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[elenilote]

Fenn wrote...

 He is a skilled warrior and I would think that is rare in Tevinter. I'm sure he would also be quite the skilled body guard so it can be interpreted in many ways.

Well Fenris states himself that he was D's bodyguard. But that does not exclude sex - as mentioned in lots of posts D would certainly have sought to abuse his position as F's master and sexual humiliation is probably on the top of the list of things to do to another person to break them


Oh, I'm ToP!

Have a Fenris everyone:

Modifié par elenilote, 31 mars 2011 - 07:59 .

[Namuri]

@ Nemo66:
YOUR SIG IS AMAZING.
Orsino FTW!... until the end, anyways.

Edit: So that I don't go offtopic... again:

To Denarius raping Fenris: I don't get why he would, considering Fenris could rip his heart out of his chest. Yes, I know that Fenris was his slave, and that it did a lot of stuff to him mentally. But in a situation like that, he's going to struggle (Why would the sicko do it otherwise?) and when someone can phase through objects, including /people/ that seems like a problem.

Modifié par Namuri, 31 mars 2011 - 08:00 .

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...
Hmmm, I actually think it's funny that Fenris and Isabela get together (that banter is priceless).  As far as the jealous conversation -- it is another instance where the 3 year gap makes ZERO sense.  It's like Hawke is in stasis for 3 years or something.  Fenris questioning about it when it should be old news is weird -- it sounds like it's something that just happened (and that key GRRRRR).  Really, the time gap between act 2 and 3 makes no sense to me at all as far as relationships go.  Anders and Merrill are horrible, with Fenris and Isabela almost as bad.  I wonder what the time gap was originally supposed to be when the romances were written.

I think it's pretty funny too. 

And yeah the jealous convo makes zero sense. The key is to the cellar ejoslin. I gave Anders house key as soon as I invited him to live with me. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.   

Anders actually isn't that terrible if you read his codex. After the issue with the girl in Dissent he eased off the Mage Revolution thing for a while before something inspiried him to take it up again. (Frankly I think Vengeance justgot more and more influence *on the Rivalrypath anyway*) Fenris makes absoluely no sense to me, I haven't done Izzy's romance and Merrill's romance is so bugged I can't tell what's what so...

I have to wonder about the timegap as well. Really the game could've been condensed into 4 years and still made plenty of sense. I don't know why we needed 3 year time skips. 

BPearl12 wrote...
I don't get it either.  I'm glad they hook up.  In my playthrough where I rivaled Fenris without a romance he just seemed so lonely.  I doubt they would have had anything long term and I'm sure they both knew that.  But, she could have helped him open up and eventually find someone who really would love him.

Exactly he's not like Anders who holds a torch for Hawke regardless and never ends up with anyone else. 

And Fenris needed to loosen up. The guy was in the house all by himself. At least Merrill and Anders have something to do other than be bored in their houses. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 08:02 .

[Namuri]

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Hmmm, I actually think it's funny that Fenris and Isabela get together (that banter is priceless).  As far as the jealous conversation -- it is another instance where the 3 year gap makes ZERO sense.  It's like Hawke is in stasis for 3 years or something.  Fenris questioning about it when it should be old news is weird -- it sounds like it's something that just happened (and that key GRRRRR).  Really, the time gap between act 2 and 3 makes no sense to me at all as far as relationships go.  Anders and Merrill are horrible, with Fenris and Isabela almost as bad.  I wonder what the time gap was originally supposed to be when the romances were written.

I think it's pretty funny too. 

And yeah the jealous convo makes zero sense. The key is to the cellar ejoslin. I gave Anders house key as soon as I invited him to live with me. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.   

Anders actually isn't that terrible if you read his codex. Fenris makes absoluely no sense to me, I haven't done Izzy's romance and Merrill's romance is so bugged I can't tell what's what so...

I have to wonder about the timegap as well. Really the game could've been condensed into 4 years and still made plenty of sense. I don't know why we needed 3 year time skips.

It's so that Ten years could've passed since the Blight.
I don't know why, but I'm pretty sure that's significant.

