Modifié par Shacary, 08 avril 2011 - 01:37 .
sadclown wrote...
I've been trying to figure out why I prefer the Fenris romance to the Anders one and I think part of it has to do with when they each "fall in love." With the Anders romance, he tells that he's been thinking Hawke every night for three years. Just from the tone in his voice, it's obvious that he's been thinking vivid sexual things. But with Fenris, I can imagine him sitting by the fire at night thinking about Hawke in combat: the way she plunges her daggers into a slaver's kidneys, the scrunch of her eyes as she conjures a lightning storm, or the line of her body as she decapitates someone. Basically, I imagine that he comes to love her after admiring her in combat for years. But he doesn't think about it as being in love. With Anders, he is trying so hard to be “a man in love,” and if you let him, he succeeds. He certainly says all the right things to make a gal or guy swoon. But it's too typical. For as passionate as the Fenris romance is, there is a lot more lust in the Anders romance and it feels a little too dirty. The Fenris romance is hot without feeling dirty or creepy. And I think a big part of that is in what exactly they are thinking about when they think about Hawke at night.
(My apologies to those with male Hawkes, but it's easier to keep my pronouns referring to the right
person if I assume a female Hawke.)
Edit: I mostly lurk and the formatting hosed me. Does the formating always get crazy when you copy from a word document?
Helen0rz wrote...
Anders is a "passionate" man. He almost seemed...deprived of love or something. His is raw, straight up passion, he's hungry for things he thought he can no longer have. To me it feels as though he's so on edge, he'd do anything to feel happy, normal, or sane. It's kinda sad, because he DOES say everything you would want to hear a lover, but...when it comes down to it...it's kinda all talk. Like Sebastian said, he's dangerous, and he's selfish; he would never place Hawke above his needs. He's way too conflicted as a person, or as a...er...hero or some sort. It's great in the beginning, and it sucked at the end.
I wouldn't say Fenris did not think about Hawke in compromising positions, I think to an extent he does, but I don't think it was anything like Anders. I'm sure he wanted her, but not crazy lust, you know? Fenris romance, to me, feels more grounded and less crazy. Anders was too intense, too 'all over the place' and it's just all too much. Fenris...much more calming and I can deal with that. There's passion too, but not something that'll burn you up and inside out till there's nothing left
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He seems more like the replaying conversations or thinking about past events type to me. Unfortunately, I can't really articulate why he feels that way to me. Perhaps after his night with Hawke I can see him fantasizing about her, but his feelings seems to take him by surprise to such an extent that I can't imagine that he spent tons of time in sexual fantasies before they spend the night together.
sadclown wrote...
Helen0rz wrote...
Anders is a "passionate" man. He almost seemed...deprived of love or something. His is raw, straight up passion, he's hungry for things he thought he can no longer have. To me it feels as though he's so on edge, he'd do anything to feel happy, normal, or sane. It's kinda sad, because he DOES say everything you would want to hear a lover, but...when it comes down to it...it's kinda all talk. Like Sebastian said, he's dangerous, and he's selfish; he would never place Hawke above his needs. He's way too conflicted as a person, or as a...er...hero or some sort. It's great in the beginning, and it sucked at the end.
I wouldn't say Fenris did not think about Hawke in compromising positions, I think to an extent he does, but I don't think it was anything like Anders. I'm sure he wanted her, but not crazy lust, you know? Fenris romance, to me, feels more grounded and less crazy. Anders was too intense, too 'all over the place' and it's just all too much. Fenris...much more calming and I can deal with that. There's passion too, but not something that'll burn you up and inside out till there's nothing left
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See, I just can't imagine Fenris sitting around imagining sexual encounters. And trust me, I'd like to.
The Fenris romance certainly feels less crazy, but I don't really know why. In a lot of ways, it is just as crazy. I mean, two people in love for three years without ever talking about the one night stand they had! That's pretty crazy. Sure, it's not terrorist crazy, but it is exactly normal either.
I've never really thought about it before, but I think you're absolutely right about Fenris not being...sexualized? (Is that even a word...? I'll use it anyway.) In Act 1, he's friendly toward Hawke, and can even be playful during that one flirt, but he's disgusted by the Blooming Rose, rebuffs all of Isabela's advances rather firmly, and seems generally unsexual in all ways. Which makes perfect sense considering what he's run from and what his priorities are. It's not until Act 2, after three years have passed, that he starts to behave like he actually has a libido. Yeah, I can definitely see that. Sort of an evolution of admiration/friendship or respect/tension in the beginning turning into a physical attraction/desire.sadclown wrote...
Helen0rz wrote...
Anders is a "passionate" man. He almost seemed...deprived of love or something. His is raw, straight up passion, he's hungry for things he thought he can no longer have. To me it feels as though he's so on edge, he'd do anything to feel happy, normal, or sane. It's kinda sad, because he DOES say everything you would want to hear a lover, but...when it comes down to it...it's kinda all talk. Like Sebastian said, he's dangerous, and he's selfish; he would never place Hawke above his needs. He's way too conflicted as a person, or as a...er...hero or some sort. It's great in the beginning, and it sucked at the end.
