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[UrsulaCousland]

silver-crescent wrote...

The Arishok duel was awful. I already went through it twice, once as a mage and once as a 2H warrior... third time around's gonna be as a DH rogue, hope it's easier that way.

I think, of my characters, the duelist/assassin rogue duel was easiest so far. I haven't played a mage, but my husband's mage owned him pretty handily (go go frost spells...)

On my first playthrough, I didn't get the duel option at all - we had a huge cluster**** in the throne room instead, with the Arishok and a few of his best friends.

Fenris' dialogue with Isabella not there is definitely worth seeing. He does argue the Qun very well, including snaring the Arishok about the "worthy of honor" bit.

@EJoslin - if we get tools and you do mods for DA2, I will be forced to go PC. Worth the price of admission, though I may mock you for costing me the funds for the download and all DLC up to that time.  It's a sacrifice, but I'll muddle through. (*squee*)

ETA: Eek, ToP. Darn my Xbox-playing right now. Will have to go PC anyway methinks. In the meantime, have some concept art from the DA2 site, because I really happen to like this as well.

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 03 avril 2011 - 03:12 .

[LadyKarrakaz]

@Ejo, what is ridiculous is Orsino, resorting to blood magic amongst his own allies. Bloody stupid. I agree that the game misses some good mage examples, like Wynne -well, she's technically an abomination) or, I'd never thought I'd say this, Morrigan.

[Rheia]

Yah, what I usually tell people who dislike his attitude towards mages (those who are willing to listen, anyway) that Kirkwall mages aren't exactly helpful in persuading anyone. Heck, my main Hawke is an idealist mage who believes that mages should be free, and even she was dismayed by the end of the game.

I actually really like that he doesn't change his views. He makes a perfect counter-point to my Hawke at least. Makes it even sweeter that he sticks by her and her 'mistakes' when she defends the mages after all that happens

Edit: Sue! And  that's pretty funny! I never choose blood mage spec either, patheticly for the exact reason that it'd prove Fenris right about resorting to black arts if need is too great. I can think of one instance she'd succomb though... if it'd save the lives of those she loves. No dilemma like that in game, though, so all of my mages are blood mage spec free lol.

Modifié par Rheia, 03 avril 2011 - 03:10 .

[UrsulaCousland]

@Rheia - nice find on the comic! *giggles*

[Sue]

ejoslin wrote...

I've read in a few different threads how people wish Fenris' attitude towards mages would soften over the years, especially if Hawke is a mage. But then I think about what you actually see with mages in Kirkwell. Yes, mage!Hawke is awesome, and Fenris will acknowledge that. But just about every mage you encounter seems to turn to blood magic and turn into a demon. Even your mage companions do nothing to contradict what he believes about mages.

If anything, the years he spends in Kirkwell would do nothing but reinforce that most mages are extremely dangerous.

I never thought I'd think this, but the Ferelden circle actually had the right of it. Most knight commanders are probably not like Gregoir, however.

Totally agree with you.  Actually for me being a mage, I was sick to my stomach that all the Kirkwall mage were using blood, summoring demons and stuff.  And the point was finally drilled in when mama die.  I really started to resent being a mage myself.  With the powers I had, it did me no good to help the ones I loved.  So I can actually see what Fenris was saying.

[UrsulaCousland]

Sue wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I've read in a few different threads how people wish Fenris' attitude towards mages would soften over the years, especially if Hawke is a mage. But then I think about what you actually see with mages in Kirkwell. Yes, mage!Hawke is awesome, and Fenris will acknowledge that. But just about every mage you encounter seems to turn to blood magic and turn into a demon. Even your mage companions do nothing to contradict what he believes about mages.

If anything, the years he spends in Kirkwell would do nothing but reinforce that most mages are extremely dangerous.

I never thought I'd think this, but the Ferelden circle actually had the right of it. Most knight commanders are probably not like Gregoir, however.

Totally agree with you.  Actually for me being a mage, I was sick to my stomach that all the Kirkwall mage were using blood, summoring demons and stuff.  And the point was finally drilled in when mama die.  I really started to resent being a mage myself.  With the powers I had, it did me no good to help the ones I loved.  So I can actually see what Fenris was saying.

