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[DemonSaya]

Azakias wrote...

As long as I still have the drawing bug making my hand itch, bring it on. My muse is a finicky girl, though.

Alas, it is bedtime to me. (Is it strange to be saying good night on a message board?)

g'night Az  ^__^

[Ms .45]

Hekateras wrote...

Just finished DA2 a few days ago. Fenris's romance is so difficult but rewardingly heartwarming... Squeee! ^^ He was very well-written and his tics of personality (mage hatred, subjugation hatred, seeing the world through a slave/master lens, etc.) were very plausible and realistic....

A little thing, though. Did anyone else feel the Alone quest was a bit... underwhelming? I mean, here I am, looking forward to that final confrontation with Danarius practically from the moment I meet Fenris and learn what his deal is, and the guy - the scheming, diabolical Tevinter magister - just lures him into a tavern in the middle of the day. No intricately laid trap (doesn't the guy even know paralysation glyphs?) or sleep gas, no blood magic, no revelation of Fen's very mysterious lyrium markings with properties not fully known as a way for the magister to control him in a pinch... I dunno. The scene was very poignant for the options and conflicts it offered, but I expected the quest of such an important milestone in Fen's companion arc to be a bit more complex than that. In particular since Danarius was previously a force to be feared, a shadow hanging over Fenris, and such a clumsy setup didn't seem to match the hype...

I understand the whole "the game was rushed" problem, just wondering if anyone else felt the same way.

I wanted a closer examination of what Fenris did to free his family. I mean, it's *honourable* to undergo such a painful transformation to make life easier for your family (Hawke seems to just kill hers off act by act!). The sister drops some vague hint that Fenris is doing way better than she and their mother, and then leaves. I NEED CLOSURE ON THAT ANECDOTE! Surely Fenris would want to know why he did what he did? 

I didn't dare allow a confrontation with the sister for fear that Fen would kill her, and I lost 20 friendship points and completely buggered the friendship romance by NOT letting him attack her. So, great, I fail at getting to sleep with Fen because I won't let him slaughter the more-or-less innocent sister *headdesk*.

On a related note, where the hell is that book? You know the one.

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

The Book of Shartan, I think, is about an elven Tevinter slave that escaped? Am I correct? I can't quite remember.

And I happily let Fenris kills his sister, she tells him that she sold him out for a chance to become an apprentice magister. I'd think any sibling willing to get you killed in order to further their career deserves Fenris' fist punching out through their back. She's not even remotely more or less innocent.

[DemonSaya]

Ms .45 wrote...

Hekateras wrote...

Just finished DA2 a few days ago. Fenris's romance is so difficult but rewardingly heartwarming... Squeee! ^^ He was very well-written and his tics of personality (mage hatred, subjugation hatred, seeing the world through a slave/master lens, etc.) were very plausible and realistic....

A little thing, though. Did anyone else feel the Alone quest was a bit... underwhelming? I mean, here I am, looking forward to that final confrontation with Danarius practically from the moment I meet Fenris and learn what his deal is, and the guy - the scheming, diabolical Tevinter magister - just lures him into a tavern in the middle of the day. No intricately laid trap (doesn't the guy even know paralysation glyphs?) or sleep gas, no blood magic, no revelation of Fen's very mysterious lyrium markings with properties not fully known as a way for the magister to control him in a pinch... I dunno. The scene was very poignant for the options and conflicts it offered, but I expected the quest of such an important milestone in Fen's companion arc to be a bit more complex than that. In particular since Danarius was previously a force to be feared, a shadow hanging over Fenris, and such a clumsy setup didn't seem to match the hype...

I understand the whole "the game was rushed" problem, just wondering if anyone else felt the same way.

I wanted a closer examination of what Fenris did to free his family. I mean, it's *honourable* to undergo such a painful transformation to make life easier for your family (Hawke seems to just kill hers off act by act!). The sister drops some vague hint that Fenris is doing way better than she and their mother, and then leaves. I NEED CLOSURE ON THAT ANECDOTE! Surely Fenris would want to know why he did what he did? 

I didn't dare allow a confrontation with the sister for fear that Fen would kill her, and I lost 20 friendship points and completely buggered the friendship romance by NOT letting him attack her. So, great, I fail at getting to sleep with Fen because I won't let him slaughter the more-or-less innocent sister *headdesk*.

On a related note, where the hell is that book? You know the one.

The Book is in Act 2, Lowtown, Elven Alienage, at night.

[tankgirly]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Got back from a trip to Canada. Must write:

Magic:

Hawke Estate

Fenris: You forgot the key.

