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[Ladivixxen]

The gap is much... I agree with the inception that a ton of good stuff was left in the recycle bin...

And it would be much easier to catch up with you all if it didn't take forever on my phone lol! Come back after two hours and have 10 pages to read

[ravenimage]

ejoslin wrote...

Honestly, I don't buy that.  Maybe it's because I'm old enough that I'm just not that romantic any more.  Not 3 years. 3 years really is about the time it takes to actually mourn a loss. IRL, I would be completely creeped out if, 3 years after someone dumped me, he was acting jealous if I flirted with someone else.

See, that's why I think there has to be some sort of reconciliation in there.  Or the 3 years is a much longer gap than was originally intended.  Because the way Fenris and Anders and Hawke act, it does not seem like Hawke was dumped 3 years prior and that's that -- no more discussion.  

Doesn't really have much to do with romance. Some people are painfully in love and never move on from that one person. Creepy or not, it happens. I find it's more common for men to do that, in my experience. Even when their exes have moved on and it's been years a lot of them still act jealously. 

I do recall there being some conversation between Fenris and Anders if Hawke was dumped and then proceeded to "date" Anders. Fenris acts very surly and threatens to kill him should he break Hawke's heart. 

[ejoslin]

What I don't understand is why Hawke would wait. I mean, in game my Hawke DOES mind you, but when I think about it, as a person, it makes no sense.

And there's the problem with the contradictory dialog. My first playthrough, which was unspoiled (the only reason I didn't move onto Anders is my approval with him stayed neutral so I couldn't), I couldn't wait to see Zevran, so that was the first quest i did. Heh (damn bugs). Then I did Anders' quest (I was still kind of hoping I could start his romance because I was clueless on how it worked). So I assumed that Hawke and Fenris had gotten back together. But then when I finally talked to Fenris and got his codex, I was back to being confused.

Ah well, that's just me. I do understand the romantic reasons and such -- it just doesn't fit to me. It's like a few pieces were taken out.

Ah well, either you agree or you don't. I'm not here to convert

[UrsulaCousland]

ejoslin wrote...


The problem with the three years that I have...  it IS too long.  Nothing is spoken about -- he refuses to discuss it at all.  So basically you have a guy who started a relationship, but then ran out after having a one night stand and never would speak of it.  And if you read his last codex, you see that during that three year time, the last year of it he is talking about leaving Kirkwell with increasing frequency -- he would have left already had he not felt indebted to Hawke -- not affection, indebted.  And while it is clear he still has feelings, he also is talking about leaving forever.

So how long do you wait? 6 months? 1 year? 3 years? 10 years? The rest of your life?  Had he been willing to speak of it, I could see perhaps.  Had it only been a year, I could also see it.  If there was a tenuous relationship there, yes, perhaps.

Gah, that gap just bugs me.  The codex makes it worse.

I think the codexes are a bit squirrelly. That reads like a default, unromanced codex to me. And, as many others have said, you can be emotionally very close to someone without it being necessarily sexual, with or without sexual tension - two entirely different things.  That's the way I prefer to think of it, and one look at this is a possible fic I have flitting about in my brain. (I can't believe I'm about to delve into ficcies. This could be horrible or very fun. We'll see. I couldn't quite bring myself to write Alistair fic, but man...just to get into writing again!  )

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 01 avril 2011 - 12:53 .

[ravenimage]

True. Thankfully those pieces can always be filled in with fan fiction.

[ejoslin]

ravenimage wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Honestly, I don't buy that.  Maybe it's because I'm old enough that I'm just not that romantic any more.  Not 3 years. 3 years really is about the time it takes to actually mourn a loss. IRL, I would be completely creeped out if, 3 years after someone dumped me, he was acting jealous if I flirted with someone else.

See, that's why I think there has to be some sort of reconciliation in there.  Or the 3 years is a much longer gap than was originally intended.  Because the way Fenris and Anders and Hawke act, it does not seem like Hawke was dumped 3 years prior and that's that -- no more discussion.  

Doesn't really have much to do with romance. Some people are painfully in love and never move on from that one person. Creepy or not, it happens. I find it's more common for men to do that, in my experience. Even when their exes have moved on and it's been years a lot of them still act jealously. 

I do recall there being some conversation between Fenris and Anders if Hawke was dumped and then proceeded to "date" Anders. Fenris acts very surly and threatens to kill him should he break Hawke's heart. 

