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[Hekateras]

Fenris's arc really is heartwarming and touching if you let yourself get emotionally invested in him. He's three-dimensional and everything he does and says eventually makes perfect sense after you get to know him well enough and he's *realistic* more than many of the other characters. Fanatics like Anders are pretty rare, but someone who's been abused too much to trust others? Easy to picture.

I think it DOES somewhat help it if you're female, though, in terms of maternal instinct. He's just so broken and spiky and vulnerable underneath, like a lost puppy whose only contact with others has been kicks and beatings and who'll snap if you try to stroke him. I'd put some thick gloves on for the start, but I'd be immensely tempted to bring him home with me and nurse him back to emotional healtth.

Aris Ravenstar put it better than I could ever hope to, though.

Modifié par Hekateras, 09 avril 2011 - 01:26 .

[MelRedux]

tankgirly wrote...



And this one

Shamelessly reposting my own artwork.

*hugs Tank* I know I've said it before, but I seriously love this piece  I get the feeling that if anyone looks their way they quickly pull apart and look around and whistle..hehe

And while we're on the topic of shamelessly posting our own artwork :

[Thiefy]

Yellopranda wrote...

Fenris discussion thread, seems like the right place to ask, unless this is reserved for gushing and squeeing

What's the appeal of Fenris? Not trying to antagonize anyone here, i just really don't see it. He's the kind of good-looking, dark, brooding anti-hero with a troubled past that i feel like i've seen a hundred times before. Wanted to use him in my second playthrough because of his two-handed skillz, but had to switch him with Aveline because he was so utterly boring, predictable and cliched.
Not trying to offend your object of adoration here, just being honest.

Anyway, i'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Am i missing something? Something that will make me see him in a new light? Do i have to be female to get it maybe? I really wanna know because he seems really popular, at least judging from the number of posts and views on this thread.

he's like Sten. there's a rough and stern personality that encompasses most of him, but he's also a big softie in some personal moments. well at least on the friendship path.

...and he has a decent sense of humor too.

[ejoslin]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Yellopranda wrote...

Fenris discussion thread, seems like the right place to ask, unless this is reserved for gushing and squeeing

What's the appeal of Fenris? Not trying to antagonize anyone here, i just really don't see it. He's the kind of good-looking, dark, brooding anti-hero with a troubled past that i feel like i've seen a hundred times before. Wanted to use him in my second playthrough because of his two-handed skillz, but had to switch him with Aveline because he was so utterly boring, predictable and cliched.
Not trying to offend your object of adoration here, just being honest.

Anyway, i'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Am i missing something? Something that will make me see him in a new light? Do i have to be female to get it maybe? I really wanna know because he seems really popular, at least judging from the number of posts and views on this thread.

he's like Sten. there's a rough and stern personality that encompasses most of him, but he's also a big softie in some personal moments. well at least on the friendship path.

...and he has a decent sense of humor too.

He has his tender moments on the rivalry path as well.  There are fewer of them, but they definitely are there.

[Thiefy]

ejoslin wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Yellopranda wrote...

Fenris discussion thread, seems like the right place to ask, unless this is reserved for gushing and squeeing

What's the appeal of Fenris? Not trying to antagonize anyone here, i just really don't see it. He's the kind of good-looking, dark, brooding anti-hero with a troubled past that i feel like i've seen a hundred times before. Wanted to use him in my second playthrough because of his two-handed skillz, but had to switch him with Aveline because he was so utterly boring, predictable and cliched.
Not trying to offend your object of adoration here, just being honest.

Anyway, i'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Am i missing something? Something that will make me see him in a new light? Do i have to be female to get it maybe? I really wanna know because he seems really popular, at least judging from the number of posts and views on this thread.

he's like Sten. there's a rough and stern personality that encompasses most of him, but he's also a big softie in some personal moments. well at least on the friendship path.

...and he has a decent sense of humor too.

He has his tender moments on the rivalry path as well.  There are fewer of them, but they definitely are there.

that's good to know. i havent finished my rivalry path PTs yet so i wasnt sure

[Ambeth]

And, on top of all that, he's incredibly intelligent.  I mean, how many languages does he speak?  And he knows an aweful lot about the Qun.  But he never learned to READ.  Until I learned that, I just assumed he read a lot.  


Intelligent is sooooo sexy to me.

