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[Lady Jess]

If you want your characters to have babies, then you play Sims. See my Warden Kasha and Alistair are working on it...



Otherwise...no babehs for joo!!

[Lady Jess]

grr double post

Modifié par Lady Jess, 09 avril 2011 - 02:47 .

[Tasmen]

Lady Jess wrote...

grr double post

That just means your Sims will be having twins.

[Lady Jess]

Tasmen wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

grr double post

That just means your Sims will be having twins.

Oh sure...curse me!

[ThatDancingTurian]

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

I agree with all this, and I want to add that I have never seen him as being "healed" by Hawke, whether love is involved or not. The healing that occurs in his life is his own. It's not dependent on anyone else, aside from physically backing him up and being a half-decent companion over the years. Unlike Merrill, for example, who comes across to me as incredibly emotionally dependent on Hawke (though I do like her romance quite a lot), Fenris is actively striving to work his demons out on his own. And by the endgame, he's made good progress.

Even though I personally don't run with the notion of baby Fenrises, I think he'd be a fine father. He's protective, he's loyal, he loves Hawke, and these are the kinds of things that are nurtured by parenthood - the negative things can be changed, or can be adapted to family life. I have four kids and it really is life altering, not just on the outside but the inside as well. At least in my case, I'm a completely different person than I was nine years ago. So, Fenis as a good papa isn't all that hard for me to believe.

Agreed. I think ignoring the emotional growth he went through in the game or equating it to Hawke 'healing him with love' does a disservice to his character. Granted, Hawke providing him with emotional support (romanced or not) probably helps, but Fenris did the heavy lifting.

Like I said before, whether or not you can see them with kids depends more on your Hawke than on Fenris. Personally, I can't help but see Hawke not as a paragon of heroism, god amongst mere mortals type (like Shepard), but just a regular man/woman, dedicated to protecting their family, who lost everything s/he cared about to the madness of Kirkwall. My Hawke did everything for the sake of family. Other people see Hawke differently, as the badass meant to lead the mage armies to freedom. To each their own.

I'm fairly sure having kids will never be canon. But canon made Zevran leave my Amell for six years to go Crow-hunting, so canon can shove it.

@Lady Jess: Given that this is a fan thread for one of the romance options complete with all the gushing that goes with that, I'm pretty sure most discussion here is already well into 'why don't you just play the Sims?' territory.

[Tasmen]

Lady Jess wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

grr double post

That just means your Sims will be having twins.

Oh sure...curse me!

Well you know those Theirin men....

[Maera Imrov]

Even if Fenris should not be a father, accidents happen. Sheep intestine condoms are probably laughably iffy forms of birth control, at best. Even ours, with all our tech, can fail.

...not that I'm on the baby bandwagon. I next to never can see any of my characters -in games, or RPs, or anything- as parents.

[Shadow_Soul]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
Like I said before, whether or not you can see them with kids depends more on your Hawke than on Fenris. Personally, I can't help but see Hawke not as a paragon of heroism, god amongst mere mortals type (like Shepard), but just a regular man/woman, dedicated to protecting their family, who lost everything s/he cared about to the madness of Kirkwall. My Hawke did everything for the sake of family. Other people see Hawke differently, as the badass meant to lead the mage armies to freedom. To each their own.

Exactly.
My Hawke, she'd talk to Fenris, see what he thought, she'd like a family, though.
Honsetly, I think he'd make a pretty good parent. It would take time getting used to a kid, sure, but my friends who have kids say it always does.
Oh, I read a fanfic earlier with this topic in mind. I thought it was quite sweet: Link But that's just me.

Also, on another note, I finished the friendmance, I love it so much! I like it better then the rivalry, for sure.

[Dr. Doctor]

On the subject of Fenris as a dad:

Varric: (chuckles)

Fenris: What?

Varric: Remember what I said to you all those years ago? About how if your brooding was any more impressive women would have broody babies in your honor?

Fenris: Our child does not brood.

Varric: Give it a few years, if the kid takes after you at all then you'll be in for a real treat.

Fenris: Why is that?

Varric: (chuckles) Mesere, I suggest that you get used to the phrase "Do as I say not as I do."

[Thrazesul]

Oooho... that was that Anders romance playthrough. And yay, Carver as a Grey warden was so much better. So awesome to have your baby bro back!

Now my next one can again be all about Fenris and bringing Fenris with me everywhere. It's been a bloody test. D:

[ThatDancingTurian]

rofl @ Dr. Doctor. Literal broody babies. Depending on Hawke's class and game choices, Fenris could always blame the brooding on Uncle Carver.

[witchthief]

*giggle* Well, I guess broody babies wouldn't cry as much!

[niamhdannan]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

I agree with all this, and I want to add that I have never seen him as being "healed" by Hawke, whether love is involved or not. The healing that occurs in his life is his own. It's not dependent on anyone else, aside from physically backing him up and being a half-decent companion over the years. Unlike Merrill, for example, who comes across to me as incredibly emotionally dependent on Hawke (though I do like her romance quite a lot), Fenris is actively striving to work his demons out on his own. And by the endgame, he's made good progress.