There are two banters.  One that can trigger in act 2 or 3 where Anders tells Fenris he was an idiot to dump Hawke.  It's different depending on whether Hawke moved onto Anders (in which case Anders tells Fenris he loves Hawke) or has not (in which case Fenris tells Anders it was the hardest thing he ever did).  The other one triggers in act three, where Fenris threatens Anders.

Seriously, though, that second banter is weird too, if it's really taking place 3 years after Hawke and Anders moved in together (and that's when it triggers). 

I still vote for the time gap not being originally 3 years

Edit: And yes, the codex is bad.  It was obviously rushed, and makes it not fit.

OOOOOH, but Zevran's codex, if using the mod that fixes the import flag, is AMAZINGLY cool at least  His dialog is still bugged to hell with the import flag fix (actually, he's even worse, but that's another thread), but that is the way a romance codex SHOULD be done!

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 avril 2011 - 12:56 .

[Heidenreich]

I waited for someone for a year, before I hit the "I can live with out him" mark. Mind you, had that someone been the man my husband is, I would have never gotten to the "I can live with out him" point. ;p

Some people are just meant for each other. I could see Hawke deciding to wait until Fenris was ready. What other man would have her, except Anders, and at that point, a non-romanced Anders is a 'little bit' TO crazy ;p

Modifié par Heidenreich, 01 avril 2011 - 12:55 .

[lizzbee]

ejoslin wrote...

What I don't understand is why Hawke would wait. I mean, in game my Hawke DOES mind you, but when I think about it, as a person, it makes no sense.

And there's the problem with the contradictory dialog. My first playthrough, which was unspoiled (the only reason I didn't move onto Anders is my approval with him stayed neutral so I couldn't), I couldn't wait to see Zevran, so that was the first quest i did. Heh (damn bugs). Then I did Anders' quest (I was still kind of hoping I could start his romance because I was clueless on how it worked). So I assumed that Hawke and Fenris had gotten back together. But then when I finally talked to Fenris and got his codex, I was back to being confused.

Ah well, that's just me. I do understand the romantic reasons and such -- it just doesn't fit to me. It's like a few pieces were taken out.

Ah well, either you agree or you don't. I'm not here to convert

I guess it depends on the person.  I could see both Fenris and Hawke remaining very close friends with that kind of passionate undercurrent that's never really satisfied.  (S)he does have a little reading to teach, after all. I don't think the emotional closeness dies, even if they're not physically intimate.

[Sherbet Lemon]

ejoslin wrote...

What I don't understand is why Hawke would wait. I mean, in game my Hawke DOES mind you, but when I think about it, as a person, it makes no sense.

And there's the problem with the contradictory dialog. My first playthrough, which was unspoiled (the only reason I didn't move onto Anders is my approval with him stayed neutral so I couldn't), I couldn't wait to see Zevran, so that was the first quest i did. Heh (damn bugs). Then I did Anders' quest (I was still kind of hoping I could start his romance because I was clueless on how it worked). So I assumed that Hawke and Fenris had gotten back together. But then when I finally talked to Fenris and got his codex, I was back to being confused.

Ah well, that's just me. I do understand the romantic reasons and such -- it just doesn't fit to me. It's like a few pieces were taken out.

Ah well, either you agree or you don't. I'm not here to convert

Oh no, I totally see your point.  I do!  I don't think it works for some Hawkes.  My first Hawke, she was sort lost after her mother died so I imagine she just kind lumped about going to  Champion parties and such but otherwise clung to her friends. 

My canon Hawke who I haven't made yet (I'm wierd in that I always do my canon play throughs backwards) will be a socially awkward bookworm sort who will choose mostly sarcastic/agressive dialogue well, she's a weirdo anyways. 

My first rogue Hawke though, she minded and I have no idea why she stayed faithful.  She wasn't into women and she wasn't into Anders so I imagine she flirted about Kirkwall with various noble but never did anything serious until maybe Fenris started talking about leaving and quit fluttering about.  But that's just my own personal head canon and now I'm babbling and I should just shut it before I embarass myself. 

Modifié par Village Idiot, 01 avril 2011 - 01:00 .

[HolyJellyfish]

ravenimage wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Honestly, I don't buy that.  Maybe it's because I'm old enough that I'm just not that romantic any more.  Not 3 years. 3 years really is about the time it takes to actually mourn a loss. IRL, I would be completely creeped out if, 3 years after someone dumped me, he was acting jealous if I flirted with someone else.

