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[elenilote]

phyreblade74 wrote...

I tend to think Danarius would use sexual exploitation, of some sort, more to demonstrate or otherwise display his control over Fenris.  I tend to picture those parties Fenris describes in one of the early cutscenes, where he says Danarius would have him collared.  He says that Danarius' guests found his appearance "intimidating", something that pleased Danarius.  So I can picture him stripping Fenris bare and parading him throughout the room in front of a slew of people, perhaps. 

His bitterly angry "Shut up, Danarius" is just too strong, hints at some kind of abuse Fenris doesn't want described in that open forum and most especially not in front of Hawke.

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Modifié par elenilote, 31 mars 2011 - 08:55 .

[Ladivixxen]

Uh... the Isabella fenris banter just made my stomach flip...

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote..
It's not a matter of templars.  It's a matter of either home being RIGHT THERE, or having to travel quite a distance.

And actually, I agree that Fenris really didn't have a right, but it certainly is a squee moment anyway.  OTOH, he's being protective -- Anders confronts Hawke about Fenris as well, to the point of insulting him, calling him more a dog than a man.  He also will ask if Hawke doesn't want to be with someone more open minded.

Neither man has a monopoly on propriety where Hawke is concerned.

True but whatgood is a secret passage if you constantly use it. The more you use it the more likely you are to be seen using it. Better to keep it for emergencies. 

Plus the secret passage might be the long way around. 

Plus Anders probably wanted to go shopping or something instead of heading directly home. Patients might've needed him on the way there or something. I dunno. *shrugs* I justify it by saying he didn't need the key until then. 

Frankly neither man has any right to yap on each other. (Frankly I wanted to slap Anders upside the head plenty of times) I was only pointing out Fenris because this be the Fenris thread. 

And yeah thy're just plain nasty to one another. It's the reason I can't romance Fenris and then Anders. They act so catty and petty to each other that it's just...ugh. Do not want. 

I miss Zevran's gentle teasing of Alistair. The two of them didn't feel the need to get nasty with each other over the warden (unlike Leliana and Morrigan which made me roll my eyes). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 08:48 .

[MelRedux]

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Donnic also visits Fenris for cards once a week.

Edit: Hah, saw my last post!  WTB paragraphs!

Really, though, you would think for Anders the key to the cellar is what he would use to begin with seeing as it is right outside of his clinic!

A one year gap would be better, and an acknowledgement that Anders moved in with Hawke in act 2 instead of act 3 would also work better (that Fenris doesn't confront him about it until Act 3, and it DOES sound like it's a new thing goes along with the key weirdness IMO Hawke-in-stasis thing).

Yeah but I don't think the templar incident probably was as bad then. (And Meredith wasn't as crazy). 

I think he does move in during act2 (he probably moves in a few days after you say he can). And Fenris really shouldn't confront him period. He has no right. He slept with Hawke once there was no acknowledgement of an relationship (other than him stealing Hawke's crest and favor.) Ugh. The more I think of it the more I want to smack Fenris upside the head. 

He didn't need to be her boyfriend to threaten Anders.  He does it because he cares for her. in some manner.  Brothers threaten their sister's boyfirends, no?

[Ryzaki]

Mel_Redux wrote..
He didn't need to be her boyfriend to threaten Anders.  He does it because he cares for her. in some manner.  Brothers threaten their sister's boyfirends, no?

Except for the fact that he only does it if he and Hawke slept together. 

And Fenris isn't Hawke's brother, not to mention Hawke is a grown man and doesn't need Fenris minding his business. 

I mean it would be cute if Bethany/Carver did it. A nice d'awww moment. But Fenris and Hawke don't even have to be friends. It's remarkably out of place on most of my Hawkes. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 08:51 .

[MelRedux]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote..
He didn't need to be her boyfriend to threaten Anders.  He does it because he cares for her. in some manner.  Brothers threaten their sister's boyfirends, no?

Except for the fact that he only does it if he and Hawke slept together. 

And Fenris isn't Hawke's brother, not to mention Hawke is a grown man and doesn't need Fenris minding his business. 

I mean it would be cute if Bethany/Carver did it. A nice d'awww moment. But Fenris and Hawke don't even have to be friends. It's remarkably out of place on most of my Hawkes. 

But he CARES about her.  He doesn't need a "I've been her boyfriend and slept with her more than once" card to care and be protective.

[buggirl]

I have a quick question about the Codex. Does it ever update? In both my PTs, "after 3 years" just says that Fenris and Hawke never quite discussed what happened and that there are unsolved issues, it seemed a bit odd but I also checked it after completing the game (and the romance) and it never changed.

[Ryzaki]

Mel_Redux wrote...

But he CARES about her.  He doesn't need a "I've been her boyfriend and slept with her more than once" card to care and be protective.

 His caring and protective nature looks rather flat when he did the same thing himself. 

Then again I don't find such things appealing. It's irritating. 

If he had done what Varric does with Friendlyconcern it would've been nice. As it is I think the whole thing I just bleh. My hawke would've turned around and said frankly for fenris to mind his business. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 08:59 .

