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SurrealSadi

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Hekateras wrote...

Twofold Black wrote...

You misunderstand me. I don't mean that Hawke will automatically come out on top in any story situation. I mean that any character engaging Hawke in active gameplay combat will lose, via the power of save scumming if nothing else. Characters don't formulate plans that account for the fact that entering combat with Hawke is an automatic death sentence because they don't know they're in a video game. This is why I call it Gameplay and Story Segregation and not, say, Plot Immunity.


Yes - gameplay-wise, if you fight them, then you'll beat them regardless of how good Danarius's guards are. (Although landing in Fort Drakon in Origins was actually a result of a failed gameplay battle, too, come to think of it.) What I'm saying is that from his POV, anything involving a face-on battle should have been dismissed as too risky because Hawke's good at fighting, because it's messy and chaotic and Fenris could get away, and because Fenris has proven to be damned good at that sort of thing, too. Hence, Danarius's approach doesn't make sense.

In any case, the situations you describe are setbacks, not defeats, with the possible exception of Meredith's Big Damn Heroes introduction, which involves a character Hawke has not engaged in gameplay combat.

Huh. I hadn't thought about this before, but I had always assumed that Varania's presence in that scene was some sort of sadistic loyalty test for her as much as it was bait for Fenris. That's pure fanon, but it substantially influenced my interpretation of that scene in a way I hadn't considered.


That's an interesting idea... Wouldn't Varania telling him about the letters have been more of a loyalty test, though? After you come to meet her, there is nothing she can do either way - not much of a loyalty test by then...

I think it was part of Danarius' plot to prove to Fenris that he can trust No One. Not even Family. Danarius wanted Fenris to just... realize he had no one, save for his Master, and to just crawl back to him. But he didn't anticipate how close he and Hawke became, romanced or not. Hawke was the support system Fenris needed to be his own person. And that relationship(Friendship, rivalry or love) was all that Fenris needed to finally free himself from Danarius once and for all.

That is what Danarius underestimated.

Edit: Did...did I kill the thread??:crying:

Modifié par SurrealSadi, 10 avril 2011 - 01:22 .


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I agree with U guys the Dnarius fight was out of skelter with what it should be altho he did inadvertantly kill my Ladyhawke mage with that damnable glowing ball spell once [ was on a different companion healing at the time LOL *To Slow, in Zevrans voice*] It might have been harder if he had at least incapacitated Fenrisin some way took him essentially otu of the battle, since he was the only tank there at the time.
On the other hand he did come off as a self assured bastard. I mean the powerful and really rich dont ever think they will be treated as anything but. It would be like someone wiping their noses on the Queens hem. Just wouldnt happen.. right ? MB Danarius also thought that using Varania as bait and the " family" that Hadriana said she " knew" Fen wanted, would also play into the slave mentality. It still seemed weak. I can kinda forgive Varric not knowing some of the details, as I doubt a magister of his caliber woudl STAY at the Hanged Man, and mb Danarius thought his lackeys had scoped it all out in some way, or mb he thought since this was Kirkwall and slavers abounded that Hawke would simply settle for a replacement pet or something.
Even so... it seems to little of an malignant intelligence, The kidnapping and rescue idea would have really rocked, I would have totally bought into that...
As for the missing years... well I agree it didnt seem like any time flew by [ cuz in my game it really didnt] but, in reality I can totally understand it taking 3 years or less to overcome the abuse IM sure any hopeless/despondent/ abused and debased trauma a persons soul suffers. IT does not go away so easily, and perhaps certain sounds, smells sights would always bring a " glimpse" back of the horror in some way, even as an old person.
I liked the game more than i thought I would, but I think what I am most dissatisfied with is the POTENTIAL for greatness that wasnt really completed. Meh, even so what can we do? but read all of your fan fics and comics and speculate??! So keep writing/creating peeps,fills my 3 year void nicely LOL

And  just  cuz   I  finally can do it,  I see your  Fen and  raise  your  Fen or  some such nonsense.
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OO you make a godo poitn surrealsadi, I have to admit tho that I just gathered in my own head, Varania KNEW what she was doing, and didnt care what it might cost Fenris, she cared only for her ownself and her aspirations... I cannot forgive her for that, it smacks to much of Goldana and Isolde to me.
Fenris had no idea what being free meant, only that his mother and sister would have a "chance" to make a life free from beatings/rape or any other atrocity that could be imagined . She was totally unappreciative of what he endured for the " hope" for those two. I have no mercy on her lol, she has to die.