Hawke: Yes I did, and because the Maker loves to keep my life interesting I had to do it on the day that Bodhan and Sandal are in Starkhaven.

Fenris: Can't you just magic it open?

Hawke: It doesn't work like that.

Fenris: I've seen what Danarius and other mages can do with their powers I fail to see how a locked door can stop you.

Hawke: (sighs) I could use magic on the door, and it would open, but then we'd end up with a gaping hole in our house. Magic is essentially tapping into the energy of the world around us and then using that energy.

Fenris: I can't imagine that it would take much effort to open a wooden door.

Hawke: Very well Serah Magic-Hands, let's see you try and open the door.

Fenris: Very well, stand back. (phases hand and attempts to punch through the door's lock only to have his fist impact against solid steel) Fendhis! What did you do to this door?

Hawke: After that whole incident with the Qunari I had Sandal enchant the door with warding runes. It is now nearly impervious to damage, magic included.

Fenris: (rubbing his sore hand) Is there anything you haven't had Sandal enchant?

Hawke: I could name a few things but not in polite company.

Fenris: (muttering under his breath) Mages.

What will we do without you?

[DemonSaya]

tankgirly wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Got back from a trip to Canada. Must write:

Magic:

Hawke Estate

Fenris: You forgot the key.

Hawke: Yes I did, and because the Maker loves to keep my life interesting I had to do it on the day that Bodhan and Sandal are in Starkhaven.

Fenris: Can't you just magic it open?

Hawke: It doesn't work like that.

Fenris: I've seen what Danarius and other mages can do with their powers I fail to see how a locked door can stop you.

Hawke: (sighs) I could use magic on the door, and it would open, but then we'd end up with a gaping hole in our house. Magic is essentially tapping into the energy of the world around us and then using that energy.

Fenris: I can't imagine that it would take much effort to open a wooden door.

Hawke: Very well Serah Magic-Hands, let's see you try and open the door.

Fenris: Very well, stand back. (phases hand and attempts to punch through the door's lock only to have his fist impact against solid steel) Fendhis! What did you do to this door?

Hawke: After that whole incident with the Qunari I had Sandal enchant the door with warding runes. It is now nearly impervious to damage, magic included.

Fenris: (rubbing his sore hand) Is there anything you haven't had Sandal enchant?

Hawke: I could name a few things but not in polite company.

Fenris: (muttering under his breath) Mages.

What will we do without you?

I want to know what HASN'T been enchanted...that she can't mention in polite company  XD

[alexa_025]

ejoslin wrote...

alexa_025 wrote...

Namuri wrote...

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

Zevran is nothing but an assassin with a questionable motive who could easily be manipulating Hawke for any number of reasons, as far as Fenris knows. I don't think he'd always react that way to just anyone propositioning Hawke.

Well, I hope not, he basically threatened to kill him 8D;
He'd probably glare at anyone who tried, and that'd probably ward them off, unless they were drunk. In which case, Hawke can handle herself. :>

Yep, jealous Fen is awesome though. "That depends. How much do you wish to test that luck of yours?" Total win.

As an aside, yes, it comes off as possessive rather than protective to me as well. It is absolutely delicious and totally understandable though. I'd probably feel the same way, as well.

It is possessive.  I mean, it's not that Zevran propositions Hawke first, after all...  Hawke has flirt in their first conversation, and that comment about manhandling is pretty suggestive.  

I like that he doesn't get upset with her flirting -- just when it goes a little further than friendly.

Late reply, but yeah, I agree. I could never abide someone going up to my significant other like that in real life so I wouldn't expect Fen to either.

About the flirting. I like that too. He's possessive but isn't over the top with it. 

[Namuri]

Especially if said person is a morally dubious /assassin/

[Addai]

Ms .45 wrote...
I wanted a closer examination of what Fenris did to free his family. I mean, it's *honourable* to undergo such a painful transformation to make life easier for your family (Hawke seems to just kill hers off act by act!). The sister drops some vague hint that Fenris is doing way better than she and their mother, and then leaves. I NEED CLOSURE ON THAT ANECDOTE! Surely Fenris would want to know why he did what he did?

Fenris has bits of memory, so he'll probably remember it himself sooner or later.  I don't think either he or Varania were up for a long chat.

I didn't dare allow a confrontation with the sister for fear that Fen would kill her, and I lost 20 friendship points and completely buggered the friendship romance by NOT letting him attack her. So, great, I fail at getting to sleep with Fen because I won't let him slaughter the more-or-less innocent sister *headdesk*.

Wait, you didn't go to the Hanged Man at all?  Because you can convince him not to kill her, and pretty easily.

On a related note, where the hell is that book? You know the one.