Any mage I play will have this attitude, especially when it seems every Kirkwall mage you meet is a blood mage, an abomination, or just plain warped because they dabbled in the bad stuff...I was honestly *glad* when I saved the Ferelden Circle. In Kirkwall? Not so much.

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 03 avril 2011 - 03:15 .

[Sue]

Word ^

Catch you all later.  Have to go shopping for a new TV.  Tax check came in.

Modifié par Sue, 03 avril 2011 - 03:16 .

[Ashera]

ejoslin wrote...
If anything, the years he spends in Kirkwell would do nothing but reinforce that most mages are extremely dangerous.

I never thought I'd think this, but the Ferelden circle actually had the right of it. Most knight commanders are probably not like Gregoir, however.

Part of my head canon is Kirkwell has an extreme influence on mages because of the atrocities that have been committed there over the centuries (primarily by Tevinter mages, interestingly. It always seems to come back to them, doesn't it?).

I suspect that Hawke is somewhat immune to those influences because s/he was not raised there and hasn't been subjected to the problems associated with the very thin Veil in Kirkwell. Anders never gives into blood magic and temptation despite his own precarious mental condition, because he is already an abomination and thus can't be further influenced, and Merrill has made a pact with demons before you even meet her, and is arguably already under demonic influence. So they are both special cases, and given that Fenris is a product of a society that holds both abominations and blood mages in especial horror, it is no wonder neither of them can ever convince him otherwise through their behavior over the course of the game. Merrill with her obsession with a cursed object, and Anders for personal reasons as well.

Fenrial's case is especially interesting too in light of this theory: He is brought up in Kirkwell and so has constant nightmares, and if you release him to the Dalish, he goes to Sundermount, where the Veil is also exceptionally thin. Poor kid.

Fenris never comments on why Hawke doesn't succumb to the mage danger except to say that s/he is stronger than most mages. I am not at all sure that is the entire reason, though, although it may be part of it. I would htink mages as a whole have a pretty high WIllpower score. I just think Kirkwell's special circumstances mitigate against willpower and mental strength.

[Shacary]

http://img822.images...1033118045.jpg/
  Still testing to  see if  anyone  can   view   my high  Dragon Fenris  cookie, I  think this cookie is  lyrium frosted so prolly not a good  idea to eat to many of them. 
  also to see if I can  finally post  anything... *sigh*

[Namuri]

silver-crescent wrote...

The Arishok duel was awful. I already went through it twice, once as a mage and once as a 2H warrior... third time around's gonna be as a DH rogue, hope it's easier that way.

It... is not.
Mages have it the easiest time. Esp force mages, esp force mages who get the standing still bug.
But really, you're going to have to spend about 20 mins back stabbing him then running away 8D;
Quite a big sense of accomplishment in the end though, I mean, the Arishok is this huge skilled warrior guy. And my Fem!Hawke killed him with two knives 

Modifié par Namuri, 03 avril 2011 - 03:36 .

[SurrealSadi]

Namuri wrote...

I know this is rather random, but I just thought of something. You know in DA: O, your companions can give you gifts, if you romance them, I mean. Alistair gives you a rose and Zev gives you an earring (best conversation ever, for me x3)
I don't know what the girls give you, since I never romanced them, but not the point.

If Fenris gave Hawke a gift, what do you think it'd be?
I'm thinking some sort of bracelet, that's enchanted to do something awesome.

editL: Here's a Fenris, with a sparkling Seb, because Seb deserves to sparkle.

*snip*
By: Seisei

Great, now all I can think of is this:

(Note-people from the Zevran thread might recognize that image [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie])

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

Shacary wrote...

http://img822.images...1033118045.jpg/
  Still testing to  see if  anyone  can   view   my high  Dragon Fenris  cookie, I  think this cookie is  lyrium frosted so prolly not a good  idea to eat to many of them. 
  also to see if I can  finally post  anything... *sigh*

AHHH! He's getting eaten alive!

*Pulls out shotgun* Wait... that's not gonna work... need something bigger... *Dives under table*

[Azakias]

SurrealSadi wrote...

Namuri wrote...

I know this is rather random, but I just thought of something. You know in DA: O, your companions can give you gifts, if you romance them, I mean. Alistair gives you a rose and Zev gives you an earring (best conversation ever, for me x3)
I don't know what the girls give you, since I never romanced them, but not the point.