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*squeezes in amongst the Fengirls*

Ah...I have found my home!

Hi all! I'm a long time lurker, first time poster in the forums :P

I've played both DA games and absolutely LOVE them! Although I'm currently on the hunt for ways to upgrade my PC so I can get access to the mods (the customisation options on the 360 just don't make my girl seem the way I want her...as you can see in my avatar *shudder* XD)

Okay, so I've been reading through the thread (so many posts!) and I just wanted to throw a little something out there to get people talking: I'm currently writing a DA fanfic kinda playing on when Fenris spares his sister (yeah, even my Hawkette/I thought he'd regret it later) but I've done a slight spin off where it comes back later to bite my girl in the backside i.e. Varania goes all "Blood-Mage-Crazy" and kidnaps my Hawke to use in some crazy ritual. Now the story aside (it's still a work in progress) I was curious to hear your views on Varania if you chose to spare her: from my digging it seems like she willingly went along with Danarius's plan to bait and trap her brother in exchange for her to become the Magister's Apprentice, plus she also slates Fenris at the end "Freedom was no boon..." which sounds to me like she's jealous of him (sorry if I was pointing out the obvious XD). So, would she actually have the evil/jealous tendency to come back and try her hand at killing everyone if she was let go?

Once again, good to be here *waves "I <3 Fenris!" banner*

EDIT: I think this was answered already.......maybe it's cuz I'm tired and didn't notice XD (it's currently 2:39 AM where I am)

Modifié par Tempest18, 10 avril 2011 - 01:39 .


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SurrealSadi

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I sometimes have good points. Usually not though :)

#36531
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Maybe Varania over the years of her freedom , away from the structured [ and prolly sad] life she knew as a slave, she felt herself grow distant from her brothers sacrifice and as he lsot his memory , mb varania thought the pain he might feel at betrayal etc would pass with his memories too, so she would not need to feel any guilt. I thin she Put more guilt on him than she did relieve any pressure. So i kill her now, after that one PT, and welcome aboard tempest18.

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Tempest18 wrote...

*squeezes in amongst the Fengirls*

Ah...I have found my home!

Hi all! I'm a long time lurker, first time poster in the forums :P

I've played both DA games and absolutely LOVE them! Although I'm currently on the hunt for ways to upgrade my PC so I can get access to the mods (the customisation options on the 360 just don't make my girl seem the way I want her...as you can see in my avatar *shudder* XD)

Okay, so I've been reading through the thread (so many posts!) and I just wanted to throw a little something out there to get people talking: I'm currently writing a DA fanfic kinda playing on when Fenris spares his sister (yeah, even my Hawkette/I thought he'd regret it later) but I've done a slight spin off where it comes back later to bite my girl in the backside i.e. Varania goes all "Blood-Mage-Crazy" and kidnaps my Hawke to use in some crazy ritual. Now the story aside (it's still a work in progress) I was curious to hear your views on Varania if you chose to spare her: from my digging it seems like she willingly went along with Danarius's plan to bait and trap her brother in exchange for her to become the Magister's Apprentice, plus she also slates Fenris at the end "Freedom was no boon..." which sounds to me like she's jealous of him (sorry if I was pointing out the obvious XD). So, would she actually have the evil/jealous tendency to come back and try her hand at killing everyone if she was let go?

Once again, good to be here *waves "I <3 Fenris!" banner*

EDIT: I think this was answered already.......maybe it's cuz I'm tired and didn't notice XD (it's currently 2:39 AM where I am)


Ooh! New person! 

