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[danitza81]

ejoslin wrote...

danitza81 wrote...

Just something that has been bugging me for a while, feel free to ignore it...

I could be wrong, but I got the impression that the romances in DA2 ended up this messy because of content being cut from the game and the writers hurriedly trying to patch together what was left.

It's just too many small things that make little sense, like some crucial pieces of information were missing. Why would Fenris feel entitled to threaten Zevran if he's not with Hawke? Why would Anders question their relationship when there's no real relationship, years later? At what point did Hawke give Fenris his/her favor, in what context? If nothing happened during those three years their relationship was "unresolved" and they never spoke about it, why is the option of saying "I hope we'll stay together" there, and why does he react so casually to it?

I'm sure we could stretch our imagination and come up with perfectly acceptable explanations for all those things if we tried really hard but... should we really have to? Some degree of ambiguity in storytelling is always good, but I get the feeling this was more than just that. Oh well. I guess we'll never know.

I have nothing to add, but I agree with this completely.  Fenris' reaction to Zevran is so weird, as is Anders asking about the relationship if they're not together.  I mean, you can metagame and get them back together first, but you don't need to (and in fact, my first playthrough I did not and just figured they were back together until I read his codex).

Yeah it felt weird having to check the codex to try and find out if my Hawke was in a relationship or not. Specially when the romances in DA:O progressed so naturally. I refuse to believe that this was intentional. I have too much faith in Mr. Gaider's talent for that

[Eirnae]

Heidenreich wrote...

I'm stuck, because when ever I start writing my husband plops desert in front of me. This afternoon it was icecream and I had to delete 10 paragraphs of writing because I'd lost my train of thought >.>

Evil, evil husbands

Can I counter his offer of ice cream with cookies?  Cookies help build railing for thought, really!  If Sten can include them during times of meditation, surely they can go along with writing? 

@danitza81
Act 2 and 3 DO feel as though they are missing chunks, like a plot weasel took little nibbles here and there, and even sometimes bit off even more than it could chew.  It was probably due to time constraints and such that things are so haphazard.  *sighs and mutters something about DLCs and hope*

Modifié par Eirnae, 31 mars 2011 - 10:53 .

[DemonSaya]

Eirnae wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

I'm stuck, because when ever I start writing my husband plops desert in front of me. This afternoon it was icecream and I had to delete 10 paragraphs of writing because I'd lost my train of thought >.>

Evil, evil husbands

Can I counter his offer of ice cream with cookies?  Cookies help build railing for thought, really!  If Sten can include them during times of meditation, surely they can go along with writing? 

My husband tries to get my attention when I'm writing and I'll hold up a finger.  He knows by now that means wait until I'm done with this and I'll be yours again.  Then again, it's been 7 years...>.>  He still sulks about it.

Then again, if he brought me ice cream more often, I would probably voluntarily let him steal my attention for awhile...

[Addai]

Eirnae wrote...

Addai67, Isabela and my Hawkes (I address both because, apparently, I can't deviate from the snarky personality to save my life, and their decisions hardly vary) started out on shaky footing, but eventually she became like a bawdy big sister.  I really didn't want to like her, and I tried reeeeally hard to focus on her negative elements.  The darn girl just makes me laugh too much.

I don't hate her and she does have some amusing lines, but all in all she's just bleh.  I don't have a gal pal in this game and it's kind of sad.  I'm playing a rogue to have Bethany in the party and I do like the fighting sisters element (esp as I'm playing an archer so they stick close) but Merrill and Isabela are neck and neck in leaving me apathetic.

Big challenge this game:  I want Bethany to become a Grey Warden but that means Fenris has to stay behind for the Deep Roads.    The party feels naked without the glowy swoop of death.

[DemonSaya]

Addai67 wrote...

Eirnae wrote...

Addai67, Isabela and my Hawkes (I address both because, apparently, I can't deviate from the snarky personality to save my life, and their decisions hardly vary) started out on shaky footing, but eventually she became like a bawdy big sister.  I really didn't want to like her, and I tried reeeeally hard to focus on her negative elements.  The darn girl just makes me laugh too much.

I don't hate her and she does have some amusing lines, but all in all she's just bleh.  I don't have a gal pal in this game and it's kind of sad.  I'm playing a rogue to have Bethany in the party and I do like the fighting sisters element (esp as I'm playing an archer so they stick close) but Merrill and Isabela are neck and neck in leaving me apathetic.

Big challenge this game:  I want Bethany to become a Grey Warden but that means Fenris has to stay behind for the Deep Roads.    The party feels naked without the glowy swoop of death.

LOVE THAT.

[Eirnae]

Heh heh .. glowy swoop of death.    Hear that, Fen?  New nickname!  Hee!

Aveline's more of a "gal pal", at least for my ladies.  She's the one who gets all concerned and speechy, but she's a pal never-the-less.  I felt Isabela was pretty "bleh" at first, too.  She grew on me.  Same thing with Merrill, actually.  Isabela was too over the top with the racy humor, and Merrill seemed far too naive even after being in the city for, what, three years?  Then six?  Dear Maker, girl, get some sense!  *cough*  Anyway, after repeat exposure, I find that I appreciate them both more.  Maybe it's because by Act 3 everything is just so morose that a little bit of humor goes a long way?

