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[Fault Girl]

Esbatty wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

On the subject of Fenris as a dad:

Varric: (chuckles)

Fenris: What?

Varric: Remember what I said to you all those years ago? About how if your brooding was any more impressive women would have broody babies in your honor?

Fenris: Our child does not brood.

Varric: Give it a few years, if the kid takes after you at all then you'll be in for a real treat.

Fenris: Why is that?

Varric: (chuckles) Mesere, I suggest that you get used to the phrase "Do as I say not as I do."

Elven Woman: Excuse me, serah, but your little girl hit my charge in the chest... repeatedly.

Hawke: Oh, I- I am sorry about that, she is a bit rambunctious. I find children get carried away easily in their play.

Elven Woman: She kept screaming that he was a mage and she was going put her fist through him.

Hawke: Heh heh... heh. Yeah, she- she has quite the imagination.

Elven Woman: Where does she learn something like that?

Hawke: Yes. I wonder that myself sometimes.

Kids can be so funny sometimes
Would love that the kid would do that.

"That's whay my daddy does" stands and broods

I couldn't see kids every working in game but in my head, well thats a different story

My imaginationland is endless

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 09 avril 2011 - 06:23 .

[Coraline989]

Just an off-topic question, does Fenris give you heck for being a blood mage? I kinda want to be one, but I don't want him calling me a "weak mage" like he calls Merril.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Coraline989 wrote...

Just an off-topic question, does Fenris give you heck for being a blood mage? I kinda want to be one, but I don't want him calling me a "weak mage" like he calls Merril.

Nope, everyone and everything in-game ignores the option to be a blood mage. I would assume that makes it not really canon and purely game mechanics. I have also heard someone say Carver will even state that Hawke is not a blood mage regardless of whether or not Hawke has the blood mage spec.

[Tanathir]

Pfft, Orsino already knows what Meredith looks like naked.  Belligerent sexual tension, yo.

As for Papa!Fenris, I think if it happens it would be accidental but Fenris would rise to the challenge.  He would take responsibility for his part and try his best.  Also, who is to say that Hawke isn't infertile after all the battles she's been through?  I can't really picture them planning out to have a family, but I can picture them accepting and trying to make the best of it if an oops happens.

[elenilote]

LOL Tana - you and Orsino... you go girl!

But (on topic) as was somewhere further up mentioned - and yes, I am lazy for not looking it up again, but what are you gonna do about it? - Fen has all the qualities of a good father-figure - but as I play M!Hawke with Fenris they are not gonna have broody babies together

[Coraline989]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Coraline989 wrote...

Just an off-topic question, does Fenris give you heck for being a blood mage? I kinda want to be one, but I don't want him calling me a "weak mage" like he calls Merril.

Nope, everyone and everything in-game ignores the option to be a blood mage. I would assume that makes it not really canon and purely game mechanics. I have also heard someone say Carver will even state that Hawke is not a blood mage regardless of whether or not Hawke has the blood mage spec.

Ok, thanks! I'm really glad that they took that out. I don't have the warden card like I did in origins.

[KakashiMorph]

Helen0rz said:
I picture my Hawke doing this:
send an email, titled: I lol'd
Fenris open email, there's a link
the link would be either: dirty pics with their face photoshop on to it or Fenris gets rickrolled

So, for you I made this: 

Hope you like, I certainly had fun making it heheh.

[Rheia]

It's pretty darn pathetic that I don't take the blood mage spec in DAII because of the companion's damned convictions .

It was same in origins, though. The quest to get the spec left a bad taste in my mouth and it just felt cheap to just use it after it was unlocked. That said, I did have one Amell blood mage, with a mod that lets Wynne bring up the matter if you used blood spells to the First Enchanter after the battle. Ooh, I especially hated her that run... and it was so satisfying to snark at her that my mage did jsut save the day and attribute spells to Grey Warden knowledge .

Modifié par Rheia, 09 avril 2011 - 08:26 .

[namedforthemoon]

tankgirly wrote...

*snip picture*

And this one

Shamelessly reposting my own artwork.

Whoaaaa at the second one. Whooaaaa.... That's hot.

[Lioba]

KakashiMorph wrote...

Helen0rz said:
I picture my Hawke doing this:
send an email, titled: I lol'd
Fenris open email, there's a link
the link would be either: dirty pics with their face photoshop on to it or Fenris gets rickrolled

So, for you I made this: 

Hope you like, I certainly had fun making it heheh.

OMG ^^

[tankgirly]

namedforthemoon wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

*snip picture*

And this one

Shamelessly reposting my own artwork.

Whoaaaa at the second one. Whooaaaa.... That's hot.

Thank you.

[elenilote]

Lioba wrote...

