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[darkrose]

Ashera wrote...

darkrose wrote...

Rheia wrote...

darkrose: That's odd... no, doing questioning believes before Better Pill is fine. Did you flirt/entered romance with any other companion before that?

I've flirted with Isabela, but we haven't slept together yet. However, when I go back home after talking to Fenris, she jumps me...could that be it?

Isabela killed my romance too-- all I did was flirt with her. I actually ended up having to replay a couple of hours. It was very odd, because I was almost all the way friendmanced with Fenris, and I didn't think flirting literally one time with her would do that. It was a pretty suggestive flirt, but still.

Damnit. That's going to be problematic, since I wanted to try having her come back this time. I can't seem to figure out how to get her friendship up other than flirting with her.

[Rheia]

Few pointers here: http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Isabela scroll down to Friendship subheading. Also works if you rival her, she'll come back too. I just like her friendship better and it's very easy ...

Another one, after questioning believes, but prior to bitter pill, talking with Isabella will result at her cracking a joke at your romance with Fenris. Listen to the joke for + 5 friendship, or don't for rivalry. (she'll crack the joke after bitter pill too, but I thought by then it was out of place... )

She makes a fantastic friend btw, without the flirts. I was so darn surprised that I loved her character, I thought i'd resent her. I did feel a few jelousy stabs when she tried to flirt with Fenris, however I mean, how could one not? She's gorgeous, witty, has a strong personality and on occasion I actually thought Hawke kind of compares poorly

Modifié par Rheia, 06 avril 2011 - 11:39 .

[witchthief]

darkrose wrote...

Damnit. That's going to be problematic, since I wanted to try having her come back this time. I can't seem to figure out how to get her friendship up other than flirting with her.

It seems that if you do stuff with her in the party that's a little mercenary, like getting coin out of people for doing quests, it increases her friendship. That's what I did my most current playthrough, and it seemed really easy to get her friendship up.

[Ashera]

Rheia wrote...

She makes a fantastic friend btw, without the flirts. I was so darn surprised that I loved her character, I thought i'd resent her. I did feel a few jelousy stabs when she tried to flirt with Fenris, however I mean, how could one not? She's gorgeous, witty, has a strong personality and on occasion I actually thought Hawke kind of compares poorly

Agree. My dream team use to be Aveline, Varric and Fenris, but now I think it is Isabela, Varric and Fenris. You give Izzy a couple of good daggers, and she can really go to town. She's weird to get friendship with because she gets points for things that set everyone else off (except Varric a lot of the time... but he is a rogue as well), so I think that is why people have a hard time with her. She is a very independent girl, after all.

[Rheia]

Haha, I guess it was easy for me because my original Hawke and her became thick as thieves (even thought she was a mage), fast. Then again, I rivaled a good half of my party (I'm looking at you, Aveline!) , including Fenris, so it was kind of natural

Modifié par Rheia, 06 avril 2011 - 11:43 .

[witchthief]

On a Bela-related note, if you max her Duelist tree and dual-wielding, with a little of the subterfuge thrown in, she makes a very effective rogue-tank.

[Heidenreich]

If you make sure you get his 'Questioning Beliefs' before you do a bitter pill, the romance will triger -- sans no other romance is active.

you -can- flirt with and sleep with isabela and have the romance complete... except that it bugs at the end with the varric telling, which will say both Fernis and Issy stay with the champion, at the same time ;p Just make sure you do it BEFORE you do Fenris's act2 quests. Any of them.

[Ashera]

Heidenreich wrote...

If you make sure you get his 'Questioning Beliefs' before you do a bitter pill, the romance will triger -- sans no other romance is active.

you -can- flirt with and sleep with isabela and have the romance complete... except that it bugs at the end with the varric telling, which will say both Fernis and Issy stay with the champion, at the same time ;p Just make sure you do it BEFORE you do Fenris's act2 quests. Any of them.

That may be what it was... I talked to her before I talked to Fenris, so I bet that was the problem.

[darkrose]

Thanks for all of the suggestions, y'all. I did A Bitter Pill again, after explicitly turning Isabela down. I didn't get the option to ask Fenris to stay at all after returning home. *sigh*

My problem with Isabela is that I'm playing an archery rogue. Between Fenris and Hawke, half the party is squishy DPS. In order to keep from dying, I usually round things out with Aveline and Anders, so I have to get friendship up with everyone else by doing their personal quests.

In my last playthrough, I had Isabela at maybe 25% friendship by the end of Act 2. I never even got her Questioning Beliefs quest

Screw it; I'm going to bed. I guess I'll have to go back to the beginning of Act 2 so I can not flirt with Isabela. It's annoying, because I was trying to actually roleplay this Hawke to make him a little bit of a flirt who rarely carries through on anything, but I guess that's out.

*is grumpy*

[Heidenreich]

darkrose wrote...

Thanks for all of the suggestions, y'all. I did A Bitter Pill again, after explicitly turning Isabela down. I didn't get the option to ask Fenris to stay at all after returning home. *sigh*

My problem with Isabela is that I'm playing an archery rogue. Between Fenris and Hawke, half the party is squishy DPS. In order to keep from dying, I usually round things out with Aveline and Anders, so I have to get friendship up with everyone else by doing their personal quests.