See, that's why I think there has to be some sort of reconciliation in there.  Or the 3 years is a much longer gap than was originally intended.  Because the way Fenris and Anders and Hawke act, it does not seem like Hawke was dumped 3 years prior and that's that -- no more discussion.  

Doesn't really have much to do with romance. Some people are painfully in love and never move on from that one person. Creepy or not, it happens. I find it's more common for men to do that, in my experience. Even when their exes have moved on and it's been years a lot of them still act jealously. 

I do recall there being some conversation between Fenris and Anders if Hawke was dumped and then proceeded to "date" Anders. Fenris acts very surly and threatens to kill him should he break Hawke's heart. 

Fenris is also a very emotionally unstable person. One moment he is calm and the other moment he is ripping his hand through someone's chest. He isn't ready for Hawke. Hell, He isn't even ready for Isabela (casual sex) until waaay later.

He only knows hate, anger, and rage. Hawke throws him a curve ball, and I can understand why he wants to run away with his tail tucked between his legs. Love and tenderness are foreign concepts.

I also sort of see Fenris as a Courtly Lover, especially in the way he wears Hawke's crest and is loyal to her despite 'breaking up' with her and choosing not to be physically affectionate for three years. If you aren't familiar with the concept of courtley love, imagine a knight and a queen / princess / duchess. He knows he is unworthy of her affections, but chooses a path that is transcendent beyond the physical. For years, Fenris swears an oathe and proves himself worthy of Hawke, and when that time comes (Danarius' death), he feels right for that honor. This isn't 'creeptastic'. Its a medieval concept.

[Helen0rz]

Heidenreich wrote...

I waited for someone for a year, before I hit the "I can live with out him" mark. Mind you, had that someone been the man my husband is, I would have never gotten to the "I can live with out him" point. ;p

Some people are just meant for each other. I could see Hawke deciding to wait until Fenris was ready. What other man would have her, except Anders, and at that point, a non-romanced Anders is a 'little bit' TO crazy ;p

Me too. 

I waited for someone for a year as well, and it wasn't like I purposely did a full 365 days of waiting, I simply thought "well...that's that" when I felt the time was up/running out. I moved on, as easy as it sounds. It was very much a "I'm done", and I saw the guy often but I guess not often enough for me to keep going...which I think it's different with Hawke. If you see the guy often, it'd be alot harder to let go.

I do think 3 years of absolutely nothing between Fen and Hawke is unbelievable. 3 years, like ejoslin said, is a very long time to just wait for someone. I'm not picturing Fenris had a talk or mentioned anything to Hawke, because the codex said they didn't, I think of it as he never said anything (and he made it clear he didn't want to talk about it) but his action here and there pretty much indicates he loves Hawke. Perhaps that's like the fuel pumping into Hawke's hope, so she waited. I'm sure they had many alone time together, friendly onces, where they held back alot...whether it's sexual tension, things to say, and so on. 

At least that's what I chose to explain it, because 3 years is pretty absurd to me. They had a reason to made it 3 years, I just wish I know what that was.

Also, the codex is just screwy and so are the party banter. I triggered my "I dont see what Hawke sees in you" banter after Fenris and Hawke made up. Plus, the codex, where they say the companions name with a dash that says the last three years update when you check up on your companion...so...yeah...I just think there's a lot of bugs with the romances and some of the stuff is just not well rounded.

[ejoslin]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

ravenimage wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Honestly, I don't buy that.  Maybe it's because I'm old enough that I'm just not that romantic any more.  Not 3 years. 3 years really is about the time it takes to actually mourn a loss. IRL, I would be completely creeped out if, 3 years after someone dumped me, he was acting jealous if I flirted with someone else.

See, that's why I think there has to be some sort of reconciliation in there.  Or the 3 years is a much longer gap than was originally intended.  Because the way Fenris and Anders and Hawke act, it does not seem like Hawke was dumped 3 years prior and that's that -- no more discussion.  

Doesn't really have much to do with romance. Some people are painfully in love and never move on from that one person. Creepy or not, it happens. I find it's more common for men to do that, in my experience. Even when their exes have moved on and it's been years a lot of them still act jealously. 

I do recall there being some conversation between Fenris and Anders if Hawke was dumped and then proceeded to "date" Anders. Fenris acts very surly and threatens to kill him should he break Hawke's heart. 

Fenris is also a very emotionally unstable person. One moment he is calm and the other moment he is ripping his hand through someone's chest. He isn't ready for Hawke. Hell, He isn't even ready for Isabela (casual sex) until waaay later.