KakashiMorph wrote...

Helen0rz said:
I picture my Hawke doing this:
send an email, titled: I lol'd
Fenris open email, there's a link
the link would be either: dirty pics with their face photoshop on to it or Fenris gets rickrolled

So, for you I made this: 

Hope you like, I certainly had fun making it heheh.

OMG ^^

OHMG ^^ 

[KakashiMorph]

XD Well, we all saw it coming! Fenris didn't though ( he is too internet-naive for his own good...).

[Yellopranda]

Fenris discussion thread, seems like the right place to ask, unless this is reserved for gushing and squeeing

What's the appeal of Fenris? Not trying to antagonize anyone here, i just really don't see it. He's the kind of good-looking, dark, brooding anti-hero with a troubled past that i feel like i've seen a hundred times before. Wanted to use him in my second playthrough because of his two-handed skillz, but had to switch him with Aveline because he was so utterly boring, predictable and cliched.
Not trying to offend your object of adoration here, just being honest.

Anyway, i'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Am i missing something? Something that will make me see him in a new light? Do i have to be female to get it maybe? I really wanna know because he seems really popular, at least judging from the number of posts and views on this thread.

[Twofold Black]

Yellopranda wrote...

What's the appeal of Fenris?

Personhood, self-erasure and "what do I do with myself now?" stories push my narrative buttons, and I enjoy his voice. And no, it's not something you have to be female to get. It is probably something you have to be inherently interested in Fenris to understand, though. "Why do you like this thing you like that I am going to tell you right up front I think is totally boring and trite? No offense or anything" discussions in fan spaces on the internet usually just end in a lot of defensive, irritable fans and the person who asked not being significantly more enlightened than they were before. People like things you don't because they're different from you. It's as simple as that.

Anyway, the size of this thread isn't strictly a function of Fenris' popularity. He's controversial in ways that are much more subjective, outcome-dependent and open to interpretation than the ways in which, say, Anders is controversial; if you go back a few pages you'll see a lot of debates. His visual design also attracts a lot of artistic attention (tattoos are fun to draw).

[ejoslin]

Yellopranda wrote...

Fenris discussion thread, seems like the right place to ask, unless this is reserved for gushing and squeeing

What's the appeal of Fenris? Not trying to antagonize anyone here, i just really don't see it. He's the kind of good-looking, dark, brooding anti-hero with a troubled past that i feel like i've seen a hundred times before. Wanted to use him in my second playthrough because of his two-handed skillz, but had to switch him with Aveline because he was so utterly boring, predictable and cliched.
Not trying to offend your object of adoration here, just being honest.

Anyway, i'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Am i missing something? Something that will make me see him in a new light? Do i have to be female to get it maybe? I really wanna know because he seems really popular, at least judging from the number of posts and views on this thread.

You're missing his romance dialog I suppose.  Though it actually is a very rocky relationship, if you stick it out, you can see he is the sweetest, most loyal lover.  The loyalty actually shows during the rocky part of the relationship, when he shows his devotion in other ways.  His voice actor is incredible as well, and there are some looks that he gives late in the relationship which are nothing short of amazing.

There's always the rewarding feeling, I suppose, of breaking through that anger and seeing the gentle, loving man underneath.  The romance itself is not really cliche, he's not fixed by love.

Plus there's wallsex.  That helps a lot.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 avril 2011 - 12:59 .

[Yellopranda]

Twofold Black wrote...

 "Why do you like this thing you like that I am going to tell you right up front I think is totally boring and trite? No offense or anything" discussions in fan spaces on the internet usually just end in a lot of defensive, irritable fans and the person who asked not being significantly more enlightened than they were before. People like things you don't because they're different from you. It's as simple as that.

Yeah, i guess i kinda set the mood and made it less likely that i get the responses that i'm looking for. Anyway, if i'm reading you right you think i should just consign myself to never being able to understand the appeal of Fenris? (He has a cool name though, could be i think that because i'm norwegian and Fenris is the name of the giant wolf who is the son of the norse god Loke or Loki as he's called in english)

[Twofold Black]

ejoslin wrote...

Plus there's wallsex.  That helps a lot.

Oh right, I forgot to mention he's hot like fire. I guess at least being attracted to men does help.

Yellopranda wrote...

Yeah, i guess i kinda set the mood and made it less likely that i get the responses that i'm looking for. Anyway, if i'm reading you right you think i should just consign myself to never being able to understand the appeal of Fenris? (He has a cool name though, could be i think that because i'm norwegian and Fenris is the name of the giant wolf who is the son of the norse god Loke or Loki as he's called in english)

I don't think it's impossible or that you should necessarily give up, but I think it's unlikely. Think of a food you hate. If I liked it, and I explained to you in glowing terms why I like it, would that change your opinion? No, to you it's still going to taste like fried ass. When it comes to subjective enjoyment of a completely optional character in a video game, it's more sensible to live and let live.