It's in a sack in the alienage, but only at night- go figure.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 avril 2011 - 05:55 .

[alexa_025]

silver-crescent wrote...

The Arishok duel was awful. I already went through it twice, once as a mage and once as a 2H warrior... third time around's gonna be as a DH rogue, hope it's easier that way.

I've dont it twice so far, once with a dual-wielding rogue (who ended up using a bow instead - it took me 2 hours! to finally beat him *I suck, yes.*) and a freeze-spell efficient mage (much easier, didn't even need to heal much)...so no, it's not easier with a rogue. At all.

Modifié par alexa_025, 04 avril 2011 - 06:24 .

[elenilote]

Thought it's about time I posted about our MEG - our cool FB group.
There are so many questions at various times, it might make things easier if I write it all down for you.

• It's a Facebook group. This means you have to have a facebook account to join.
• As this forum is the only place we are advertising the group, it is a fair assumption that you have a BSN account as well. Please do us the courtesy of introducing yourself with your BSN nick when you join.
• Joining the group does not mean having to befriend everyone in it - we respect your right to privacy and will not pry if you wish your profile to remain private.
• There are no minimum activity requirements in the group, you can lurk as much as you want.
• It's a closed group.
• See 5. DO NOT SHARE THE POSTS IN THE GROUP ON THIS FORUM. Some of us like to keep our opinions to a select audience.
• See 5. Any activities in the group are for group members only (i.e. our bi-weekly challenge currently going) - they are not currently open to people not part of the group. Sorry.
• See 5. If your fellow forum member does not wish to advertise their participation in MEG, don't out them against their wishes.
• You need to be 18+ to join, there are no exceptions. Discussions, links, stories and art are likely to contain adul material - if this offends you, don't come in. 
• As with any group, membership is dependent on your continuing good behaviour - if you make trouble, we will kick you out. The admins' decisions are final and there is no appeal.
• Have fun. That's all we do  

You can find us through this link: http://www.facebook....4763002971&ap=1.

Come and share your love for the Mysterious Elf Guy 
<3

Modifié par elenilote, 04 avril 2011 - 08:38 .

[SilentK]

Wow, just got Fenris to turn to me in the Fade. Think that it surprised him as much as me. Wish we could have had a longer talk afterwards =) Isabella's sorry-I-turned-on-you bit was pretty fun. Next time I romance him I'll try to trigger it again. Love it when new and surprising things happens when you bring a different companion to a q from the group you had on the last Hawke =)

[niamhdannan]

SilentK wrote...

Wow, just got Fenris to turn to me in the Fade. Think that it surprised him as much as me. Wish we could have had a longer talk afterwards =) Isabella's sorry-I-turned-on-you bit was pretty fun. Next time I romance him I'll try to trigger it again. Love it when new and surprising things happens when you bring a different companion to a q from the group you had on the last Hawke =)

Have you gone back to his mansion yet?  There's more dialogue when you go back there and talk to him where he'll either apologize (friendmance) or blame you (rivalmance).  Not too much, but hey, more Fenris = good thing

[Renessa]

SilentK wrote...

Wow, just got Fenris to turn to me in the Fade. Think that it surprised him as much as me. Wish we could have had a longer talk afterwards =) Isabella's sorry-I-turned-on-you bit was pretty fun. Next time I romance him I'll try to trigger it again. Love it when new and surprising things happens when you bring a different companion to a q from the group you had on the last Hawke =)

Hello, I just have to de-lurk here for a second, because Fenris turning on my Hawke was one of the most surprising moments in my second playthrough. I was trying out a rival romance with Fenris, so I thought I could wind him up a bit by taking him into the Fade.

I was totally convinced, that Fenris could never be tempted by a demon, so when the offer was made, I remember my Hawke just making a joke about it. My jaw dropped, when he turned on her and then immediately "killed" my Spirit Healer Hawke with just one blow. The whole thing happened so quick, I was just sputtering in front of the monitor, desperately groping for the "pause" button. Thankfully, I still had Aveline and together with Isabela she was able to take him down.

Funnily enough, my respect for Fenris increased for being able to do that. When Isabela turned on my Hawke because of the desire demon, she never posed a real danger to her.

It did not stop my Hawke for getting into quite an argument with him later. And the whole episode netted her loads of rivalry points.

[Fault Girl]

I'm guessing being an elven slave it better than being a servant being paid. Why pay when they get others to do it for free? It's quite depressing but doesn't excuse what she did to my Fenris! But saying that I haven't killed her yet, due to unknown reasons....

oh well.

[lizzbee]

elenilote wrote...