[analogwatch]

elenilote wrote...
Sexual abuse does not need to take the form of actual rape.

You are absolutely 100% correct, and I really should've elaborated upon that in the post. I don't think Danarius was outright raping him (as I said) but I do think there was some degree of sexual humiliation of some sort going on, I absolutely do. Why else would Fenris be so reluctant with Hawke at first? ("Another evening, perhaps." when Hawke propositions him the first time.)

Modifié par analogwatch, 31 mars 2011 - 08:56 .

[zee Anjan]

elenilote wrote...

@Demon
awww - well, what can I say - I like being on top

This... You already know what I was going to say. xD

And I guess I will have to start playing with the thought of Fenris tattoos on his chest and shoulder now since I am starting to run out of other things to do to avoid drawing them XD

[ejoslin]

buggirl wrote...

I have a quick question about the Codex. Does it ever update? In both my PTs, "after 3 years" just says that Fenris and Hawke never quite discussed what happened and that there are unsolved issues, it seemed a bit odd but I also checked it after completing the game (and the romance) and it never changed.

No, it does not.  It seems like it should, though, doesn't it.

[elenilote]

zee Anjan wrote...

This... You already know what I was going to say. xD

I aim to please *bow*

Modifié par elenilote, 31 mars 2011 - 09:02 .

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

But he CARES about her.  He doesn't need a "I've been her boyfriend and slept with her more than once" card to care and be protective.

 His caring and protective nature looks rather flat when he did the same thing himself. 

Then again I don't find such things appealing. It's irritating. 

If he had done what Varric does with Friendlyconcern it would've been nice. As it is I think the whole thing I just bleh. My hawke would've turned around and said frankly for fenris to mind his business. 

This is one of the reasons I prefer the rivalmance with him.  I don't get him leaving when "All I wanted was to be happy... for a little while."  My reaction to that really is, "This isn't just about you."  With a rivalmance, I can see him kicking himself for letting it happen.  This would just be another instance of his feelings getting in the way of his better judgement.  The conversation [threatening Anders] itself just seems to me a gut reaction to something he just heard and he speaks without thinking.

Which would  be a good explanation if it weren't THREE YEARS LATER!  *grin*

Modifié par ejoslin, 31 mars 2011 - 09:08 .

[Namuri]

analogwatch wrote...

elenilote wrote...
Sexual abuse does not need to take the form of actual rape.

You are absolutely 100% correct, and I really should've elaborated upon that in the post. I don't think Danarius was outright raping him (as I said) but I do think there was some degree of sexual humiliation of some sort going on, I absolutely do. Why else would Fenris be so reluctant with Hawke at first? ("Another evening, perhaps." when Hawke propositions him the first time.)

I assumed it was because he was a little drunk at the time. >>
Also, sorry. I just thought you guys were talking about him getting raped. Which doesn't make sense to me, from a technical stand point.

edit: @ejoslin: I agree with you, about the line. :/ My first PT, I friendmanced him, (not knowing he would leave) and as soon as he said that I was like ... WHAT ABOUT HAWKE?  She has feelings too, you know.

Modifié par Namuri, 31 mars 2011 - 09:11 .

[Eirnae]

*drags herself out of lurkdom*

Er, hello?  Eh hem.  I've been wanting to post here for a while, but got lost a couple of times in the flurry of captivating topics.  Anyway ...

I myself first stumbled upon the aforementioned Isabela and Fenris banter BEFORE my fem!Hawke first slept with Fenris.  The jealousy that surged caught me completely offguard.  I practically snarled at the screen, "What do you think you're doing, ****?!" and I like Isabela.  *facepalm*  Sooo, yeah, I reloaded after I poked around online and realized that a romanced Fenris responded differently.  At least my Hawke got a "smug moment" out of it?

@Ryzaki
I can understand where the frustration comes from.  The time gap makes the whole confrontation seems out of place.  I had the vibe of "Great, we're talking about this NOW?" less than halfway through.  Still, awkward and illtimed as it was, I'm glad they tossed it in there.  Better it than nothing.  (I'd have preferred a buddy-buddy chat with Varric, too.  That would have been awesome!)

Does anyone else wish we got more involvement with Fenris in scenes when visiting with others?  Wait, why am I asking this again? 

Edit:  Grammar escaped me, again.  Bah.

Modifié par Eirnae, 31 mars 2011 - 09:16 .

[buggirl]

I always saw his interaction with Danarius nothing more than obedience by instinct. The same way Fenris turns against the warriors who nursed him back to health and for whom he had developed respect and admiration when his master commands him to do so. There is no thinking involved, he just does it.

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...
This is one of the reasons I prefer the rivalmance with him.  I don't get him leaving when "All I wanted was to be happy... for a little while."  My reaction to that really is, "This isn't just about you."  With a rivalmance, I can see him kicking himself for letting it happen.  This would just be another instance of his feelings getting in the way of his better judgement.  The conversation [threatening Anders] itself just seems to me a gut reaction to something he just heard and he speaks without thinking.