[Hekateras]

Amazing Fen work here... O.O

[Thrazesul]

So anyone notice how Fenris tells Anders no, if you give the sarcastic reply to Orisino about "should I slit my wrists and dance naked under the moonlight" comment. A friend of mine had her romanced Fenris tell Anders no when he said he'd pay to see that.

In my Anders romance playthrough, Fenris didn't say anything. xD

Theehe... the simple things.

[elenilote]

Yellopranda wrote...

Fenris discussion thread, seems like the right place to ask, unless this is reserved for gushing and squeeing

What's the appeal of Fenris? Not trying to antagonize anyone here, i just really don't see it. He's the kind of good-looking, dark, brooding anti-hero with a troubled past that i feel like i've seen a hundred times before. Wanted to use him in my second playthrough because of his two-handed skillz, but had to switch him with Aveline because he was so utterly boring, predictable and cliched.
Not trying to offend your object of adoration here, just being honest.

Anyway, i'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Am i missing something? Something that will make me see him in a new light? Do i have to be female to get it maybe? I really wanna know because he seems really popular, at least judging from the number of posts and views on this thread.

Well you don't have to be female to appreciate and understand Fenris - there are a lot of guys who find him fascinating as well. 
If you build him up well, he's an impressive two-handed damage dealer, he does not have the constitution that Aveline does but he does more damage with the right weapon and attributes.

But also he has a truly remarkable story arc. He is an ex-slave, in the beginning he is incredibly bitter and resented, but we see him grow up to question the belief system imposed on him and develop into a person with real choices and the decisions he makes are credible. 
Compared to Anders as an example - no matter what you do, he will go BOOM on the Chantry; you only have an illusion of influencing his opinion on things.

Of course, for many players the real charm of Fenris is his vulnerability as a romancable character - you learn a lot about his past and his traits become more pronounced as a romanced character.

It's up to you of course, we could tell you everything about the guy but you need to let yourself like him when you play.

And yes, this is probably the only character-driven thread on the forum where you can ask this question and not get eaten alive - we are a tolerant bunch.

XD

[Yellopranda]

sushismygen wrote...

If you help him face the demons of his past he eventually comes to realization that the path he was following led him only to selfdistruction and he is willing to put all that behind and start a new, better life.

The truth is, that nothing anyone of us here will say can really make your mind unless you try to give him a chance.

I think a problem might have been that i played a very aggressive character. In our discussions i mostly told him to stop whining, put him down a lot and advised him to kill his enemies and go on as before. He mostly just rolled over, took my abuse and stayed the same. Not like Isabela who told me to my face what an a** i was (which of course made me like her more), or Merrill who comes to the realization that, in her words: "so you want me to fight with you more".

I was planning on playing more of a good guy next time (just need to finish DAO again so i can import to DA2, where i'm romancing Alistair as a female warden btw). I may see a different Fenris then.

You're probably right that i need to make up my own mind and that no one
can do that for me, but someone may inspire me to try to see Fenris
anew. I wouldn't have posted here in the first place if there was no possibility of changing my mind. What would be the point of posting then?

[aliastasia]

@Yellopranda - hei på deg. Håper det er fint vårvær hos deg også :-)

He's tailored to the game, you get enough to sink your teeth in a little, and then you get more involved as the story unfolds. And as he's the choice between an... entusiastically radicalised abomination and a chaste guy with a shiny accent, Fenris probably is the most viable in-game LI.
And his one liners when you do get them on the friendly path are funny.

I'm in two minds where the whole romance thing is concerned - I do miss the more expansive options from DA:O - but the minimalistic approach (and thank you whoever for NOT letting us have badly rigged and animated secks-scenes) seems to let the players get more involved, as it opens for more speculation and questions, which can be fun too.

As for broody antiheroes: We love what we would never want IRL. Gaider said that too, somewhere.

feeling a little like a mage in a glass house with a fireball on that last one...

/A

[saresy]

Nerana wrote...

So anyone notice how Fenris tells Anders no, if you give the sarcastic reply to Orisino about "should I slit my wrists and dance naked under the moonlight" comment. A friend of mine had her romanced Fenris tell Anders no when he said he'd pay to see that.

In my Anders romance playthrough, Fenris didn't say anything. xD

Theehe... the simple things.

Is it an Arishok-ish 'No.'?

That would be awesome

[UrsulaCousland]

Hekateras wrote...