I've learned to live with it, but it actually drives me nuts that they named him Fenris, in much the same way it drove me nuts that Morrigan was named Morrigan. I can't stand it when fantasyland characters are named for prominent mythological figures that don't appear in-universe or have any cultural bearing on the setting. Fenris actually means something completely different in Dalish than it does in Old Norse. It distracts the hell out of me.

Modifié par Twofold Black, 09 avril 2011 - 01:06 .

[Heidenreich]

Yellopranda wrote...

Fenris discussion thread, seems like the right place to ask, unless this is reserved for gushing and squeeing

What's the appeal of Fenris? Not trying to antagonize anyone here, i just really don't see it. He's the kind of good-looking, dark, brooding anti-hero with a troubled past that i feel like i've seen a hundred times before. Wanted to use him in my second playthrough because of his two-handed skillz, but had to switch him with Aveline because he was so utterly boring, predictable and cliched.
Not trying to offend your object of adoration here, just being honest.

Anyway, i'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Am i missing something? Something that will make me see him in a new light? Do i have to be female to get it maybe? I really wanna know because he seems really popular, at least judging from the number of posts and views on this thread.

For starters, this thread is pretty old. I believe it started right after they gave him a name. Thus the excessivly huge post count :innocent:.

That being said, Fernis has a depth that goes beyond the obvious. In fact, I really dislike his looks in comparison to Anders. He needs a haircut. *angry fist shake*. Or at the very least, a better one. But, you asked why we love him. Fenris is broken, but fixable. He's funny (if dry, which I prefer a dry sence of humor personally.), and observant, and quick. He reminds me a bit of Shrek actually. Stuff keeps happening to him that he can't control, and he just wants to be left ALONE, but for some reason no one manages to understand that.

So, instead of getting angry and killing everyone (like he rightfully should) he just lets it roll of his back and keeps going. In doing this, he slowly comes to terms that these irritating do-gooders are worth his time, and learns what its like to have friends. Outside of the romance quality of the character, the sheer bro-mance potential of Fenris is staggering. He can be on par with varric with sheer awesome bro-mance capabilities. I mean, who doesn't like having a drinking buddy?

He's very well written, with so many dementions that can't be experienced simply by slapping a lable on im and calling it a day. He's not just "anti-mage", he's "learning how to be free" and "finding his own way" and "finding strength in the friendship of a mage he didn't think possible" and.. I could go on forever. Again, he a fixable broken, because as he learns what its like to be a free man, he gains so much more potential as a personality. He builds opinions and ..

I'm falling into my fan-girldom... Never-the-less, give the guy a chance! you might be supprised.

[sushismygen]

Yellopranda wrote...

Fenris discussion thread, seems like the right place to ask, unless this is reserved for gushing and squeeing

What's the appeal of Fenris? Not trying to antagonize anyone here, i just really don't see it. He's the kind of good-looking, dark, brooding anti-hero with a troubled past that i feel like i've seen a hundred times before. Wanted to use him in my second playthrough because of his two-handed skillz, but had to switch him with Aveline because he was so utterly boring, predictable and cliched.
Not trying to offend your object of adoration here, just being honest.

Anyway, i'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Am i missing something? Something that will make me see him in a new light? Do i have to be female to get it maybe? I really wanna know because he seems really popular, at least judging from the number of posts and views on this thread.

Well, in my opinion all of the companions have their even share of psycho/emo/crazy going on and they're all damaged in their own way but from all of them I think Fenris and Isabela are the ones that evolve the most during the game and in the positive direction. When you first meet Fenris he's like a fireball full of hate and general distrust to people but if you care to take your time to talk to him, he opens up and you might discover that there is more to the guy then good looks. He's brooding all right but even this change a little as the time passes. If you help him face the demons of his past he eventually comes to realization that the path he was following led him only to selfdistruction and he is willing to put all that behind and start a new, better life. He is quite intelligent as well. There are so many interesting stories he can tell if taken along to some quests, parts of the city...he knows the Qun, impresses the hell out of Arishok. (and anyone around for that matter Fenris vs. Arishok is "must do" at least on one playthrugh!) He will stand beside you no matter what in the end of the game even if you side with mages (must have his rival/friend meter full though, not like some apostate mage whos name I shall not even mention who blows up chantry and still will try to kill you even if you let him go but side with the templars) He has some hilarious banters with pretty much all of the companions, so can't really imagine how can he be boring. Makes quite good tank as well if speced right. The truth is, that nothing anyone of us here will say can really make your mind unless you try to give him a chance. I drag him along almost everywhere, except of couple of quests in order to max the approval bar faster, but then again I wouldn't be here if I didn't

[Hekateras]

I lol'ed. XD



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Modifié par Hekateras, 09 avril 2011 - 01:20 .