He only knows hate, anger, and rage. Hawke throws him a curve ball, and I can understand why he wants to run away with his tail tucked between his legs. Love and tenderness are foreign concepts.

I also sort of see Fenris as a Courtly Lover, especially in the way he wears Hawke's crest and is loyal to her despite 'breaking up' with her and choosing not to be physically affectionate for three years. If you aren't familiar with the concept of courtley love, imagine a knight and a queen / princess / duchess. He knows he is unworthy of her affections, but chooses a path that is transcendent beyond the physical. For years, Fenris swears an oathe and proves himself worthy of Hawke, and when that time comes (Danarius' death), he feels right for that honor. This isn't 'creeptastic'. Its a medieval concept.

I'm familiar with the concept of courtly love and the many interpretatiions thereof :/  I like your interpretation, mind you (I really do -- it's awesome), but when dealing with a relationship, I still just can't see it that way.  And 3 years of not being in a relationship, some of the responses and dialogs you're getting from other people in the game just don't work with that.  And 3 years after being dumped, to me, as a person, also doesn't work.

I honestly think something was left out of the story.  There are too many pieces that don't fit.  My head canon has them making up and back together, though not sleeping together.  Just a type of limbo that neither can step away from.  An unspoken thing. It's the only way I really can make sense of it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 avril 2011 - 01:12 .

[SurrealSadi]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

ravenimage wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Honestly, I don't buy that.  Maybe it's because I'm old enough that I'm just not that romantic any more.  Not 3 years. 3 years really is about the time it takes to actually mourn a loss. IRL, I would be completely creeped out if, 3 years after someone dumped me, he was acting jealous if I flirted with someone else.

See, that's why I think there has to be some sort of reconciliation in there.  Or the 3 years is a much longer gap than was originally intended.  Because the way Fenris and Anders and Hawke act, it does not seem like Hawke was dumped 3 years prior and that's that -- no more discussion.  

Doesn't really have much to do with romance. Some people are painfully in love and never move on from that one person. Creepy or not, it happens. I find it's more common for men to do that, in my experience. Even when their exes have moved on and it's been years a lot of them still act jealously. 

I do recall there being some conversation between Fenris and Anders if Hawke was dumped and then proceeded to "date" Anders. Fenris acts very surly and threatens to kill him should he break Hawke's heart. 

Fenris is also a very emotionally unstable person. One moment he is calm and the other moment he is ripping his hand through someone's chest. He isn't ready for Hawke. Hell, He isn't even ready for Isabela (casual sex) until waaay later.

He only knows hate, anger, and rage. Hawke throws him a curve ball, and I can understand why he wants to run away with his tail tucked between his legs. Love and tenderness are foreign concepts.

I also sort of see Fenris as a Courtly Lover, especially in the way he wears Hawke's crest and is loyal to her despite 'breaking up' with her and choosing not to be physically affectionate for three years. If you aren't familiar with the concept of courtley love, imagine a knight and a queen / princess / duchess. He knows he is unworthy of her affections, but chooses a path that is transcendent beyond the physical. For years, Fenris swears an oathe and proves himself worthy of Hawke, and when that time comes (Danarius' death), he feels right for that honor. This isn't 'creeptastic'. Its a medieval concept.

I can see that... This game has that medieval feel to it, so Fenris being a Courtly Lover makes sense.


Also, Varric has great lines. "Andraste's sanctified ass! *insert complaint about vertical ground here*"

[Reznore57]

Well , you can wait for somebody 3 years, or hawke may be not waiting...
I mean Hawke lost his home , his brother/sister, fenris left and then his/her mother die...
Believe me when you've been thru so much in a short period of time , you sometimes not even bother with the thought of having a real relashionship...
Your hawke isn't crying on his/her bed every night thinking about the lovely elf ,he/she might have his/her issues too

It depends on how you imagine your character , but the 3 years gap might work and well Fenris doesn't say anything in game if you go the blooming rose so........

[Shacary]

O , I just did the apology again at end Of Fenris' questioning beliefs quest. I was full friendshipmance, and not once does he mention staying out of feeling of debt etc etc. It was kinda touching after just getting the same scene as a rivalmanced Mage.
Anyone else confirm this?

Edit, I meant   the   debt   scene  Ejoslin  referred to ,  the  rivalmance  mage  just  recieved.

Modifié par Shacary, 01 avril 2011 - 01:37 .

[ejoslin]

Reznore57 wrote...