Modifié par Namuri, 31 mars 2011 - 08:03 .

[HolyJellyfish]

My theme song for Fenris atm.

Hardest of Hearts by Florence + The Machine

[Ryzaki]

Namuri wrote...
It's so that Ten years could've passed since the Blight.
I don't know why, but I'm pretty sure that's significant.

Probably is. But in DA2 doesn't feel significant at all and feels like Hawke just goes into stasis. (Or maybe Hawke goes on trips at the end of every act.) 

[Addai]

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't understand. Who cares if he sleeps with Izzy in some alternate universe where you're not even together? That would be like him getting jealous Hawke's with Anders in certain games (frankly that "If you hurt him I'll kill you makes me roll my eyes). It's been 3 years and you dumped Hawke. You have no right to threaten Anders. Zip. 

You don't always react logically to such things.    I don't mind Isabela + Fenris because I'm mostly indifferent to her, but the suggestion that Alistair and Leliana got together in AU made me want to fireball that Orlesian ditz even more than usual.  And I know it's irrational- I own it!  Therefore I can sympathize with people going a little bonkers over a least favorite character hooking up with a favorite character.

[Addai]

Ryzaki wrote...
And Fenris needed to loosen up. The guy was in the house all by himself. At least Merrill and Anders have something to do other than be bored in their houses. 

I keep seeing this- no he wasn't!  He's out drinking and playing cards in the Hanged Man.  In their banter Varric asks "coming for Wicked Grace later?" and Fenris answers "never miss it."  Granted that was on a Fenris-romanced pt but I'm assuming it's there generally.

[Torax]

Addai67 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
And Fenris needed to loosen up. The guy was in the house all by himself. At least Merrill and Anders have something to do other than be bored in their houses. 

I keep seeing this- no he wasn't!  He's out drinking and playing cards in the Hanged Man.  In their banter Varric asks "coming for Wicked Grace later?" and Fenris answers "never miss it."  Granted that was on a Fenris-romanced pt but I'm assuming it's there generally.

It's like if people think Merrill was always in her hovel. She's seen talking to Isabela repeatedly. Anders is seen at least once talking to Varric. The hanged man is a prefered hang out. Can even assume the Dog goes wtih Varric at times to play as well. He has been training him.

Modifié par Torax, 31 mars 2011 - 08:13 .

[ejoslin]

Donnic also visits Fenris for cards once a week.

Edit: Hah, saw my last post!  WTB paragraphs!

Really, though, you would think for Anders the key to the cellar is what he would use to begin with seeing as it is right outside of his clinic!

A one year gap would be better, and an acknowledgement that Anders moved in with Hawke in act 2 instead of act 3 would also work better (that Fenris doesn't confront him about it until Act 3, and it DOES sound like it's a new thing goes along with the key weirdness IMO Hawke-in-stasis thing).

Modifié par ejoslin, 31 mars 2011 - 08:26 .

[zee Anjan]

Gah... I get to unfocused today to pay attention to every post in here ... and this is what happens... -sighes- How on earth am I going to find the strenght to catch up with all of this?
Guess I need to remember wich page I was on to start with... then I can start reading up on all the nice Fenris related stuff you guys have written...

edit: Should probably also go over any song suggestions that might have popped up. I know some people has been a darling to me today and fetched them for me to add, but can't expect her to keep doing my work for me. xD

Modifié par zee Anjan, 31 mars 2011 - 08:24 .

[elenilote]

@zee
we can always give you the bullet points later

[analogwatch]

Namuri wrote...
To Denarius raping Fenris: I don't get why he would, considering Fenris could rip his heart out of his chest. Yes, I know that Fenris was his slave, and that it did a lot of stuff to him mentally. But in a situation like that, he's going to struggle (Why would the sicko do it otherwise?) and when someone can phase through objects, including /people/ that seems like a problem.

You would be surprised what breaking someone's spirit will do to a person. Remember how Fenris said he never dreamed of running away? If Danarius had been raping him (which I doubt he was, personally) he would have held 100% of the power in the situation. It's a predicament you never want to find yourself in.