Which would  be a good explanation if it weren't THREE YEARS LATER!  *grin*

Ah. I thought that line was sad. I wanted to huggle him for a bit. But still yeah the ditching on the rivalry path feels better to me as well. 

And yeah it would be if it wasn't three years later and Anders hadn't been living with Hawke for at least 2 years.  I have to imagine they would've seen each other when Fenris came over to Hawke's house for drinks or something. And knowing how petty and possesive Anders is he probably would've tried to jump Hawke somewhere Fenris could hear. 

Eirnae wrote...
I can understand where the frustration comes from. The time gap makes the whole confrontation seems out of place. I had the vibe of "Great, we're talking about this NOW?" less than halfway through. Still, awkward and illtimed as it was, I'm glad they tossed it in there. Better it than nothing. (I'd have preferred a buddy-buddy chat with Varric, too. That would have been awesome!)

LOL so did I. My first reaction was a "dude...laaaaate." Before he threatened Anders and my eye twitched. 

I think you're supposed to get a buddy buddy chat with Varric about all the LIs. (I can only get it to trigger with Anders though). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 09:19 .

[Victia]

YYes, the time gaps just confuse me both for romances and general storyline, it seems to me that 1 year skips would have made more sense!

As to fenris and D's sexual thing, my take on it was that there was def sexual abuse there but not raping directly from D. I see it more as humiliation (as some others have said) but maybe also as a bit of a Sparticus thing ie have sex with this person for our viewing pleasure but maybe that's just me

[ejoslin]

The LI chats are bugged. I've triggered Fenris' via console, and ended up with him starting talking about Fenris and switching to Isabela halfway through.

I wonder what the upcoming patch really is going to address. If it doesn't address dialog bugs, I hope they release a toolset :/

[phyreblade74]

buggirl wrote...

I always saw his interaction with Danarius nothing more than obedience by instinct. The same way Fenris turns against the warriors who nursed him back to health and for whom he had developed respect and admiration when his master commands him to do so. There is no thinking involved, he just does it.

Actually, I think this is why Danarius reacted the way that he did, when it is Fenris snarls at him, "Shut up, Danarius."  The look on his face is one of utter and complete shock.  And fear.  Then he starts backing away, even as he mutters to Fenris something about, "That's Master to you."

I believe he honestly thought the confrontation would go along much as it did when he told Fenris to kill the Fog Warriors, and Fenris did as he was told.  Danarius simply doesn't realize Fenris has changed, grown beyond that broken slave he was when he killed those warriors.  He regards Hawke as nothing more than another Fog Warrior he will have Fenris kill.  But this time is different.  This time, Fenris truly is a free man, and he isn't under Danarius' control in the least.

I always imagine Danarius must have been crapping his pants in that moment he finally realizes what Fenris has become.  I certainly hope so.

[DemonSaya]

*headbangs*

[ravenimage]

Ladivixxen wrote...

Uh... the Isabella fenris banter just made my stomach flip...

Don't worry.

I don't think Fenris would go through all that trouble of staying in Kirkwall, wearing Hawke's favor, consoling him / her, and standing by him / her in the end battle when he doesn't have to just to shack up with Isabela -- or any other potential sexual interest, for that matter.

[Addai]

buggirl wrote...

I always saw his interaction with Danarius nothing more than obedience by instinct. The same way Fenris turns against the warriors who nursed him back to health and for whom he had developed respect and admiration when his master commands him to do so. There is no thinking involved, he just does it.

He says something similar in "Shepherding Wolves" when Ketojan suddenly fries the raider and Hawke is trying to talk him down.  Fenris pipes in with something like "I know that kind of blind instinct.  It's difficult to say how much control he has."

*edited for typo

Modifié par Addai67, 31 mars 2011 - 09:32 .

[elenilote]

Addai67 wrote...

buggirl wrote...

I always saw his interaction with Danarius nothing more than obedience by instinct. The same way Fenris turns against the warriors who nursed him back to health and for whom he had developed respect and admiration when his master commands him to do so. There is no thinking involved, he just does it.

He says something similar in "Shepherding Wolves" when Ketojan suddenly fries the raider and Hawke is trying to talk him down.  Fenris pipes in with something like "I know that kind of blind instinct.  It's difficult to say if how much control he has."

Oooh I totally thought this too!

[SurrealSadi]

Tealsie wrote...

Shail666 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
Maybe not all Hawkes would want to settle down, but mine certainly would want to. She spent most of her life hiding and running, and finally thought she might find a home in Kirkwall when fame and fortune ruined that and cost her everything. She's probably seriously considering taking up farming.

Fenris seemed keen on finding a place to call home as well, but I don't know whether or not he just likes the idea in theory.

Someone should write this. I have a thing for fiction that shows characters just living the life.  I could totally see my Hawke be a farmer too. I think they'd both just sleep with a knife under their pillows.

Fenris would be the deadliest farmer ever.
...and now my mind has strayed towards imagining a cowboy!Fenris.  wearing the hat, leaned up against a wall, one hand in a pocket/resting on his hip, a piece of wheat/grass stuck out of his mouth...

I....I want to see someone draw that soooo badly now....