Fenris's arc really is heartwarming and touching if you let yourself get emotionally invested in him. He's three-dimensional and everything he does and says eventually makes perfect sense after you get to know him well enough and he's *realistic* more than many of the other characters. Fanatics like Anders are pretty rare, but someone who's been abused too much to trust others? Easy to picture.

I think it DOES somewhat help it if you're female, though, in terms of maternal instinct. He's just so broken and spiky and vulnerable underneath, like a lost puppy whose only contact with others has been kicks and beatings and who'll snap if you try to stroke him. I'd put some thick gloves on for the start, but I'd be immensely tempted to bring him home with me and nurse him back to emotional healtth.

Aris Ravenstar put it better than I could ever hope to, though.

Indeed. I was prepared to not like Fenris - and I'm glad I got past that. There's a whole lot more to the character than the broody/angsty vibe he (and his section of the DA page) give off.  Romanced or not, he seems to me to be perhaps the most honest character in the game aside from Aveline. Does that make him sound/act like an ass at times? Sure. But every character in the game can rightfully claim that title (to paraphrase Zev), except possibly Merrill. Hot like fire sure doesn't hurt, either. :whistle:There's a lot more I can go into, but Aris and others have covered it pretty well, so I'll save space.

ETA: The obvious intelligence doesn't hurt either. I was shocked he didn't know how to read, and I can imagine he picks it up quickly enough to be able to handle the letters he mentions in Act 3 perfectly well.

To close, I can also get why he isn't for everyone. I understand *why* Anders has fans - but he just doesn't click for me. I can live with that.

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 09 avril 2011 - 01:53 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Ambeth wrote...

And, on top of all that, he's incredibly intelligent.  I mean, how many languages does he speak?  And he knows an aweful lot about the Qun.  But he never learned to READ.  Until I learned that, I just assumed he read a lot.  


Intelligent is sooooo sexy to me.

At least three. And being able to learn them without ever having learned to read is quite a feat.

I enjoy those little quirks and bits of information that help flesh him out. Him speaking the qunari language and the fact that he couldn't read especially took me by surprise.

[Thiefy]

Love it.

Source

Oddly enough i found it because someone posted this in the Anders thread. And i just reposted it because i'm a big copy cat.

Modifié par Thief-of-Hearts, 09 avril 2011 - 01:54 .

[Thrazesul]

saresy wrote...

Nerana wrote...

So anyone notice how Fenris tells Anders no, if you give the sarcastic reply to Orisino about "should I slit my wrists and dance naked under the moonlight" comment. A friend of mine had her romanced Fenris tell Anders no when he said he'd pay to see that.

In my Anders romance playthrough, Fenris didn't say anything. xD

Theehe... the simple things.

Is it an Arishok-ish 'No.'?

That would be awesome

Have yet to see if it any of my playthroughs. Never sided with mages from start which seems to be required to get Orisino to give you the quest. Or at least be neutral maybe. Ah well, NEW playthrough tallyhoo.

[UrsulaCousland]

aliastasia wrote...

*snip*

I'm in two minds where the whole romance thing is concerned - I do miss the more expansive options from DA:O - but the minimalistic approach (and thank you whoever for NOT letting us have badly rigged and animated secks-scenes) seems to let the players get more involved, as it opens for more speculation and questions, which can be fun too.

As for broody antiheroes: We love what we would never want IRL. Gaider said that too, somewhere.

feeling a little like a mage in a glass house with a fireball on that last one...

/A

Honestly, I think the love scenes in DA2 are *far* sexier (and classier) than the (unmodded) ones of DA:O. I think part of that is so much is left to the imagination - and what you do see, especially with Fenris, is incredibly, suggestively hot. DA:O's just seem...awkward. I skip past them.

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 09 avril 2011 - 02:03 .

[aliastasia]

@UC: Agree - I do a lot of 3D stuff, and the DA:O scenes were, as you said, awkward. I was wondering whether there ws a camp-tramp achievement to be had, so at one time I was at it with Zev, Alistair, and Leliana. The girl on girl scene was made by guys for guys.

And yes - the Fenris stuff is hotter, because it keeps you in the realm of guessing and making it up as you go a little on your own. Much more involving and much more exciting. But I do miss some of the banter and more talk - I did like the fact that  I could set up the gameplauy to be able to click on Alistair in the deep trenches, he'd give me his rose. And stuff like that - I dislike the being tied stuff. (heh)
But then again, I am an open world gamer at heart, so maybe that's why

/A

Modifié par aliastasia, 09 avril 2011 - 02:04 .