Modifié par analogwatch, 31 mars 2011 - 08:25 .

[Cutlasskiwi]

'd by ejoslin

Modifié par Yellow Words, 31 mars 2011 - 08:24 .

[zee Anjan]

elenilote wrote...

@zee
we can always give you the bullet points later

awww... your to much of a sweetheart XD
-is feeling the love-

[Ryzaki]

Addai67 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
And Fenris needed to loosen up. The guy was in the house all by himself. At least Merrill and Anders have something to do other than be bored in their houses. 

I keep seeing this- no he wasn't!  He's out drinking and playing cards in the Hanged Man.  In their banter Varric asks "coming for Wicked Grace later?" and Fenris answers "never miss it."  Granted that was on a Fenris-romanced pt but I'm assuming it's there generally.

 

Have I seen that on non romanced playthroughs? I think I have. 

Despite that though Varric does ask him what does he do in that house all alone. And his codex itself mentions he knows very few people. And something about mercenary jobs. I have to refind it. 

That said yes theydo meet at the Hanged Man every week. So yes he's not in the house all by himself. Doesn't stop him from knowing very few people outside their little group. (Like Merrill I suspect but she at least is probably trying to isolate herself due to the dangers of the mirror). They know each other because  they fight with each other and bicker and bond because they all are the merry band of misfits. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 08:35 .

[DemonSaya]

elenilote wrote...

Fenn wrote...

 He is a skilled warrior and I would think that is rare in Tevinter. I'm sure he would also be quite the skilled body guard so it can be interpreted in many ways.

Well Fenris states himself that he was D's bodyguard. But that does not exclude sex - as mentioned in lots of posts D would certainly have sought to abuse his position as F's master and sexual humiliation is probably on the top of the list of things to do to another person to break them


Oh, I'm ToP!

Have a Fenris everyone:

Yes, Elen.  You top us all  

And I would have snipped the picture...but...Fenris...

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

Donnic also visits Fenris for cards once a week.

Edit: Hah, saw my last post!  WTB paragraphs!

Really, though, you would think for Anders the key to the cellar is what he would use to begin with seeing as it is right outside of his clinic!

A one year gap would be better, and an acknowledgement that Anders moved in with Hawke in act 2 instead of act 3 would also work better (that Fenris doesn't confront him about it until Act 3, and it DOES sound like it's a new thing goes along with the key weirdness IMO Hawke-in-stasis thing).

Yeah but I don't think the templar incident probably was as bad then. (And Meredith wasn't as crazy). 

I think he does move in during act2 (he probably moves in a few days after you say he can). And Fenris really shouldn't confront him period. He has no right. He slept with Hawke once there was no acknowledgement of an relationship (other than him stealing Hawke's crest and favor.) Ugh. The more I think of it the more I want to smack Fenris upside the head. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 08:40 .

[elenilote]

analogwatch wrote...

Namuri wrote...
To Denarius raping Fenris: I don't get why he would, considering Fenris could rip his heart out of his chest. Yes, I know that Fenris was his slave, and that it did a lot of stuff to him mentally. But in a situation like that, he's going to struggle (Why would the sicko do it otherwise?) and when someone can phase through objects, including /people/ that seems like a problem.

You would be surprised what breaking someone's spirit will do to a person. Remember how Fenris said he never dreamed of running away? If Danarius had been raping him (which I doubt he was, personally) he would have held 100% of the power in the situation. It's a predicament you never want to find yourself in.

Sexual abuse does not need to take the form of actual rape. 

[Shadow_Soul]

Hiya guys. (I'm a lurker sometimes before I post.)

Fenris is awesome and he comes everywhere with my Hawke. My rogue (Kathrine Morgana Hawke) just love him. He's just a great character. (My poor boyfriend, he has to deal with me fangirling, but he does tease me about it.) I'm a fangirl, what can I say?

Er, I already joined the FB group as well, so...but, for anybody who didn't know and would like to, my boyfriend and I are working on some cosplay for Fenris and LadyHawke. I post updates on FB, but if any of you guys are interrested, I'll post 'em here as well.