Even though I personally don't run with the notion of baby Fenrises, I think he'd be a fine father. He's protective, he's loyal, he loves Hawke, and these are the kinds of things that are nurtured by parenthood - the negative things can be changed, or can be adapted to family life. I have four kids and it really is life altering, not just on the outside but the inside as well. At least in my case, I'm a completely different person than I was nine years ago. So, Fenis as a good papa isn't all that hard for me to believe.

Agreed. I think ignoring the emotional growth he went through in the game or equating it to Hawke 'healing him with love' does a disservice to his character. Granted, Hawke providing him with emotional support (romanced or not) probably helps, but Fenris did the heavy lifting.

Like I said before, whether or not you can see them with kids depends more on your Hawke than on Fenris. Personally, I can't help but see Hawke not as a paragon of heroism, god amongst mere mortals type (like Shepard), but just a regular man/woman, dedicated to protecting their family, who lost everything s/he cared about to the madness of Kirkwall. My Hawke did everything for the sake of family. Other people see Hawke differently, as the badass meant to lead the mage armies to freedom. To each their own.

^That and that^

My Queen Cousland was out for revenge and vindication.  My Shep is a mission-focused *itch wtih a bit of a death wish.  My canon Hawke, on the other hand, is family-oriented and absolutely leveled by the deaths of her sister (mage PT), brother (no Anders in Deep Roads), and mother.  Her surrogate family, her friends + Fenris are all that gets her through, and when she and Fenris finally patch things up she's over the moon at the idea of forming a new family with him  - just him, at that point, as he might eventually be with her, post-Varania debacle.  That said, I agree with those who say Hawke/Fenris probably wouldn't plan on kids - I see it being presented to both of them as a fait accompli, it's happened (forgot to take the potion?  Or on the run and without access to necessary ingredients?), but he gradually warms up to the idea.  He'd be the bad cop parent, no doubt, but he'd make up for it by scaring the living daylights out of anyone who crossed/bullied his kid.

Or maybe I'm just in a happy mood since it looks like those numnuts in Congress have finally managed to do their fricking jobs so I won't be furloughed out of mine

[Tashash]

LOL! Dr, how I missed you!

Ok, so the first two playthroughs I friendmanced Fenris, just to get a handle on things and then I did the rivalmance...Whoa! Feisty Elf! But what really threw me was the Blade of Mercy scene - OK, OK, OK! You don't want the sword, I get it! Please don't kill me over it!

On the kids thing...My last playthrough saw my Hawke losing everyone (Bethy-Ogre. Carver-Taint. Mother-Lunatic) and then Fenris getting kidnapped by Grace, so I get the feeling for that particular Hawke that she might be terrified of having children because it feels like everyone she loves gets hurt or dies and she just can't bear the thought of losing anyone else.

Also that Hawke saw Merrill as a little sister, but found that no matter what she did she couldn't turn her off the Path of Disaster she was on - So she's also worried about her effectivness as a mother.

And then theres that fact that Hawke sided with the Mages, so the worlds in utter chaos - not the best enviroment to raise a child in, and the fact that the child is more than likely to have magical talent and right now theres a Mage war brewing/happening.

Modifié par Tashash, 09 avril 2011 - 04:36 .

[vocalemuse]

Tashash wrote...

Ok, so the first two playthroughs I friendmanced Fenris, just to get a handle on things and then I did the rivalmance...Whoa! Feisty Elf! But what really threw me was the Blade of Mercy scene - OK, OK, OK! You don't want the sword, I get it! Please don't kill me over it!

Haha, I felt the same way! Which is funny because my Hawke was a goody-goody, but as a mage she supported mage rights so Fenris was always getting rival points with her. I wished I'd had, "*sulk out of the room like a kicked puppy*" option on the wheel when he lashed out about the Blade of Mercy gift. xD

Modifié par vocalemuse, 09 avril 2011 - 04:32 .

[Aeryn-Sun]

vocalemuse wrote...

Tashash wrote...

Ok, so the first two playthroughs I friendmanced Fenris, just to get a handle on things and then I did the rivalmance...Whoa! Feisty Elf! But what really threw me was the Blade of Mercy scene - OK, OK, OK! You don't want the sword, I get it! Please don't kill me over it!

Haha, I felt the same way! Which is funny because my Hawke was a goody-goody, but as a mage she supported mage rights so Fenris was always getting rival points with her. I wished I'd had, "*sulk out of the room like a kicked puppy*" option on the wheel when he lashed out about the Blade of Mercy gift. xD

I just make him use it anyway and consider that my revenge, but I'd really like a "throw it at his feet and stomp off" option.

[vocalemuse]

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

vocalemuse wrote...

Tashash wrote...

Ok, so the first two playthroughs I friendmanced Fenris, just to get a handle on things and then I did the rivalmance...Whoa! Feisty Elf! But what really threw me was the Blade of Mercy scene - OK, OK, OK! You don't want the sword, I get it! Please don't kill me over it!