[*]See 5. Any activities in the group are for group members only (i.e. our bi-weekly challenge currently going) - they are not currently open to people not part of the group. Sorry.
[*]

Bummer, because if that dog thing and Leandra was a real prompt, I actually had a bit of an idea...
Oh well.

Modifié par lizzbee, 04 avril 2011 - 08:19 .

[elenilote]

@lizzbee - sorry
Do your bit anyway, and post it here - we would love to see it!

[Rheia]

I have something for you guys. Well, for for PC users only, unfortunately.

Took me forever and a half to do it, but I -finally- made Hawke's and Fenris' armors match.







If you want  it I have the armor retexture and instructions for acquiring it in my projects here or at the nexus. It's the third file (athenril armor recolor fenris style).

Have fun with it if you decide to get it .

[sushismygen]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

The Book of Shartan, I think, is about an elven Tevinter slave that escaped? Am I correct? I can't quite remember.

And I happily let Fenris kills his sister, she tells him that she sold him out for a chance to become an apprentice magister. I'd think any sibling willing to get you killed in order to further their career deserves Fenris' fist punching out through their back. She's not even remotely more or less innocent.

I'm under the impression that Fenris is mistaken in his assumptions that Denerius wants to kill him. Denerius wants him back as a slave. We have a proof of it if Hawke hands him over. So when Varania agrees to help Denerius it might partly be because the magister promissed her that he wouldn't kill her brother, that everything would be like "back in old days" before Fenris escaped. From Varanias point of view freedom was bad so probably she thought she was even doing him a favour. It was not before she saw him with friends that she realized their differences. That being said Im not a big fan of her. I did have one "die ****" play through, I mostly let her live thou for Fenris' own mental sake. It is after all the only family he has left and he might regret it one day.

[elenilote]

@short cake - come and join us on our Varania MUST die group you seem like just the kind of person who we welcome
http://social.bioware.com/group/4078/

[SilentK]

Jupp, after this Fenris is pretty much a sure thing for going to the fade =) poor guy

[Anny78]

SilentK wrote...

Wow, just got Fenris to turn to me in the Fade. Think that it surprised him as much as me. Wish we could have had a longer talk afterwards =) Isabella's sorry-I-turned-on-you bit was pretty fun. Next time I romance him I'll try to trigger it again. Love it when new and surprising things happens when you bring a different companion to a q from the group you had on the last Hawke =)

How did you do that? I brought him twice to the Fade (both friendmance and rivalmance) and he never turned on me.

@Rheia: awesome work looks great! <3 (poor Hawke solidary shoeless )

Modifié par Anny78, 04 avril 2011 - 09:50 .

[sushismygen]

Anny78 wrote...

SilentK wrote...

Wow, just got Fenris to turn to me in the Fade. Think that it surprised him as much as me. Wish we could have had a longer talk afterwards =) Isabella's sorry-I-turned-on-you bit was pretty fun. Next time I romance him I'll try to trigger it again. Love it when new and surprising things happens when you bring a different companion to a q from the group you had on the last Hawke =)

How did you do that? I brought him twice to the Fade (both friendmance and rivalmance) and he never turned on me.

@Rheia: awesome work looks great! <3 (poor Hawke solidary shoeless )

I think it has something to do with your approval and depends on companion as well, some specificly fall for desire demon like Isabella and Avelin and Verric I think, while Merril and Fenris fall for pride demon, so if yo have say...Fenris and Merril with you, the one with the lowest friendship/rivalry will turn on you.

[Hekateras]

Addai67 wrote...

I do think Danarius expected Fenris to fold, though after three years of running and what happened to Hadriana he had to know that something else was going on and Fenris wasn't going to turn on Hawke like he did to the fog warriors.  I think Danarius just wanted to humiliate Fenris a bit before he killed him to get the lyrium.

It was three years of running when you first meet Fenris. Act III and Alone, on the other hand, take place YEARS after that. Even as an arrogant magister, Danarius would be a fool to assume quite the same level of obedience.

I'm not asking for anything over-the-top. I rotated through all the conversation options and I do agree that, emotionally, it was all very poignant. I just thought Danarius himself, as a villain and an opponent, while certainly as slimy and repulsive as I imagined him, was far from being threatening enough after years of only knowing him as this mysterious threatening force in the background. The trap was clumsy. The characters could've escaped simply by throwing a quick distraction and then backing out the way they came in and running like hell. Another thing is how Danarius set the ambush up in the first place. It's the Hanged Man Inn where "everybody knows your name" (and remembers you saving them from the Qunari) and is basically Varric's home. How would slavers hole up there without Varric finding out about it? Plot hole!

That aside, I totally need to go and draw some Fen-art already. XD