I wouldn't say Fenris did not think about Hawke in compromising positions, I think to an extent he does, but I don't think it was anything like Anders. I'm sure he wanted her, but not crazy lust, you know? Fenris romance, to me, feels more grounded and less crazy. Anders was too intense, too 'all over the place' and it's just all too much. Fenris...much more calming and I can deal with that. There's passion too, but not something that'll burn you up and inside out till there's nothing left
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See, I just can't imagine Fenris sitting around imagining sexual encounters. And trust me, I'd like to.
The Fenris romance certainly feels less crazy, but I don't really know why. In a lot of ways, it is just as crazy. I mean, two people in love for three years without ever talking about the one night stand they had! That's pretty crazy. Sure, it's not terrorist crazy, but it is exactly normal either.
sadclown wrote...
See, I just can't imagine Fenris sitting around imagining sexual encounters. And trust me, I'd like to.
The Fenris romance certainly feels less crazy, but I don't really know why. In a lot of ways, it is just as crazy. I mean, two people in love for three years without ever talking about the one night stand they had! That's pretty crazy. Sure, it's not terrorist crazy, but it is exactly normal either.
Avilia wrote...
What Helen0rz says about Anders' feelings - if I'm not misinterpreting - its almost as if he's convinced himself that he will be in love because it might be his only chance at it. And that's enough. Anything deeper would interfere with his grand plan.
Aeryn-Sun wrote...
I've never really thought about it before, but I think you're absolutely right about Fenris not being...sexualized? (Is that even a word...? I'll use it anyway.) In Act 1, he's friendly toward Hawke, and can even be playful during that one flirt, but he's disgusted by the Blooming Rose, rebuffs all of Isabela's advances rather firmly, and seems generally unsexual in all ways. Which makes perfect sense considering what he's run from and what his priorities are. It's not until Act 2, after three years have passed, that he starts to behave like he actually has a libido. Yeah, I can definitely see that. Sort of an evolution of admiration/friendship or respect/tension in the beginning turning into a physical attraction/desire.
Oh, the plot bunnies... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]
Yes. ~_~ It was groan-worthy. That whole encounter with King Alistair reeked of cheese. And not the good kind.SurrealSadi wrote...
To change the subject, albeit briefly..
Did anyone notice that Alistair, if you ask the right questions, actually says 'Swooping is bad' in DA2?
Modifié par Aeryn-Sun, 08 avril 2011 - 02:59 .
I thought it was amusing.Aeryn-Sun wrote...
He doesn't have any good sexual experiences to draw upon (if he has any at all), so what would his fantasies include? The more I think about it, the less likely it seems to me that he has any sexual appetite at all in that first act. To each their own, of course! :3 I kind of adore the idea of him being drawn to Hawke for other reasons primarily.Yes. ~_~ It was groan-worthy. That whole encounter with King Alistair reeked of cheese. And not the good kind.SurrealSadi wrote...
To change the subject, albeit briefly..
Did anyone notice that Alistair, if you ask the right questions, actually says 'Swooping is bad' in DA2?
Aeryn-Sun wrote...
I've never really thought about it before, but I think you're absolutely right about Fenris not being...sexualized? (Is that even a word...? I'll use it anyway.) In Act 1, he's friendly toward Hawke, and can even be playful during that one flirt, but he's disgusted by the Blooming Rose, rebuffs all of Isabela's advances rather firmly, and seems generally unsexual in all ways. Which makes perfect sense considering what he's run from and what his priorities are. It's not until Act 2, after three years have passed, that he starts to behave like he actually has a libido. Yeah, I can definitely see that. Sort of an evolution of admiration/friendship or respect/tension in the beginning turning into a physical attraction/desire.
Oh, the plot bunnies...
Modifié par sadclown, 08 avril 2011 - 03:04 .
Aeryn-Sun wrote...
Yes. ~_~ It was groan-worthy. That whole encounter with King Alistair reeked of cheese. And not the good kind.SurrealSadi wrote...
To change the subject, albeit briefly..
Did anyone notice that Alistair, if you ask the right questions, actually says 'Swooping is bad' in DA2?
I liked Zevran and Nate's cameos, but I cannot even force myself to like Alistair's.Dr. Doctor wrote...
Aeryn-Sun wrote...
Yes. ~_~ It was groan-worthy. That whole encounter with King Alistair reeked of cheese. And not the good kind.SurrealSadi wrote...
To change the subject, albeit briefly..
Did anyone notice that Alistair, if you ask the right questions, actually says 'Swooping is bad' in DA2?
I liked it, Alistair turned to the camera, broke through the fourth wall and said "swooping is bad". It was bad in an awesome sense.
My husband's import had him show up as a Warden and I was like OMG HE'S AWESOME AGAIN and jealousy ensued and my bitterness over King Alistair grew even deeper.
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