Haha, I felt the same way! Which is funny because my Hawke was a goody-goody, but as a mage she supported mage rights so Fenris was always getting rival points with her. I wished I'd had, "*sulk out of the room like a kicked puppy*" option on the wheel when he lashed out about the Blade of Mercy gift. xD

I just make him use it anyway and consider that my revenge, but I'd really like a "throw it at his feet and stomp off" option.

Ahahaha, that one too. xD 

Or a, "I went to the trouble of looking through sacks in the Alienage at NIGHT for this -- you're using it, mister!" option.

Modifié par vocalemuse, 09 avril 2011 - 04:39 .

[Tashash]

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

vocalemuse wrote...

Tashash wrote...

Ok, so the first two playthroughs I friendmanced Fenris, just to get a handle on things and then I did the rivalmance...Whoa! Feisty Elf! But what really threw me was the Blade of Mercy scene - OK, OK, OK! You don't want the sword, I get it! Please don't kill me over it!

Haha, I felt the same way! Which is funny because my Hawke was a goody-goody, but as a mage she supported mage rights so Fenris was always getting rival points with her. I wished I'd had, "*sulk out of the room like a kicked puppy*" option on the wheel when he lashed out about the Blade of Mercy gift. xD

I just make him use it anyway and consider that my revenge, but I'd really like a "throw it at his feet and stomp off" option.

I was just shocked A) Because before he'd always accepted it in friendmance, and  Because at that point we were back together and it was just *SNARL!!!*. I would have like the option to talk him down about it, like with Aveline and the Sheild of the Knight Herself gift.

I understood him getting upset about the Book of Shartan gift, but that? Geeze Broody!

Modifié par Tashash, 09 avril 2011 - 04:42 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

He even said the sword was worth a whole lot, didn't he? Couldn't he at least have appreciated it because of that? Then again, Fenris has never been one to be impressed by opulence. Still, with him and Aveline my Hawke was feeling like the absolute worst gift-giver ever. :<

[vocalemuse]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

He even said the sword was worth a whole lot, didn't he? Couldn't he at least have appreciated it because of that? Then again, Fenris has never been one to be impressed by opulence. Still, with him and Aveline my Hawke was feeling like the absolute worst gift-giver ever. :<

LOL, I know! Mine too. xD Although at least with Aveline she was okay with it in the end and thanked my Hawke since she appreciated that the gift was given to her out of thoughtfulness, but as Tash said by this point with Fenris they had just gotten back together and then he takes her head off verbally for giving him a gift. x_x

[Tashash]

vocalemuse wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

He even said the sword was worth a whole lot, didn't he? Couldn't he at least have appreciated it because of that? Then again, Fenris has never been one to be impressed by opulence. Still, with him and Aveline my Hawke was feeling like the absolute worst gift-giver ever. :<

LOL, I know! Mine too. xD Although at least with Aveline she was okay with it in the end and thanked my Hawke since she appreciated that the gift was given to her out of thoughtfulness, but as Tash said by this point with Fenris they had just gotten back together and then he takes her head off verbally for giving him a gift. x_x

Heh, ripped my heart right outta my chest  And he didn't even have to go glowy to do it!

[tankgirly]

And this one

Shamelessly reposting my own artwork.

[Addai]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

He even said the sword was worth a whole lot, didn't he? Couldn't he at least have appreciated it because of that? Then again, Fenris has never been one to be impressed by opulence. Still, with him and Aveline my Hawke was feeling like the absolute worst gift-giver ever. :<

Yeah that's rough, but since I was playing sarcastic Hawke it fit with her usual lack of tact and taste.

[Esbatty]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

On the subject of Fenris as a dad:

Varric: (chuckles)

Fenris: What?

Varric: Remember what I said to you all those years ago? About how if your brooding was any more impressive women would have broody babies in your honor?

Fenris: Our child does not brood.

Varric: Give it a few years, if the kid takes after you at all then you'll be in for a real treat.

Fenris: Why is that?

Varric: (chuckles) Mesere, I suggest that you get used to the phrase "Do as I say not as I do."

Elven Woman: Excuse me, serah, but your little girl hit my charge in the chest... repeatedly.

Hawke: Oh, I- I am sorry about that, she is a bit rambunctious. I find children get carried away easily in their play.

Elven Woman: She kept screaming that he was a mage and she was going put her fist through him.

Hawke: Heh heh... heh. Yeah, she- she has quite the imagination.

Elven Woman: Where does she learn something like that?

Hawke: Yes. I wonder that myself sometimes.

[Helen0rz]

Tealsie wrote...
I think that would earn you an automatic "TOTALLY NOT ASKING FOR YOUR HELP IN 'LAST STRAW' EVEN IF YOU ARE CHAMPION"
Poor Orsino cannot unsee... and he'll hate you for it.
...I would probably send Seb some of Isabela's friend fiction.  because I know he's curious.

meh, he's going to turn into an abomination anyways.