Modifié par Eirnae, 31 mars 2011 - 11:02 .

[DemonSaya]

Can I get a good shot of Fenris's arms? I need a front view, so that I can see the tattoos on them very clearly. All the references I can find have them quite blurry...;.;

In the name of sexy half-naked Fenris, help me!

[Addai]

Oh yeah, Aveline- I do like her, but I don't like tank builds so she's the least useful to me. Varric, Fenris and Carver were probably my favorite party ever. Their banters are also hilarious.

[Heidenreich]

DemonSaya wrote...

Eirnae wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

I'm stuck, because when ever I start writing my husband plops desert in front of me. This afternoon it was icecream and I had to delete 10 paragraphs of writing because I'd lost my train of thought >.>

Evil, evil husbands

Can I counter his offer of ice cream with cookies?  Cookies help build railing for thought, really!  If Sten can include them during times of meditation, surely they can go along with writing? 

My husband tries to get my attention when I'm writing and I'll hold up a finger.  He knows by now that means wait until I'm done with this and I'll be yours again.  Then again, it's been 7 years...>.>  He still sulks about it.

Then again, if he brought me ice cream more often, I would probably voluntarily let him steal my attention for awhile...

Yes yes coookies.. .....


INSPIRATION. BRB!



Also, I haven't carted Avaline around (minus quests relevent to her) since I started playing on hard. Fenris is my tank for all my hard play throughs.

Now, brb for inspriation laced with cookies.

Modifié par Heidenreich, 31 mars 2011 - 11:06 .

[Sherbet Lemon]

I guess I'm alone in my love for Isabela?

She left in my first playthrough as she didn't really get along with Vivianne Hawke as Vivi was a real goody-two shoes.  My good natured, but sarcastic and sometimes selfish rogue, Emmanuelle Hawke and she got on fabulously.  They were two peas in a pod.  The ending scene when your companions all talk to you, Isabela nearly made me cry as she swore she would make it up to me and that she wasn't going to let me down.  She said that she was going to be by my side no matter water.  T_T

I loved the ladies in this game.  Aveline has been bff's with all of my characters so far.  She's become sort of like Hawke's de facto big sister, and Merrill is the baby sister.
I guess I thought the women in this game were awesome!

[Eirnae]

*cheers!*  Behold, the power of COOKIES! 

Addai67 wrote...

Oh yeah, Aveline- I do like her, but I don't like tank builds so she's the least useful to me. Varric, Fenris and Carver were probably my favorite party ever. Their banters are also hilarious.

I was surprised by how fast I became fond of Carver.  That's my fave team right there too, nicknamed "Team Snark".  I've heard from others that a lot of the snark is missing when you get Carver back at long last.    I guess it's too much to ask for jokes when the world is going to the Void and back?

@Village Idiot
Oh, you aren't alone at all!

While I can't say that I love Isabela, I find her to be hilarious!  She's become pals with both my Hawkes, and returned each time with the relic in tow and a splash of refreshing sass.  Life would be boring without her.

Oddly enough, I think I'm in the minority for having Aveline around as much as I do.  She's been my tank in both playthroughs, and probably will keep filling that role in the future.  Unless, of course, I ever play a warrior tank.  I've heard folks say they've made Fenris their tank, and I can see how that could be done, but I prefer to have him flying around the battlefield looking awesome instead.  Swooping isn't bad if it's a glowy swoop! 

Modifié par Eirnae, 31 mars 2011 - 11:18 .

[PoisonTheCity]

Soo... while the subject is not too stale (a page or two back, I believe) did anyone else explore all the dialogue options with Danarius in the Alone quest? Because I quite firmly believed that Danarius didn't make any sexual demands of Fenris, but one of the lines he says to him, if you take the 'We can negotiate' option, has made me uncertain. He says, 'You weren't always this way, Fenris. Once upon a time you had affection for me. I remember it fondly.' in a creepy-guy-next-door voice.

Maybe I'm remembering the delivery wrong, but those are the exact lines, and it seemed a little too sexual to... not be sexual.

[Eirnae]

I haven't explored all of the conversation options, PoisonTheCity, but then I found Danarius's voice to be overally suggestive from the start. "The lad is rather skilled, isn't he?" really sunk that home for me. *growls at the memory* It's pure speculation on our parts, but such thoughts aren't far-fetched if you ask me.

[Sherbet Lemon]

PoisonTheCity wrote...

Soo... while the subject is not too stale (a page or two back, I believe) did anyone else explore all the dialogue options with Danarius in the Alone quest? Because I quite firmly believed that Danarius didn't make any sexual demands of Fenris, but one of the lines he says to him, if you take the 'We can negotiate' option, has made me uncertain. He says, 'You weren't always this way, Fenris. Once upon a time you had affection for me. I remember it fondly.' in a creepy-guy-next-door voice.