[Hekateras]

Yellopranda wrote...
I think a problem might have been that i
played a very aggressive character. In our discussions i mostly told him
to stop whining, put him down a lot and advised him to kill his enemies
and go on as before. He mostly just rolled over, took my abuse and
stayed the same.

I haven't played an aggressive,
antagonistic character like that yet, but I imagine it makes perfect
sense that an ex-slave who admits to having trouble escaping the
slave-mentality and urge to obey would be cowed and roll over when faced
with someone as dominant as bossy as your Hawke.

Ambeth wrote...

And, on top of all that, he's incredibly intelligent.  I mean, how many languages does he speak?  And he knows an aweful lot about the Qun.  But he never learned to READ.  Until I learned that, I just assumed he read a lot.  


Intelligent is sooooo sexy to me.

How many languages DOES he speak, on that note? It's just the Qun and Tevinter and whatever they speak in Kirkwall, right?

Modifié par Hekateras, 09 avril 2011 - 02:07 .

[Thiefy]

Yellopranda wrote...

sushismygen wrote...

If you help him face the demons of his past he eventually comes to realization that the path he was following led him only to selfdistruction and he is willing to put all that behind and start a new, better life.

The truth is, that nothing anyone of us here will say can really make your mind unless you try to give him a chance.

I think a problem might have been that i played a very aggressive character. In our discussions i mostly told him to stop whining, put him down a lot and advised him to kill his enemies and go on as before. He mostly just rolled over, took my abuse and stayed the same. Not like Isabela who told me to my face what an a** i was (which of course made me like her more), or Merrill who comes to the realization that, in her words: "so you want me to fight with you more".

I was planning on playing more of a good guy next time (just need to finish DAO again so i can import to DA2, where i'm romancing Alistair as a female warden btw). I may see a different Fenris then.

You're probably right that i need to make up my own mind and that no one
can do that for me, but someone may inspire me to try to see Fenris
anew. I wouldn't have posted here in the first place if there was no possibility of changing my mind. What would be the point of posting then?

He doesn't argue with you because he knows you are right. There's no point in him whining about his problems, and he really should just man up and fight or move  on. He actually says that much when he speaks with you about Hadrianna and you are diplomatic. If you don't egg him on in that scene he knows for all the whining in the world he could do it would amount to nothing. I think Fenris at that point realizes you are just tyring to look out for him, or at least interprets it that way, even if he disagrees. Personally it makes less sense to me to hang around someone you dont like or wants to argue with you on purpose just for ****s and giggles. But then again I never play a hawke who does that - although Izzy and Merril apparently think that's whatyou do if you go rival with them.

[sushismygen]

Yellopranda wrote...

sushismygen wrote...

If you help him face the demons of his past he eventually comes to realization that the path he was following led him only to selfdistruction and he is willing to put all that behind and start a new, better life.

The truth is, that nothing anyone of us here will say can really make your mind unless you try to give him a chance.

I think a problem might have been that i played a very aggressive character. In our discussions i mostly told him to stop whining, put him down a lot and advised him to kill his enemies and go on as before. He mostly just rolled over, took my abuse and stayed the same. Not like Isabela who told me to my face what an a** i was (which of course made me like her more), or Merrill who comes to the realization that, in her words: "so you want me to fight with you more".

I was planning on playing more of a good guy next time (just need to finish DAO again so i can import to DA2, where i'm romancing Alistair as a female warden btw). I may see a different Fenris then.

You're probably right that i need to make up my own mind and that no one
can do that for me, but someone may inspire me to try to see Fenris
anew. I wouldn't have posted here in the first place if there was no possibility of changing my mind. What would be the point of posting then?

You might want to try sarcastic rout while at it. Diplomatic is a bit too sweet sometimes imo and despite the fair amount of embarrassing and faceplam worthy lines sarcastic Hawke has, it gives you some priceless moments as well and Fenris is actually one of the few people who gets your jokes and laughs along.

[saresy]

Nerana wrote...

Have yet to see if it any of my playthroughs. Never sided with mages from start which seems to be required to get Orisino to give you the quest. Or at least be neutral maybe. Ah well, NEW playthrough tallyhoo.

Tempted to go see if I have a save at that point... Well if I don't, need to make a new one anyway to see Fenris beat up Gascard. These playthroughs seem to be adding up.

