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[Helen0rz]

UltiPup wrote...

Have another point to put in favor of Fenris vs Anders.

At least we know Fenris's real name.

^^ This

I bet his real name is weird too.

[Namuri]

UltiPup wrote...

Have another point to put in favor of Fenris vs Anders.

At least we know Fenris's real name.

Not that you'd ever want to use it, of course.

[UltiPup]

Namuri wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Have another point to put in favor of Fenris vs Anders.

At least we know Fenris's real name.

Not that you'd ever want to use it, of course.

Well if I ever had the silly idea to romance him, the least he could do is reveal his true name. I mean, besides betraying my trust in the end and using me for his own ends, can't he tell his true love his true name?

[Namuri]

UltiPup wrote...

Namuri wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Have another point to put in favor of Fenris vs Anders.

At least we know Fenris's real name.

Not that you'd ever want to use it, of course.

Well if I ever had the silly idea to romance him, the least he could do is reveal his true name. I mean, besides betraying my trust in the end and using me for his own ends, can't he tell his true love his true name?

I was talking about Fenris 8D;

Andd, very good point.

[UltiPup]

Well, you weren't the clear one. I'm thinking of naming my dog Leto in a future game, if that counts.

[Namuri]

Sorry, should've been clearer.

And, cool!

[ThatDancingTurian]

I like the name Leto. I was kind of sad he didn't want to use it afterwards. Granted, that's not who he is anymore, but better the name he was born with than the pet name Danarius gave to him I'd think.

[UltiPup]

Well, its like I said before.

I found and fell in love with Fenris, not Leto. Leto is not Fenris and Fenris is not Leto.

[Namuri]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I like the name Leto. I was kind of sad he didn't want to use it afterwards. Granted, that's not who he is anymore, but better the name he was born with than the pet name Danarius gave to him I'd think.

True, but he could have chosen a new name for himself at any time, rather than going by Fenris, and chose not to. I don't know what that signifies exactly, but I doubt he cares all that much where the name came from. It is, after all, the name Hawke has always known him by.
Plus, the only person who used it was his back stabbing sister from ****
Not the best way to endear himself to the name.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Namuri wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I like the name Leto. I was kind of sad he didn't want to use it afterwards. Granted, that's not who he is anymore, but better the name he was born with than the pet name Danarius gave to him I'd think.

True, but he could have chosen a new name for himself at any time, rather than going by Fenris, and chose not to. I don't know what that signifies exactly, but I doubt he cares all that much where the name came from. It is, after all, the name Hawke has always known him by.
Plus, the only person who used it was his back stabbing sister from ****
Not the best way to endear himself to the name.

True, but until he met Hawke the only people who used it were the magisters, I doubt that was any more endearing. Most strangers called him 'elf', it seemed.

I get that the idea is about him moving onto his future and forgetting his past, but 'Fenris' was his past as well. But then it'd just be confusing if he had a third name.

@Utlipup: But how are they different? I guess I operate on the assumption that Fenris was still the same basic guy as Leto, just without as much drama.

I think if I were Hawke I wouldn't care what I called him since he's still going to be the same guy regardless of the name. I just think it's sad that he prefers a name given to him by an evil magister to one given by a mother who (presumably) loved him... But then that's an assumption as well since we don't know what his family life was like.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 03 avril 2011 - 06:48 .

[UltiPup]

Two different personas. Leto is Latin for "he who is always happy" after all. So, it is clear how much he has changed.

[ThatDancingTurian]

UltiPup wrote...

Two different personas. Leto is Latin for "he who is always happy" after all. So, it is clear how much he has changed.

Not every name has to mean something. Leandra means 'lion man', for instance.

I just can't believe that his personality changed just because he lost his memories. I mean, he seems to have some subconscious memories, like how to speak different languages and other talents. It's all there, it's just supressed.

'Fenris' just seems to carry a ton of baggage. He can't even remember any baggage that might come with 'Leto'.

[UltiPup]

Lost his memories, tattooed to hell, was a slave, chased constantly for his skin...need I go on?

Fenris only knows how to be Fenris. He doesn't know how to be a Leto.

[ThatDancingTurian]

UltiPup wrote...

Lost his memories, tattooed to hell, was a slave, chased constantly for his skin...need I go on?

Fenris only knows how to be Fenris. He doesn't know how to be a Leto.

...??

Hawke is teaching him to be something new. He doesn't want to be a Fenris either, he's learning to be something else entirely. That's kind of my point.

I mean, I get how he'd be used to Fenris, I just find it sad is all.

[UltiPup]

He said it himself. Leto was a slave. Fenris is free. Think he is ok with being Fenris.