In my last playthrough, I had Isabela at maybe 25% friendship by the end of Act 2. I never even got her Questioning Beliefs quest

Screw it; I'm going to bed. I guess I'll have to go back to the beginning of Act 2 so I can not flirt with Isabela. It's annoying, because I was trying to actually roleplay this Hawke to make him a little bit of a flirt who rarely carries through on anything, but I guess that's out.

*is grumpy*

If he doesn't stay when you ask him to, go out, and come back to your house at night. If you've flirted with Issy at all, even if you turn her down for funtimes, he wont Glowy kiss you. That being said, if you did his "Questioning Beliefs" before you do "A Bitter Pill", he WILL come back and initiate the romance with the line "Tell me to leave, and I will"

[ThatDancingTurian]

I think this whole issue people are having with Fenris not coming back is a Isabela-related glitch rather than something that's supposed to happen. Otherwise why would one flirt with her cause his romance to break, but say, flirting every single time with Anders does not? Every time someone has this problem it usually comes with a side of Isabela.

I think maybe she's purposely sabotaging Hawke so she can have the glistening elf to herself.

[autumnyte]

darkrose wrote...

Damnit. That's going to be problematic, since I wanted to try having her come back this time. I can't seem to figure out how to get her friendship up other than flirting with her.

Is it possible you just need more rivalry points? I always flirt with Isa, and never have a problem activating the Fenris romance, but I typically have him at 100% rivalry by the end of Bitter Pill. Have you given him Act 2 gift yet? I think maybe if you do a couple of quests to bump up his rivalry it might trigger the romance.

[darkrose]

autumnyte wrote...

darkrose wrote...

Damnit. That's going to be problematic, since I wanted to try having her come back this time. I can't seem to figure out how to get her friendship up other than flirting with her.

Is it possible you just need more rivalry points? I always flirt with Isa, and never have a problem activating the Fenris romance, but I typically have him at 100% rivalry by the end of Bitter Pill. Have you given him Act 2 gift yet? I think maybe if you do a couple of quests to bump up his rivalry it might trigger the romance.

I tried that, anf it got be to around 90% rivalry, but still no romance.

I've found a workaround, though, which is using the console to set the romance active. With that flag on, I get the "Is that it?" option when Fenris tries to leave; I grab hhis arm and glowy wall kissing ensues.

Suffer to learn; cheat to win.

[Heidenreich]

The romance should trigger if he's been flirted with enough + high enough for his questioning beleifs to come before a bitter pill. You might not get a glowy kiss, but it'll trigger none the less ;p

Just leave, walk around hightown, and then go back home via the map at nighttime ;p

Just make sure you dont have any ohter romances active. Aka, dont ask issy about love, don't invite anders or merrill to stay the night, etc ;p

Modifié par Heidenreich, 06 avril 2011 - 12:50 .

[UrsulaCousland]

vocalemuse wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Oh yeah, same here. I'd have a hard time choosing which of the two to let do it. Seb has personal stake in it, but Fenris... DAT PHASEPUNCH.

Sometimes I kind of feel bad for using him as my personal executioner just because it looks so cool when he kills people.

LOL! Me too about the feeling bad thing. I get this Aeducan flashback whenever I have him kill people, I just see my Hawke pulling a dwarf noble line, "Fenris, this man displeases me. Crush his heart!" after a while. xD

I really enjoy having him deal with Danzig. The satisfaction when he says, "I can do that..." is priceless. 

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 06 avril 2011 - 01:11 .

[autumnyte]

Hey guys - question. I saw on YouTube that it's possible to have Fenris take out Gascard DuPuis, but I've been unable to trigger this in game. Can anyone give details on how/where/when this occurs?

[kgaustad]

On my warrior playthrough I was romancing both Anders and Fenris. Flirted with them both as much as possible. At the beginning of act 2 I did Fenris' quests first( bitter pill then questioning beliefs). He came back@ night did the" command me to go bit" and then sexytime. After that I went to do Anders questioning beliefs and got the noisy kiss then he told me he would come to my house. When he did he told me Justice did not approve of his obsession with me. If you choose the broken heart icon Anders gets upset and says I have seem you with Fenris, I don't know what you see in that maniac but maybe you can tame him. Grrrrr....I wish I had an option to tell him to GTFO after he says that, but he just leaves.

[Rheia]

Autumnyte:
First off, it appears if you play as dominant sarcastic personality, you can't. (persuade option to talk him out of the fight won't appear)

If yours is diplomatic or agressive however... when you do the quest to investigate his mention, let him go and don't turn him in to the guards. He'll go to Darktown.

When you begin all that remains quest, don't go to lowtown to find your uncle, but go to Darktown to talk with Gascard instead. He'll do blood magic ritual and you'll be in Foundry tracking the killer from there.

DON'T BRING VARRICK! Varrick has a heroic moment there, making gascard dead as dead can be

When you confront quentin, talk Gascard out of attacking you with a star dialog. Then you can revisit him with Fenris. (Don't bring Aveline, because I heard she can override Fenris there).