*Hands plate of cookies* Welcome!


The Varania situation:

I viewed it differently on my (two) currently completed Hawkettes. My Briseis Hawke had lost Bethany (and blamed herself), killed her own brother in the Deep Roads, and lost her mother. She understood what it was like to basically have no family whatsoever-- when she got to the Varania, she wanted her to stay alive because 1) She didn't want Fenris to have the blood of family on his hands and 2) She'd rather she have a back-stabbing viper of a sister then having no family at all.

My Kaalyss Hawke, on the other hand, who never blamed herself for Carver dying and killed Bethany in the Deep Roads (and obviously lost Mama Hawke) saw it as not her choice. She knew that this decision was not hers, and that if she had a sister like Varania, she probably would've have done the same. 

Modifié par Madame Rose Crimsynn, 10 avril 2011 - 01:53 .


#36533
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Someone said one every page?

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@Tank -lol I love that thing

Re: Varania - I can see where she might feel she had no choice. Particularly if Denarius has been getting into her ear. Fenris has been gone for a few years by then and we can't tell what's happened to her in the meantime. I can see both sides of killing her and letting her be. In the short term killing her is probably better - Fenris will satisfy his need for revenge. Long term it might be better to let her live - she has information that you don't get unless she stays alive.

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Hahahaha that is gold. ^-^

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Keeping Varenia alive to me is better than having him kill her. Magical-Fisting ability aside taking this option shows Fenris that he just can't kill or distance himself from life's problems. Saving Varenia also opens up more of Fenris' past which is always a good thing.

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I am going to giggle like a school girl every time that gif pops up, just because someone, I forget who, paired it with the snarky M!Hawke's line of "It can be a lot to take in"......

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Random rant - ffs I hate ff.net. Something is ALWAYS broken. Grrrr...

The only thing I can say about Varania is that I wish Hawke could kill her after she spouts off her "you got the better deal" line. Because she'd be dead in every game.

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Varania will die everytime for me. I let her live once just to see what she would say, but regretted it once she opened her mouth. I'm no diehard Fenris fan, but for all he did for her and her mom, betraying him like that is just pathetic. She's selfish and had it coming.

#36540
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@Tank  Awesome GIF.

Speaking of Tangled:

Varric: So there was no sweeping involved?

Fenris: Yes.

Varric: Alright, its a setback but I'm sure I can think up something for my story.

Fenris: I'm going to regret this aren't I?

Years later


Cassandra: You mentioned that the Champion had an elven lover?

Varric: Yes, but I don't think that you'd like to hear that story Seeker. It's mushy and no offense you don't...

Cassandra: I don't what?

Varric: Never mind, you asked for it.

(Scene cuts to Hawke tied up in a chair with Fenris standing in front of her)


Hawke: Hi. Nice place you have here.

Fenris: (remains silent with his sword drawn as if to strike)

Hawke: Could you perhaps untie me? (Fenris just stares) Now I know that I'm a lot to take in but a little sign of consciousness would be nice. (Fenris continues to stare) Alright then, you brought this upon yourself, get ready for the smolder. (gives Fenris the puppy eye stare)

Fenris: (Whacks Hawke upside the head with his sword's pommel knocking her out)

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 10 avril 2011 - 03:00 .


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Dr. Doctor wrote...

@Tank  Awesome GIF.

Speaking of Tangled:

Varric: So there was no sweeping involved?

Fenris: Yes.

Varric: Alright, its a setback but I'm sure I can think up something for my story.

Fenris: I'm going to regret this aren't I?

Years later


Cassandra: You mentioned that the Champion had an elven lover?

Varric: Yes, but I don't think that you'd like to hear that story Seeker. It's mushy and no offense you don't...

Cassandra: I don't what?

Varric: Never mind, you asked for it.

(Scene cuts to Hawke tied up in a chair with Fenris standing in front of her)


Hawke: Hi. Nice place you have here.