[GenericDragon]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Two different personas. Leto is Latin for "he who is always happy" after all. So, it is clear how much he has changed.

Not every name has to mean something. Leandra means 'lion man', for instance.

I just can't believe that his personality changed just because he lost his memories. I mean, he seems to have some subconscious memories, like how to speak different languages and other talents. It's all there, it's just supressed.

'Fenris' just seems to carry a ton of baggage. He can't even remember any baggage that might come with 'Leto'.

The way I see it, is that Fenris has gone by the name he used for as long as he can remember, and 'Leto' is no longer the person he is. A person is shaped as much by their surroundings and up-bringing as they are by the choices they make.

For all we know, 'Leto' is the boy (should he spare the sister) that went through with the slavery and the torture of the markings for a sister who ultimately betrayed him. And 'Fenris' is the man who escaped from the slavery, the man who found someone to love and protect. I, personally, would stick with 'Fenris' -because- of the baggage. It is who he is now.

And, if you're on the friendship path with him when you give him the Sword of Mercy, and you suggest he keeps it, he finds irony in the fact that he'd be using a blade Danarius liked to collect. Proof of his 'triumph' over the magister, despite the fact that the blade is Tevinter.

That's how I interpret it, anyhow.

[ThatDancingTurian]

UltiPup wrote...

He said it himself. Leto was a slave. Fenris is free. Think he is ok with being Fenris.

When did he say this, out of curiosity? I don't recall any lines like that.

@GenericDragon: That does make sense, the whole empowerment thing.

I guess to me it just seems like they're both a part of him, but neither is who he is now. He's changed as much from the original 'Fenris' as he has from 'Leto', the difference is that 'Leto' never had the negative connotations and painful memories that are associated with 'Fenris'.

Maybe he should just call himself Fento!

[GenericDragon]

Lol. Fento.

Letris? /shot

[ThatDancingTurian]

GenericDragon wrote...

Lol. Fento.

Letris? /shot

Sounds like a mix between Tetris and Beatrice.

[Fault Girl]

Luckily I dont really like the name Leto, it doesn't suit him. Might have done without the lyirum and un natural hair colour...

Which I can't imagine being black due to the mod that made it so, it looked soooo wierd!

[Rheia]

Aris: re: Hadriana. Oh, we are in total accord. That close-up screams :you're dead

On the subject of names. Aveline actually has a conversation with him on the topic. She asks if he couldn't choose to be called anything else now that he's out of Danarius grasp. He replies "couldn't you?" referring to how she was named after the Orlesian knight she herself feels no kinship with. Aveline's answer is telling

[Tanathir]

I think it's possibly a sign of Fenris taking what was forced on him as a slave and making it positive.  He has come a long way, and to keep the name his master gave him is like figuratively spitting in the face of his former slavery.  He's taking ownership of Fenris as his own name, making it an identity he can live with as a free person.  As someone said, he is no longer Leto.

[Namuri]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

He said it himself. Leto was a slave. Fenris is free. Think he is ok with being Fenris.

When did he say this, out of curiosity? I don't recall any lines like that.

@GenericDragon: That does make sense, the whole empowerment thing.

I guess to me it just seems like they're both a part of him, but neither is who he is now. He's changed as much from the original 'Fenris' as he has from 'Leto', the difference is that 'Leto' never had the negative connotations and painful memories that are associated with 'Fenris'.

Maybe he should just call himself Fento!

XD;

I'd say that he'd stay Fenris because that's the name Hawke knows him by. She's probably the one who made him like that name. I dunno if I'm making sense. I suppose it's the same as when(if) he starts calling Hawke by her first name. She'd still be Hawke, to him, that's what he knew her as most of the time they spent together.
But again ,that's just me

[ThatDancingTurian]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Which I can't imagine being black due to the mod that made it so, it looked soooo wierd!

It really did look wrong. I'm wondering how much of that was because of how flat that particular tint looked. If it had better highlights it might have looked better, but still not as good as the white.


Okay, random question time! Now that we know via Danarius' message that the memory loss was deliberate and his doing, do you think Fenris' initial memory loss was simply done to wipe the slate clean pre-tattoo application, or a result of 'Leto' changing his mind or something at the last minute and Danarius forcing him to comply? My gut says the former, but it's interesting to entertain the idea of the latter...

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 03 avril 2011 - 08:22 .

[Namuri]

I'd say because it'd be more convenient if his new bodyguard didn't have anyone he remembered caring for. As Fenris said, if he had had previous memories, perhaps he would've wanted to rebel sooner.