If Fenris gave Hawke a gift, what do you think it'd be?
I'm thinking some sort of bracelet, that's enchanted to do something awesome.

editL: Here's a Fenris, with a sparkling Seb, because Seb deserves to sparkle.

*snip*
By: Seisei

Great, now all I can think of is this:

(Note-people from the Zevran thread might recognize that image [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie])

James Marstars is yummy.

[Namuri]

@ SurrealSadi : Nothing has been more true than that picture. Thank you 8D;

[SurrealSadi]

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, back to Fenris! Who else thinks with the initial kiss (glowy and not-glowy) one of the hottest parts is probably Hawke's leg between Fenris' legs....

I... WHAT?!

GOD now I have to go re-watch that scene when I get on the PS3 later

[Shacary]

Yay it worked thanks , rita, torax and helen! an thanks for comment Madame Rose, at least i know its working...
OOO ya hawt scene, I usually replay that wall scene like before I log, Makes me grin { i knwo i know I really need a life] and it ticks the b/f off to no end, all worth it ! lol
OO yay Ejoslin I cant wait til u fix the blank cutscenes. I dont see anythign wrong with hugs mb even a peck or two, even after the breakup... I mean i view it as a man trying to stay on the wagon and ocassionally slipping,.. with all that Hawke temptation ...

[Helen0rz]

ejoslin wrote...
If anything, the years he spends in Kirkwell would do nothing but reinforce that most mages are extremely dangerous.

I never thought I'd think this, but the Ferelden circle actually had the right of it. Most knight commanders are probably not like Gregoir, however.

Well..it depends on the region don't you think? In Kirkwall, the mages are really NOT helping their own cause, not at all. I know it's a run around, like "because of the templars, mages turn to blood magic, but because they use blood magic, they supress even harder". It's like if Meredith were to take a nice little trip up to Tevinter, it'll reaffirm her crazy beliefs that mages need to be caged up like beasts, you know?

But yeah, Ferelden had it mostly balanced, but that's Gregoir's not lyrium weapon and Irving are not turning himself into an abomination 

[Shacary]

O cuz im spontaneously chatty, that high dragon couldnt seem to keep from chewing on him like a biscuit. she musta picked him up like 6 times in that fight... I felt relieved it wasnt my Hawke, but ANders wouldnt heal him so I did that too LOL

[Shacary]

My first pT was as a male warrior, and i wanted to support the mages, but by the end of the game I was [ yes its true] so emotionally Drained and worn out from the evil stupid mages in Kirkwall, i just hated them all. At the end I really wanted to kill both sides.. I ended up choosing mages ONLY becuz i believed the game wanted us to.. but then Orsino happened and i was like... WTH? no wonder the whole place sucked. I kinda felt empathy for MEredith at that point.
I didnt know the tricks to keep sibling alive, and Hawke mum died, but at that point her conversation was all selfish and guilt driven to my character I didnt really care she was gone... LOL i know im brutal.
Second pt I sided with temps, and I did get a better feeling for the characters [ Hawke Family} and even the companions that i kinda missed first play.
MB it is somethign in the water.... In Kirkwall that makes them so nuts, and they had roving packs of blood mages attacking nite travelers... I MEAN come on, sounds like the circle wasnt a prison, or much else really. mb they had TO Much free time on their hands after all lol... im rambling sorry all..

[ejoslin]

SurrealSadi wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, back to Fenris! Who else thinks with the initial kiss (glowy and not-glowy) one of the hottest parts is probably Hawke's leg between Fenris' legs....

I... WHAT?!

GOD now I have to go re-watch that scene when I get on the PS3 later

You do!  The body movements are great.  But Hawke's leg bending slightly and going between Fenris' is just an amazing detail.  The other detail I like is when she first slams him into the wall, she gets on her tip toes while kissing then lowers herself to knees slightly bent. 

Nothing like a makeout session with lots of body movement!

The animator truly did a good job.  I am impressed.  

[ejoslin]

Helen0rz wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
If anything, the years he spends in Kirkwell would do nothing but reinforce that most mages are extremely dangerous.

I never thought I'd think this, but the Ferelden circle actually had the right of it. Most knight commanders are probably not like Gregoir, however.

