposed to 'miss old home' = +rivalry
Visit to gallows: not all mages are horrible creatures dialog = massive rivalry.
Any pro-mage decisions = +rivalry
Being KIND to templar who lost his daughter (not extorting him for money) = rivalry
Being concerned for a life of child instead of butchering slavers with no regard to consequence = rivalry
etc. etc.
You can even easily grab a few friendship points by being anti-slaver without it mattering too much. Once even a little into rivalry, the gifts and conversations will push you into rivalry territory more.

I do agree that rivalry path has more 'bite' to it, but I wouldn't go as far as say that Hawke acts like a 'complete dick' to follow it.

Just a matter of opinion, however . Some prefer friendship, some rivalry

I know it isn't hard to rivalmance Fenris, and I'm aware of how to go that way. I just don't find it very appealing being in a relationship with someone isn't my friend to begin with, or who otherwise dislikes me. At least not in the long-term, lol. 

But some fans might perceive the rivalmance differently, and that's fine. To each their own. <3

[Sherbet Lemon]

Awwww....they're all so ADORABLE! 

It's late at night so I'll quietly squee so that my neighbors don't want to shoot me! 

[ejoslin]

ravenimage wrote...

I know it isn't hard to rivalmance Fenris, and I'm aware of how to go that way. I just don't find it very appealing being in a relationship with someone isn't my friend to begin with, or who otherwise dislikes me. At least not in the long-term, lol. 

But some fans might perceive the rivalmance differently, and that's fine. To each their own. <3

I don't think a rivalmance is about dislike at all.  I think they like each other very much -- but they disagree on fundamental issues, which is why they're rivals.  They that can argue about the things they feel most passionate about and still fall in love -- that he will set aside all he believes in to stand by Hawke in the end (as he does in a friendmance) I think shows that there is affection, respect, and genuine caring there.

Even in the rivalry conversations, there is no real meanness.  There's some frustration at a few points, but nothing that indicates dislike.

[DemonSaya]

ejoslin wrote...

ravenimage wrote...

I know it isn't hard to rivalmance Fenris, and I'm aware of how to go that way. I just don't find it very appealing being in a relationship with someone isn't my friend to begin with, or who otherwise dislikes me. At least not in the long-term, lol. 

But some fans might perceive the rivalmance differently, and that's fine. To each their own. <3

I don't think a rivalmance is about dislike at all.  I think they like each other very much -- but they disagree on fundamental issues, which is why they're rivals.  They that can argue about the things they feel most passionate about and still fall in love -- that he will set aside all he believes in to stand by Hawke in the end (as he does in a friendmance) I think shows that there is affection, respect, and genuine caring there.

Even in the rivalry conversations, there is no real meanness.  There's some frustration at a few points, but nothing that indicates dislike.

This.
You think that a 'rivalmance' wouldn't last in the long run, but that's not entirely true, not even in actual practice.  In order to be true rivals, you still have to know the person rather well, and there has to be some trust involved, because even though you disagree, you know you can count on that person when it matters.
Take this from someone who is in a real life 'rivalmance'.  My husband and I agree on very few things, however we've been married for seven years (this Saturday ) and we are still madly in love with each other.  That said, we can get angry enough with each other that we have some of the worst fights I've had in my life, but when we do agree on something, it brings you closer together and builds the trust between you even more.  I know that if anything bad ever happened, he would have my back and I have his equally.

Besides, love and hate is a very narrow line.  That line is respect.

[ravenimage]

ejoslin wrote...

ravenimage wrote...

I know it isn't hard to rivalmance Fenris, and I'm aware of how to go that way. I just don't find it very appealing being in a relationship with someone isn't my friend to begin with, or who otherwise dislikes me. At least not in the long-term, lol. 

But some fans might perceive the rivalmance differently, and that's fine. To each their own. <3

I don't think a rivalmance is about dislike at all.  I think they like each other very much -- but they disagree on fundamental issues, which is why they're rivals.  They that can argue about the things they feel most passionate about and still fall in love -- that he will set aside all he believes in to stand by Hawke in the end (as he does in a friendmance) I think shows that there is affection, respect, and genuine caring there.

Even in the rivalry conversations, there is no real meanness.  There's some frustration at a few points, but nothing that indicates dislike.

And I thought it was the same on the friendship path. I may try the rivalry path again, but his gift and romance scenes made me cringe. His personality aside, I really never felt the "affection" -- just the sexual tension. 

Plus, even as a mage I felt more kinship with Fenris than say, Anders or Merrill. My Hawke supported their individual causes but argued with them constantly. She felt she owed nothing to other mages in the same way Fenris doesn't seem to feel any connection to elves. Anders annoyed her. She liked Merrill but thought she was stupid. And she absolutely abhorred demons and abominations -- even "good" ones. 

Ultimately, a romance with Fenris doesn't even have much to do with pro-mage or anti-mage beliefs. It has a lot to do with Hawke's personality. Fenris seems to rival people who are like him -- the cold-blooded survivalist -- because he wants something different than just constant survival. At least, I noticed that during his first conversation in Denarius' mansion when he asks you if you ever thought about returning to Ferelden. He dislikes the "Never" response. He also rivals pro-mageness, of course, but that always seemed like a small difference in the big picture, because (at least as a mage) his frustrations about magic dim by Act 3 in the romance. They're not gone, but he doesn't seem to get as riled up when you talk about it.

[Tealsie]

lydlyd wrote...

Hi everyone! I thought I might share my version of Fenris with you guys.


More to come!

Kind of random, but: I am in love with how many different designs I have seen for the markings on his chest.  seriously. Makes me all the more excited to see if we'll ever get to see them in-game.
As a random request: could someone possible come up with some idea for those on his back? It could be a quick mspaint sketch if you like, but I'm curious what people think they could look like.

[ravenimage]

DemonSaya wrote...

This.
You think that a 'rivalmance' wouldn't last in the long run, but that's not entirely true, not even in actual practice.  In order to be true rivals, you still have to know the person rather well, and there has to be some trust involved, because even though you disagree, you know you can count on that person when it matters.
Take this from someone who is in a real life 'rivalmance'.  My husband and I agree on very few things, however we've been married for seven years (this Saturday ) and we are still madly in love with each other.  That said, we can get angry enough with each other that we have some of the worst fights I've had in my life, but when we do agree on something, it brings you closer together and builds the trust between you even more.  I know that if anything bad ever happened, he would have my back and I have his equally.

Besides, love and hate is a very narrow line.  That line is respect.

I understand that, I do. Really. Everyone seems to misunderstand me. I know that a rivalmance -- even in actual practice -- is very possible and works. However, I don't find it appealing. We'll see what happens if I ever fall in love with someone with whom I agree on almost nothing, but as a personal preference I need someone who's on my side. I have a friend I love dearly but we argue all the time. I respect him, but I could never be in an intimate relationship with him. 

That isn't to say I want someone who agrees with me all the time either. Or that I think rivals aren't in some complicated way, friends. I simply have preferences.