Modifié par Rheia, 06 avril 2011 - 01:49 .

[Ashera]

autumnyte wrote...

Hey guys - question. I saw on YouTube that it's possible to have Fenris take out Gascard DuPuis, but I've been unable to trigger this in game. Can anyone give details on how/where/when this occurs?

SPOILERS (obviously)

When you talk to GD in his mansion, believe his story, and he will go to Darktown. The quest updates for you to talk to Emeric, who is dead. Talk to the Templar who comes up after you fight off the demons and such looming around Emeric's body, and tell her you think GD is not the one who killed Emeric (I think it is option 3).

When you realize the serial killer has selected your mother, go to Darktown (do not take Varric from here on out, or all your hard work will be in vain). He will perform a blood ritual that will locate the serial killer. Fenris  is a sweetie here and doesn't give you a ration of crap about it either. OK, go through the dungeon with GD (who stands around watching you fight  <_<), until you meet Quentin. GD and Quentin will have some dialogue, and you will have the conversational option to shame him into fighting with you against Quentin. He will leave when Quentin is dead.

Go through the cut scenes with Fenris (or your LI if it isn't he) and when that is all over, take Fenris with you to Darktown where you first met GD. This is tricky because I had other people in the party the first time and they overrode Fenris, so I just took him alone the second time. Anyway, you will then have the opportunity to confront GD and have Fenris give him a heart massage.

Modifié par Ashera, 06 avril 2011 - 02:13 .

[autumnyte]

Thanks! Never would have figured that out in a million years. LOL

[Sue]

Ashera, thanks from me too. I could never figure that out either. Will go back and try it tonight.

[buggirl]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I think this whole issue people are having with Fenris not coming back is a Isabela-related glitch rather than something that's supposed to happen. Otherwise why would one flirt with her cause his romance to break, but say, flirting every single time with Anders does not? Every time someone has this problem it usually comes with a side of Isabela.

I think maybe she's purposely sabotaging Hawke so she can have the glistening elf to herself.

What systems are you guys on? I am on PC and have flirted with Izzy, have her show up at the mansion and turned her down (she takes in strides which I really like) then did Questioning Beliefs and Bitter Pill and got the all shebeng with Fenris (including the glowy kiss).  If Izzy frienship is high and she is "ready" to show up at the mansion and you do Questioning Beliefs for Fenris before that, the romance option is not there.

[Evindell]

darkrose wrote...

Thanks for all of the suggestions, y'all. I did A Bitter Pill again, after explicitly turning Isabela down. I didn't get the option to ask Fenris to stay at all after returning home. *sigh*

My problem with Isabela is that I'm playing an archery rogue. Between Fenris and Hawke, half the party is squishy DPS. In order to keep from dying, I usually round things out with Aveline and Anders, so I have to get friendship up with everyone else by doing their personal quests.

In my last playthrough, I had Isabela at maybe 25% friendship by the end of Act 2. I never even got her Questioning Beliefs quest

Screw it; I'm going to bed. I guess I'll have to go back to the beginning of Act 2 so I can not flirt with Isabela. It's annoying, because I was trying to actually roleplay this Hawke to make him a little bit of a flirt who rarely carries through on anything, but I guess that's out.

*is grumpy*

I kind of had the same problem. I never really took Isabela anywhere that could get me friendship points, but I found what helps. Take her when you do Magister's Orders and kill Kelder yourself (if you let Fenris do it you still get friendship points, but not as many) and you'll get +15 friendships points. Do her other little personal quest in Act 1 and you'll get another little boost to friendship (as long as you help Martin). I also got a random +5 from her when I met Javaris and agreed to kill qunari ("I'll do it to hunt fugitives" option). That's all I did to put her firmly in friendship, and then when Act 2 began I had her initial conversation, a scene with Merrill, her ship, and then the Fenris romance option. This should give you over +75 in friendship. Give her the tome and she'll come back for you.

I wonder if I'm too late with this suggestion, but it'll be here for anyone else who needs it

[Rheia]

Take her when you do Magister's Orders and kill Kelder yourself

No amount of Isa friendship is worth missing the scene where Fenris kills the bastard

Hehe, I'm sorry, I realize I just made a counter-productive post, but I couldn't resist

[Evindell]

It's been 8 hours since I made my post about Anders, but you know, sleep and all. I need it. lol

I actually never felt bad for asking Fenris to phasepunch people, because the only times you really do it you aren't giving him an order, per se. The one time during Wayward Son, with the slavers, I asked Fenris to do it simply because I knew he was probably itching to do it. They were slavers after all.

And then there was Kelder, but he offered with that one. He said if I couldn't kill him, then he would do it. That wasn't ordering him. That was simply choosing to let him do what I could not--except I always did it myself. lol

With Gascard, especially after romancing him, that was not an order. That was Fenris doing something for his lover...and he owes me after walking out on me

He pretty much phasepunches most people on his own. He chose to do it to Hadriana and Varania. If he killed Anders for me I would see it less like an order, and more like him saving me from killing a friend. After all, he never liked Anders. I doubt he would feel very much if he did it. Perhaps he would be sad, because I was sad, but...