Well..it depends on the region don't you think? In Kirkwall, the mages are really NOT helping their own cause, not at all. I know it's a run around, like "because of the templars, mages turn to blood magic, but because they use blood magic, they supress even harder". It's like if Meredith were to take a nice little trip up to Tevinter, it'll reaffirm her crazy beliefs that mages need to be caged up like beasts, you know?

But yeah, Ferelden had it mostly balanced, but that's Gregoir's not lyrium weapon and Irving are not turning himself into an abomination 

Gah, I can't resist...



Honestly, though, since Fenris has traveled a lot, I wonder what his experiences are in other places.  Kirkwell is the worst case scenario, but even DAO had demons, abominations, and blood mages.  Of course, I blame part of that on Irving.

[vocalemuse]

Rheia wrote...

Edit: Sue! And  that's pretty funny! I never choose blood mage spec either, patheticly for the exact reason that it'd prove Fenris right about resorting to black arts if need is too great. I can think of one instance she'd succomb though... if it'd save the lives of those she loves. No dilemma like that in game, though, so all of my mages are blood mage spec free lol.

I made my mage a Force spec one for this EXACT reason as well -- glad I'm not the only one. If I ever make another mage playthrough, I will go Spirit Healer just so I don't have to work on friendship or rivalry with Anders since I plan on killing him in the end anyway. I want Seb in the party more, sorry Andy. xD

Modifié par vocalemuse, 03 avril 2011 - 04:40 .

[SurrealSadi]

ejoslin wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, back to Fenris! Who else thinks with the initial kiss (glowy and not-glowy) one of the hottest parts is probably Hawke's leg between Fenris' legs....

I... WHAT?!

GOD now I have to go re-watch that scene when I get on the PS3 later

You do!  The body movements are great.  But Hawke's leg bending slightly and going between Fenris' is just an amazing detail.  The other detail I like is when she first slams him into the wall, she gets on her tip toes while kissing then lowers herself to knees slightly bent. 

Nothing like a makeout session with lots of body movement!

The animator truly did a good job.  I am impressed.  

I do believe the save I have before that kiss is a F!Hawke...I was thinking I had one from my M!Hawke Rival-mance, but no, I just recalled the playthrough before that one I set up a secondary save to before the kiss. So, I will have to wait till like 8 or 9 pm tonight to see it...

[Sue]

vocalemuse wrote...

Rheia wrote...

Edit: Sue! And  that's pretty funny! I never choose blood mage spec either, patheticly for the exact reason that it'd prove Fenris right about resorting to black arts if need is too great. I can think of one instance she'd succomb though... if it'd save the lives of those she loves. No dilemma like that in game, though, so all of my mages are blood mage spec free lol.

I made my mage a Force spec one for this EXACT reason as well -- glad I'm not the only one. xD If I ever make another mage playthrough, I will go Spirit Healer just so I don't have to work on friendship or rivalry with Anders since I plan on killing him in the end anyway. I want Seb in the party more, sorry Andy. xD

I enjoy Seb as an archer.  He is really powerful with my mage.  always had her back. but just need him to tone done that chantry stuff.  not into all the preaching. ;p

[vocalemuse]

Sue wrote...

vocalemuse wrote...

Rheia wrote...

Edit: Sue! And  that's pretty funny! I never choose blood mage spec either, patheticly for the exact reason that it'd prove Fenris right about resorting to black arts if need is too great. I can think of one instance she'd succomb though... if it'd save the lives of those she loves. No dilemma like that in game, though, so all of my mages are blood mage spec free lol.

I made my mage a Force spec one for this EXACT reason as well -- glad I'm not the only one. If I ever make another mage playthrough, I will go Spirit Healer just so I don't have to work on friendship or rivalry with Anders since I plan on killing him in the end anyway. I want Seb in the party more, sorry Andy. xD

I enjoy Seb as an archer.  He is really powerful with my mage.  always had her back. but just need him to tone done that chantry stuff.  not into all the preaching. ;p

Amen to that, sister. xD That's why I've only done Friendship with him on one playthrough and Rivalry on the rest, lmao!

I do enjoy that Sebastian and Fenris seem to become good friends as well, their party banter is awesome.

Modifié par vocalemuse, 03 avril 2011 - 04:44 .