[Yellopranda]

ejoslin wrote...

You're missing his romance dialog I suppose.

His voice actor is incredible as well.

Plus there's wallsex.  That helps a lot.

Tried to get the romance, asked him to stay the night,  but he wasn't willing. I suspect he reacted to me taking the elven girl during his personal quest as a slave. I told him: "slaves are useful" . Either that or it was because i had sex with Isabela earlier in the game.

I will agree that his voice is pleasant.

I have nothing against wallsex, quite the opposite in fact. Though because of certain preferences there's usually a girl involved. Call me traditional if you want

[ejoslin]

Yellopranda wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

You're missing his romance dialog I suppose.

His voice actor is incredible as well.

Plus there's wallsex.  That helps a lot.

Tried to get the romance, asked him to stay the night,  but he wasn't willing. I suspect he reacted to me taking the elven girl during his personal quest as a slave. I told him: "slaves are useful" . Either that or it was because i had sex with Isabela earlier in the game.

I will agree that his voice is pleasant.

I have nothing against wallsex, quite the opposite in fact. Though because of certain preferences there's usually a girl involved. Call me traditional if you want

Fenris' romance requires that you not be involved with anyone else or else he does turn Hawke down (the slaves comment shoudn't make a difference).  He's a bit fickle that way -- if you're not serious, he's not getting involved.  

Fenris is bisexual, btw, so Hawke can be either gender.  If you really are bothered by two men having sex, play a female Hawke while doing his romance.  His romance is very similar for both males and females.  They're just enough different that the romance for both genders seem incredibly real.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 avril 2011 - 01:19 .

[saresy]

Hekateras wrote...

I lol'ed. XD
*snip*

I love the reference to Aimo's 'Stone Temptress'.

[edit] Decided to stop lurking and finally post.

Modifié par saresy, 09 avril 2011 - 01:23 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Yellopranda wrote...

Fenris discussion thread, seems like the right place to ask, unless this is reserved for gushing and squeeing

What's the appeal of Fenris? Not trying to antagonize anyone here, i just really don't see it. He's the kind of good-looking, dark, brooding anti-hero with a troubled past that i feel like i've seen a hundred times before. Wanted to use him in my second playthrough because of his two-handed skillz, but had to switch him with Aveline because he was so utterly boring, predictable and cliched.
Not trying to offend your object of adoration here, just being honest.

Anyway, i'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Am i missing something? Something that will make me see him in a new light? Do i have to be female to get it maybe? I really wanna know because he seems really popular, at least judging from the number of posts and views on this thread.

Well personally, I like him because he's not what I expected. When I saw 'elf with a tragic past' I expected a soft-spoken Legolas with some Edward Cullen thrown in. I thought his backstory was a Wolverine rip-off and he'd run purely on 'cool points', all flash and no substance. I thought I had him figured out.

When I actually played the game, I was pleasantly surprised to find I'd completely forgotten about all of those preconcieved notions I'd conjured up. I let myself be open-minded and I found him incredibly entertaining. I liked that he was (IMO) fairly masculine in spite of being an elf, yet for all of the 'animal' comparisons I thought he steered away from that brutish quality he easily could have taken on given his background. Instead he managed to express himself eloquently and seemed fairly cordial.

I like the fact that he's honest, he'll tell you what he thinks and doesn't usually bother with pointless small talk or niceties. That honesty is a double-edged sword, it may make him seem rude or callous at times but at others it shows his maturity, because he's honest with himself, he doesn't let his pride keep him from admitting his mistakes and he is very open about discussing his issues (which some who dislike him consider a minus... but I don't).

Also for his complicated and outlandish backstory, he felt very realistic to me. I thought he expressed himself like someone in those situations would and I never felt he was saying anything simply 'because it sounds cool'.

I think it boils down to the fact that he doesn't take any particular characteristic to the extreme. His character may employ several stereotypes (the living weapon, the broody love interest, the amnesiac, the super powers), but I think he manages to pull them off with moderation. I never felt like he was beating me over the head with anything or screamed 'THIS IS MY DEFINING TRAIT!'

I really don't know that I can explain it in a concise way, he just clicks for me. It's a bunch of little things that knit together without overpowering or contradicting each other to create the whole.

As for me, I just don't understand people that don't like him. But considering their reasons primarily seem to be 'he hates mages' and 'he looks too anime', I don't think they're really digging deep enough. I applaud you for at least attempting to understand, even if you still end up not liking him.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 09 avril 2011 - 01:24 .