Maybe I'm remembering the delivery wrong, but those are the exact lines, and it seemed a little too sexual to... not be sexual.

....Oh geez.

That's just too awful for words.  Poor Fenris.  D:

[lizzbee]

Village Idiot wrote...

I guess I'm alone in my love for Isabela?

She left in my first playthrough as she didn't really get along with Vivianne Hawke as Vivi was a real goody-two shoes.  My good natured, but sarcastic and sometimes selfish rogue, Emmanuelle Hawke and she got on fabulously.  They were two peas in a pod.  The ending scene when your companions all talk to you, Isabela nearly made me cry as she swore she would make it up to me and that she wasn't going to let me down.  She said that she was going to be by my side no matter water.  T_T

I loved the ladies in this game.  Aveline has been bff's with all of my characters so far.  She's become sort of like Hawke's de facto big sister, and Merrill is the baby sister.
I guess I thought the women in this game were awesome!

No, I utterly adore Izzy.  She's my Varric, and pretty much everything she says cracks me up.  I hit her banter with Anders about abominations for the second time last night, and she left me giggling for a good five minutes.  My first rogue lost her, but my mage and first ManHawke are her best buds.  She, Aveline and Fenris are pretty much my constant party everywhere.

[Torax]

Village Idiot wrote...

Torax wrote...

I was just commenting on the fan made art that was the last 2 or so pages before i typed it. All had him shirtless and posed. Just sayin. I like the guy and he's one of my favorite. Just was amusing. Isn't like I said all are. Maybe the word many was read as more than I would have meant. Would "some" have appeased enough to not justify a wall of text defense for a one liner?

Oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend or come off rude.  I misunderstood the question.  I'm so sorry!  I'm real bad at internet communication.  Again, I apologize I just wanted to answer the question.  I meant nothing hostile when I wrote it!

No harm done. It was more motivated by me being tempted to having fenris quote varric "I am a person. Not an object!"

[SurrealSadi]

Fenn wrote...

 Tropes that apply to Dragon age  2 characters. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/DragonAgeII

...I hate you... I just spent the last hour, hour and a half reading those....

[lizzbee]

PoisonTheCity wrote...

Soo... while the subject is not too stale (a page or two back, I believe) did anyone else explore all the dialogue options with Danarius in the Alone quest? Because I quite firmly believed that Danarius didn't make any sexual demands of Fenris, but one of the lines he says to him, if you take the 'We can negotiate' option, has made me uncertain. He says, 'You weren't always this way, Fenris. Once upon a time you had affection for me. I remember it fondly.' in a creepy-guy-next-door voice.

Maybe I'm remembering the delivery wrong, but those are the exact lines, and it seemed a little too sexual to... not be sexual.

Ugh.  I can't ever explore anything there.  My loathing usually goes far too deep to say anything beyond, "Die, bastard!"   I suspected there had been quite a lot of abuse there, just as I figured Danarius had his finger in every pie, including Hadriana, but just reading this makes my gut clench.

[DemonSaya]

Eirnae wrote...

I haven't explored all of the conversation options, PoisonTheCity, but then I found Danarius's voice to be overally suggestive from the start. "The lad is rather skilled, isn't he?" really sunk that home for me. *growls at the memory* It's pure speculation on our parts, but such thoughts aren't far-fetched if you ask me.

It's not far-fetched at all.  I don't doubt that he might have used a 'valued asset' in such a way.  Personal slaves were used for sex in most ancient cultures.  I really think it's our own personal horror that most people don't WANT to think that he was used in that way.  And even if it wasn't, he was a slave, and if the order had been made, he would have had to do it/done it because of his status.  He didn't even know to that he could fight back until after he'd been left behind and taken in by the Fog Warriors.

[Shacary]

how do you add a pic to this forum? i got a fenris cookie i so wanted to share.

[Torax]

have to us Codes when typing [ img ] image link [ /img ] remove the spaces in the brackets and the img codes.

[DemonSaya]

SurrealSadi wrote...

Fenn wrote...

 Tropes that apply to Dragon age  2 characters. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/DragonAgeII

...I hate you... I just spent the last hour, hour and a half reading those....

OOOO!  I hadn't seen those *cheerfully goes off to read them*

[Eirnae]

DemonSaya wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Fenn wrote...

 Tropes that apply to Dragon age  2 characters. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/DragonAgeII

...I hate you... I just spent the last hour, hour and a half reading those....

OOOO!  I hadn't seen those *cheerfully goes off to read them*

*is also (gleefully) sucked in*

[Heidenreich]

Eirnae, do you see what you've done?

http://social.biowar...529/blog/17220/ <- cookies

[Avayla]

 I posted this yesterday, sort of. But I fixed my tablet settings and learned how to paint in photoshop. Online Tutorials are win! Anyhoo, I like how this turned out better than the other one. And, you can never get enough of the broody elf. 



Before/Afters on my DA: AvaylaInara