Well , you can wait for somebody 3 years, or hawke may be not waiting...
I mean Hawke lost his home , his brother/sister, fenris left and then his/her mother die...
Believe me when you've been thru so much in a short period of time , you sometimes not even bother with the thought of having a real relashionship...
Your hawke isn't crying on his/her bed every night thinking about the lovely elf ,he/she might have his/her issues too

It depends on how you imagine your character , but the 3 years gap might work and well Fenris doesn't say anything in game if you go the blooming rose so........

Ok, aside from whether you think 3 years is realistic or not, there are dialog issues which make it seem like there is a bit more going on.

Fenris puts a stop to Hawke and Zevran getting together whether they're together or not.
Anders asks if Hawke is sure about Fenris.  You can answer, "He left me" at that point, but why would Anders even think they were an item 3 years after he was told by Fenris they were over?

See, I think my main issue is between act 2 and act 3, while there is obviously in the main story things happening and changing, the relationships seem to have been on complete hold -- I keep saying it was like Hawke was in stasis.  Conversations that would have made perfect sense in act 2 do not make much sense 3 years later.  So I guess my real problem is the pacing. 

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 avril 2011 - 01:40 .

[ejoslin]

Shacary wrote...

O , I just did the apology again at end Of Fenris' questioning beliefs quest. I was full friendshipmance, and not once does he mention staying out of feeling of debt etc etc. It was kinda touching after just getting the same scene as a rivalmanced Mage.
Anyone else confirm this?

Edit, I meant   the   debt   scene  Ejoslin  referred to ,  the  rivalmance  mage  just  recieved.

I never said that Fenris said this or that it was a scene -- I said that this is what his codex says (the text write up on him in the journal).  And it does.  

his apology is seriously sweet for both a friend and a rival.

Edit: Actually, I'm going to bow out of this conversation now.  I obviously am NOT making myself clear, and it gets frustrating when I realize I am communicating THIS poorly!  However, it does make for an interesting conversation.  

Second edit: It's too bad that is his last codex.  It seems like it needs one more update...

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 avril 2011 - 01:54 .

[Namuri]

DemonSaya wrote...

*snerks* OMG, just got a BAD idea...Fenris learns to read during/after act 2...imagine him running across one of Isabella's books XD I can totally picture him picking them up as reference material for use on Lady Hawke XD

^ Actually said out loud: Oh my god, that's terrible.

But, why is it so appealing? XDDD

I mean think, what if she /found it/

[DemonSaya]

In other news, I've done more work on Fenris...

[Reznore57]

I've been in love relashionship wheere for some reason you break up and decide to stay "friends".(or worse let's be "best friend"!)
And it's always strange , there's a lot of untold thing (hate /love etc) floating around.
Usually one is still madly in love , but say let's be friend just to be near the love oned
And people around you don't really know what's going on neither.
I mean it's not unbelievable at all.

And you know when a men and a women hang around together a lot ( add puppy eyes etc in the mix) , and people always think there's something going on .

[Namuri]

ejoslin wrote...

What I don't understand is why Hawke would wait. I mean, in game my Hawke DOES mind you, but when I think about it, as a person, it makes no sense.

And there's the problem with the contradictory dialog. My first playthrough, which was unspoiled (the only reason I didn't move onto Anders is my approval with him stayed neutral so I couldn't), I couldn't wait to see Zevran, so that was the first quest i did. Heh (damn bugs). Then I did Anders' quest (I was still kind of hoping I could start his romance because I was clueless on how it worked). So I assumed that Hawke and Fenris had gotten back together. But then when I finally talked to Fenris and got his codex, I was back to being confused.

Ah well, that's just me. I do understand the romantic reasons and such -- it just doesn't fit to me. It's like a few pieces were taken out.

Ah well, either you agree or you don't. I'm not here to convert

I actually had this problem, but more with Party Banter, not codex. See, my first PT was also unspoiled, so when Merrill is like: /You're in love/ (which for me happened in act 3) I was like o...they made up? o0 WHY WAS I NOT A PART OF THIS?
And then I realised they hadn't, and started getting annoyed TT
That party banter just seems like insult to injury for poor Hawke. Like:
/We know you want to move on from this, but we're going TO TALK ABOUT IT CONSTANTLY/
On the part of the party members.
Uncool people, uncool.

And my Hawke waited, cause I really didn't know what to do. Anders scared me (and Hawke) and I never used him so he was nuetral to me. And she was straight, so, no other choice.