Oh, I'm a writer. So I'll have fanfics now and again if people want to read. As well as I draw...sorta. I'm not good, but here's  one of my peices, so tell me what you think (there's also a quick fanfic I did to go with it in the description, it explains the picture a bit more) : http://shadow--soul....t.com/#/d3c70io Like I said, I suck at drawing, and don't do it much, but if there are any tips any artists here have, I'd be glad to take note.

[elenilote]

@Demon
awww - well, what can I say - I like being on top

[UrsulaCousland]

OK, just got the act 3 courtyard pounce. *squee* *melts and gets all misty*

[Maiafay]

Okay, not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but I'm writing a story, casting Fenris as the antagonist. He's hunting his former lover, blood mage M!Hawke, who is trying to cross the Tevinter border. Fenris isn't "evil" in this story, but I'm taking his extreme views and showing what would happen if they never were tempered in the game.

Hawke is on the run following the events of DA2, and ends up hiding in the Arlathan forest. Thedas is threatening war against the Imperium for harboring apostates, hence why the Tevinter borders are closed. I'm currently doing some research into the lore - which is going fine at the moment.

But what I don't understand (and this is so stupid that I'm even worried about it) is "when" to use the proper address for Hawke (or anyone else). The serrah and messer. What is the difference? Is there a codex somewhere that explains little details such as this? And would anyone call Fenris, serrah? What is the criteria to use that address?

I feel like such a nerd.

Modifié par Maiafay, 31 mars 2011 - 08:43 .

[phyreblade74]

elenilote wrote...

analogwatch wrote...

Namuri wrote...
To Denarius raping Fenris: I don't get why he would, considering Fenris could rip his heart out of his chest. Yes, I know that Fenris was his slave, and that it did a lot of stuff to him mentally. But in a situation like that, he's going to struggle (Why would the sicko do it otherwise?) and when someone can phase through objects, including /people/ that seems like a problem.

You would be surprised what breaking someone's spirit will do to a person. Remember how Fenris said he never dreamed of running away? If Danarius had been raping him (which I doubt he was, personally) he would have held 100% of the power in the situation. It's a predicament you never want to find yourself in.

Sexual abuse does not need to take the form of actual rape. 

This.

I tend to think Danarius would use sexual exploitation, of some sort, more to demonstrate or otherwise display his control over Fenris.  I tend to picture those parties Fenris describes in one of the early cutscenes, where he says Danarius would have him collared.  He says that Danarius' guests found his appearance "intimidating", something that pleased Danarius.  So I can picture him stripping Fenris bare and parading him throughout the room in front of a slew of people, perhaps. 

His bitterly angry "Shut up, Danarius" is just too strong, hints at some kind of abuse Fenris doesn't want described in that open forum and most especially not in front of Hawke.

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Donnic also visits Fenris for cards once a week.

Edit: Hah, saw my last post!  WTB paragraphs!

Really, though, you would think for Anders the key to the cellar is what he would use to begin with seeing as it is right outside of his clinic!

A one year gap would be better, and an acknowledgement that Anders moved in with Hawke in act 2 instead of act 3 would also work better (that Fenris doesn't confront him about it until Act 3, and it DOES sound like it's a new thing goes along with the key weirdness IMO Hawke-in-stasis thing).

Yeah but I don't think the templar incident probably was as bad then. (And Meredith wasn't as crazy). 

I think he does move in during act2 (he probably moves in a few days after you say he can). And Fenris really shouldn't confront him period. He has no right. He slept with Hawke once there was no acknowledgement of an relationship (other than him stealing Hawke's crest and favor.) Ugh. The more I think of it the more I want to smack Fenris upside the head. 

It's not a matter of templars.  It's a matter of either home being RIGHT THERE, or having to travel quite a distance.

And actually, I agree that Fenris really didn't have a right, but it certainly is a squee moment anyway.  OTOH, he's being protective -- Anders confronts Hawke about Fenris as well, to the point of insulting him, calling him more a dog than a man.  He also will ask if Hawke doesn't want to be with someone more open minded.

Neither man has a monopoly on propriety where Hawke is concerned.