[Yellopranda]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Yellopranda wrote...

Fenris discussion thread, seems like the right place to ask, unless this is reserved for gushing and squeeing

What's the appeal of Fenris? Not trying to antagonize anyone here, i just really don't see it. He's the kind of good-looking, dark, brooding anti-hero with a troubled past that i feel like i've seen a hundred times before. Wanted to use him in my second playthrough because of his two-handed skillz, but had to switch him with Aveline because he was so utterly boring, predictable and cliched.
Not trying to offend your object of adoration here, just being honest.

Anyway, i'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Am i missing something? Something that will make me see him in a new light? Do i have to be female to get it maybe? I really wanna know because he seems really popular, at least judging from the number of posts and views on this thread.

Well personally, I like him because he's not what I expected. When I saw 'elf with a tragic past' I expected a soft-spoken Legolas with some Edward Cullen thrown in. I thought his backstory was a Wolverine rip-off and he'd run purely on 'cool points', all flash and no substance. I thought I had him figured out.

When I actually played the game, I was pleasantly surprised to find I'd completely forgotten about all of those preconcieved notions I'd conjured up. I let myself be open-minded and I found him incredibly entertaining. I liked that he was (IMO) fairly masculine in spite of being an elf, yet for all of the 'animal' comparisons I thought he steered away from that brutish quality he easily could have taken on given his background. Instead he managed to express himself eloquently and seemed fairly cordial.

I like the fact that he's honest, he'll tell you what he thinks and doesn't usually bother with pointless small talk or niceties. That honesty is a double-edged sword, it may make him seem rude or callous at times but at others it shows his maturity, because he's honest with himself, he doesn't let his pride keep him from admitting his mistakes and he is very open about discussing his issues (which some who dislike him consider a minus... but I don't).

Also for his complicated and outlandish backstory, he felt very realistic to me. I thought he expressed himself like someone in those situations would and I never felt he was saying anything simply 'because it sounds cool'.

I think it boils down to the fact that he doesn't take any particular characteristic to the extreme. His character may employ several stereotypes (the living weapon, the broody love interest, the amnesiac, the super powers), but I think he manages to pull them off with moderation. I never felt like he was beating me over the head with anything or screamed 'THIS IS MY DEFINING TRAIT!'

I really don't know that I can explain it in a concise way, he just clicks for me. It's a bunch of little things that knit together without overpowering or contradicting each other to create the whole.

As for me, I just don't understand people that don't like him. But considering their reasons primarily seem to be 'he hates mages' and 'he looks too anime', I don't think they're really digging deep enough. I applaud you for at least attempting to understand, even if you still end up not liking him.

A very well written post. It suggests to me that i may have reacted badly to all the cliches (dark, brooding, troubled past, amnesiac, multiple personality disorder, kidding about that last one) and judged him a little too soon. That maybe he is more multi-faceted than i previously assumed. If it's true that his personality isn't extreme or that he's a one-note character then i may very well need to change my mind.

As several people mentioned intelligence is good. I can say confidently that it's my number one turn-on. It annoys me that so many girls seem to think guys don't want that.

[Yellopranda]

Hekateras wrote...

I think it DOES somewhat help it if you're female, though, in terms of maternal instinct. He's just so broken and spiky and vulnerable underneath, like a lost puppy whose only contact with others has been kicks and beatings and who'll snap if you try to stroke him. I'd put some thick gloves on for the start, but I'd be immensely tempted to bring him home with me and nurse him back to emotional healtth.

I kinda suspected that was at least some of his appeal. I must admit i come up a little short there, i don't want to fix anyone and i don't appreciate it when someone tries to do that to me. Take me as i come or not at all. Not saying there's nothing to fix 

Not that i don't appreciate the sentiment. To want to take care of someone is commendable.

[Rheia]

Yellopranda, there are already many people that have argued Fenris' part, but I'd just like to add it also helps to have him in the party all the time to gleam little bits of his personality. He has incredibly deadpan sence of humor that shines through sometimes, it had me in stiches.

And don't be afraid to go pro-mage and rival him, it's fun. You'll see slightly less tenderness, but a bit more frankness with him, and he does admits his faults more on the rivalry path. If you care for a personal opinion, I also felt that Hawke with predominantly snarky personality worked best with him (with occasional diplimatic and agressive choice thrown in), but it is certainly arguable.