[Namuri]

ejoslin wrote...

ravenimage wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Honestly, I don't buy that.  Maybe it's because I'm old enough that I'm just not that romantic any more.  Not 3 years. 3 years really is about the time it takes to actually mourn a loss. IRL, I would be completely creeped out if, 3 years after someone dumped me, he was acting jealous if I flirted with someone else.

See, that's why I think there has to be some sort of reconciliation in there.  Or the 3 years is a much longer gap than was originally intended.  Because the way Fenris and Anders and Hawke act, it does not seem like Hawke was dumped 3 years prior and that's that -- no more discussion.  

Doesn't really have much to do with romance. Some people are painfully in love and never move on from that one person. Creepy or not, it happens. I find it's more common for men to do that, in my experience. Even when their exes have moved on and it's been years a lot of them still act jealously. 

I do recall there being some conversation between Fenris and Anders if Hawke was dumped and then proceeded to "date" Anders. Fenris acts very surly and threatens to kill him should he break Hawke's heart. 

There are two banters.  One that can trigger in act 2 or 3 where Anders tells Fenris he was an idiot to dump Hawke.  It's different depending on whether Hawke moved onto Anders (in which case Anders tells Fenris he loves Hawke) or has not (in which case Fenris tells Anders it was the hardest thing he ever did).  The other one triggers in act three, where Fenris threatens Anders.

Seriously, though, that second banter is weird too, if it's really taking place 3 years after Hawke and Anders moved in together (and that's when it triggers). 

I still vote for the time gap not being originally 3 years

Edit: And yes, the codex is bad.  It was obviously rushed, and makes it not fit.

OOOOOH, but Zevran's codex, if using the mod that fixes the import flag, is AMAZINGLY cool at least  His dialog is still bugged to hell with the import flag fix (actually, he's even worse, but that's another thread), but that is the way a romance codex SHOULD be done!

Could you write it here? Or even msg it to me? I was a little </3 when he was all flirty in act 3, my Warden had romanced him :<

Also, how do you trigger the jealousy dialogue? o0

edit: double post, sorry!
Or, not quite, but that doesn't matter 8D;

Modifié par Namuri, 01 avril 2011 - 02:11 .

[Aeryn-Sun]

I tend to rationalize it by thinking that my Hawke was not so much waiting as she was just plain busy. When life is packed with constant action and movement, it's not that hard to imagine how quickly time will pass. So basically, the voices in my head tell me that my Hawke still harbors feelings for Fenris all that time, but it's really only something she thinks about when she's had too much to drink or stops moving for too long. Neither of which happens often.

[ejoslin]

Namuri wrote...

Could you write it here? Or even msg it to me? I was a little </3 when he was all flirty in act 3, my Warden had romanced him :<

Also, how do you trigger the jealousy dialogue? o0

edit: double post, sorry!
Or, not quite, but that doesn't matter 8D;

Aroihkin linked them, then Payroo quoted the links in this thread (feel free to bump my whinefest there ;D).  But I can now confirm that it definitely shows up with the import flags fixed.  Too bad with those flags fixed Zevran thinks the warden is dead no matter what so will turn down Isabela because he's in mourning, but is still willing to get with Hawke (he isn't supposed to with a romanced Warden).  Ah well, hopefully they'll fix it soon.

Edit: Gah, actually, here's the link.  This is just the first one -- it has the part where the warden is referenced.  The links to both parts are at the link I have above.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 avril 2011 - 02:22 .

[Helen0rz]

HolyJellyfish wrote...
Fenris is also a very emotionally unstable person. One moment he is calm and the other moment he is ripping his hand through someone's chest. He isn't ready for Hawke. Hell, He isn't even ready for Isabela (casual sex) until waaay later.

He only knows hate, anger, and rage. Hawke throws him a curve ball, and I can understand why he wants to run away with his tail tucked between his legs. Love and tenderness are foreign concepts.

I also sort of see Fenris as a Courtly Lover, especially in the way he wears Hawke's crest and is loyal to her despite 'breaking up' with her and choosing not to be physically affectionate for three years. If you aren't familiar with the concept of courtley love, imagine a knight and a queen / princess / duchess. He knows he is unworthy of her affections, but chooses a path that is transcendent beyond the physical. For years, Fenris swears an oathe and proves himself worthy of Hawke, and when that time comes (Danarius' death), he feels right for that honor. This isn't 'creeptastic'. Its a medieval concept.

I approve this explanation, and for that, this is going to be my answer to that 3 year gap