Fenris: (remains silent with his sword drawn as if to strike)

Hawke: Could you perhaps untie me? (Fenris just stares) Now I know that I'm a lot to take in but a little sign of consciousness would be nice. (Fenris continues to stare) Alright then, you brought this upon yourself, get ready for the smolder. (gives Fenris the puppy eye stare)

Fenris: (Whacks Hawke upside the head with his sword's pommel knocking her out)




:o:O:O

#36542
SurrealSadi

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dammit... playing DAO while reading these banters is making me want to play DA2 again!!

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Aeryn-Sun wrote...

Random rant - ffs I hate ff.net. Something is ALWAYS broken. Grrrr...


Truth. I was all excited for your update when I saw it in my inbox, too.

Anywhere else we can see it? I promise I'll review when FFNet fixes itself.  *FenrisPuppyEyes*

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SurrealSadi

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Oh, more news on the Patch.

Only BioWare Post made, but at least it's some info!

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Azakias wrote...

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

Random rant - ffs I hate ff.net. Something is ALWAYS broken. Grrrr...


Truth. I was all excited for your update when I saw it in my inbox, too.

Anywhere else we can see it? I promise I'll review when FFNet fixes itself.  *FenrisPuppyEyes*

:(  I don't have another place I post, but I'll look for one either tonight after my kids are sleep or tomorrow if ff.net isn't up by then. Bleh. I had a feeling I should wait too, because I noticed everything was acting funny. Should have listened to myself.

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Aeryn-Sun wrote...

Azakias wrote...

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

Random rant - ffs I hate ff.net. Something is ALWAYS broken. Grrrr...


Truth. I was all excited for your update when I saw it in my inbox, too.

Anywhere else we can see it? I promise I'll review when FFNet fixes itself.  *FenrisPuppyEyes*

:(  I don't have another place I post, but I'll look for one either tonight after my kids are sleep or tomorrow if ff.net isn't up by then. Bleh. I had a feeling I should wait too, because I noticed everything was acting funny. Should have listened to myself.


sigh....yeah I was about to post stuff too and saw the error. SAD! double sad because like Azakias said I got excited when I saw the update and of course ff doesn't work when I REALLY want them to :huh:

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I have seen stories post up in Deviantart, can you post there?

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Victia wrote...

Yes 3 year time gaps are silly, so in my little brain its play a year skip a year and when anyone says differently I stick my fingers in my ears and go 'la la la la can't hear you la la la' :-) I just think 1 year gaps make more sense!

I just hope they bring out some time skip dlc


Funny you should say that, it's my approach too.:lol:  Three year skips do not make sense (at least to me) in the game but I would guess it must have something to do with the overall story arc (including Origins and future games).

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Dr. Doctor wrote...

@Tank  Awesome GIF.

Speaking of Tangled:

Varric: So there was no sweeping involved?

Fenris: Yes.

Varric: Alright, its a setback but I'm sure I can think up something for my story.

Fenris: I'm going to regret this aren't I?

Years later


Cassandra: You mentioned that the Champion had an elven lover?

Varric: Yes, but I don't think that you'd like to hear that story Seeker. It's mushy and no offense you don't...

Cassandra: I don't what?

Varric: Never mind, you asked for it.

(Scene cuts to Hawke tied up in a chair with Fenris standing in front of her)


Hawke: Hi. Nice place you have here.

Fenris: (remains silent with his sword drawn as if to strike)

Hawke: Could you perhaps untie me? (Fenris just stares) Now I know that I'm a lot to take in but a little sign of consciousness would be nice. (Fenris continues to stare) Alright then, you brought this upon yourself, get ready for the smolder. (gives Fenris the puppy eye stare)

Fenris: (Whacks Hawke upside the head with his sword's pommel knocking her out)




Actually the look is called "The Smoldering" :lol: That's what it is called in hte movie anyway

#36550
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SurrealSadi wrote...

Oh, more news on the Patch.

Only BioWare Post made, but at least it's some info!


[offtopic]
This might sounds very silly, how do us xBox owner instale patches ? Log in on xBox Live? I have several profile in the consol but not every one of them have xBox Live account, does instaling one works for all of them?

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