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[Tealsie]

I would've liked the "I always understood" line better if it was one of several options. Like... you could've gone that way, but then there was another option where Hawke doesn't... "let it go" so easily. And then the last option, of course, where Hawke tells Fen that she/he doesn't forgive him at all.
...I don't think I could ever choose the last option.

Modifié par Tealsie, 11 avril 2011 - 08:14 .

[AstraDrakkar]

Well, I finally broke down and started my mage PT and am gonna try friendmancing Fenris. It will be tricky but I've had 3 other playthroughs using the other classes, so at least I know my way around the quests. Wish me luck! ( Carver is such an **** )

[Hekateras]

What bugs me about "I always understood" is that you have the option to ASK him for an explanation right beforehand. So you ask him, showing that you don't understand, and then tell him you always understood... Yeah. T_T

[Dark_Rogue]

Wow...I come back from work and the thread has grown! 

Tealsie wrote...

I would've liked the "I always understood" line better if it was one of several options. Like... you could've gone that way, but then there was another option where Hawke doesn't... "let it go" so easily. And then the last option, of course, where he/she tells Fen that she doesn't forgive him at all.
...I don't think I could ever choose the last option.

I agree, I was messing around with my saves (I saved before the first romance scene) and I decided to run through each dialogue option and as soon as I hit the "I didn't want more" choice I HATED myself.....it's the face I tell you, damn those adorable puppy eyes! But I do sometimes wonder how the scene plays out if you reject him after he apologises...I might have to save and find out for myself 

[Tealsie]

Tempest18 wrote...

I agree, I was messing around with my saves (I saved before the first romance scene) and I decided to run through each dialogue option and as soon as I hit the "I didn't want more" choice I HATED myself.....it's the face I tell you, damn those adorable puppy eyes! But I do sometimes wonder how the scene plays out if you reject him after he apologises...I might have to save and find out for myself 

I was doing the same awhile ago, and discovered that you can actually have Fenris leave in the conversation after "Alone". I hadn't heard anything about this before. It was quick and sort of quietly heartbreaking. He asks you what you think he's supposed to do now, and you have the option of telling him "you don't really seem happy here", and he agrees, says something about there being other places he'd like to see, and then he's... gone. GONE gone.  ithurtsobad. And you don't even get to have the "what happened between us 3 years ago" talk.

Modifié par Tealsie, 11 avril 2011 - 08:24 .

[AstraDrakkar]

Hekateras wrote...

What bugs me about "I always understood" is that you have the option to ASK him for an explanation right beforehand. So you ask him, showing that you don't understand, and then tell him you always understood... Yeah. T_T

Yeah I think that conversation could really have been improved. It feels too rushed. There should have been a lot more to it, considering 3 years have supposedly passed without any sort of explanation from Fenris. As a matter of fact, all of Act 3 seems rushed.

[sushismygen]

Tealsie wrote...

I would've liked the "I always understood" line better if it was one of several options. Like... you could've gone that way, but then there was another option where Hawke doesn't... "let it go" so easily. And then the last option, of course, where Hawke tells Fen that she/he doesn't forgive him at all.
...I don't think I could ever choose the last option.

Oh, I totaly did for science reasons .... Had to reload of course. The other thing I tested was to tell him that he can do whatever/ go wherever he wants (can't remember the exact sentence, something about leaving anyway) before he mentions the 3 years break and it left me in an obvious shock when he just turned around and left!!!  With a content smile and all, like nothing ever happened.
He thanked for the help and he was gone!  Just like that 

[sushismygen]

Hekateras wrote...

What bugs me about "I always understood" is that you have the option to ASK him for an explanation right beforehand. So you ask him, showing that you don't understand, and then tell him you always understood... Yeah. T_T

Exactly my point

[Tealsie]

Forgot to post a pic at the top of the page, so here's a delayed one.

http://babushkayaga....llery/#/d3bv4lx

[Dr. Doctor]

Writing time.

Sebastian: I see you still wear your armband, it is from Hawke is it not?

Fenris: What of it?

Sebastian:  It is traditonal for knights to wear such favors from the women they love. To continue wearing it shows great conviction.

Varric: Choir boy, I suggest you drop the subject.

Sebastian: I was simply lauding...

Varric: I get it, but what you need to get is that sometimes its best just to let things lay.

[phyreblade74]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

Well, I finally broke down and started my mage PT and am gonna try friendmancing Fenris. It will be tricky but I've had 3 other playthroughs using the other classes, so at least I know my way around the quests. Wish me luck! ( Carver is such an **** )

Heh, I thought Carver was a douche my first PT, too.  I made him a Warden that PT and wasn't too unhappy about losing him.  But I thought, too, what it musta been like, to be the "little brother" to such a sister as Hawke. 

I have two younger brothers and I can recall plenty of people -- teachers, parents, other friends and the like -- always regaling my brothers with admonishments about how much "better" at something I was, whether it was school or games or whatever.  It's a constant competition and to this day both my brothers indicate they never felt they measured up.

So when I thought of Carver in THAT light, he began to appeal to me alot more.  Because the competition between siblings never diminishes the love and bonds they share.  And you see that with Carver, too, when he instantly sticks up for Hawke during times of confrontation, telling Fenris, "If you have a problem with my sister, you have a problem with me", for instance.  I've also noticed it's Carver in Act 1 who stops whatever fight he's making to rush towards Hawke when she's being attacked.  Time and again, someone's hitting my mage and, woosh, there's "little brother" swooshing in to knock the bastard down...it's funny. 

I dunno, I just like the guy this PT.  He's a total pain in the tush, it's not a sweet sibling relationship, no, not like with Bethany.  But he's not so bad, once you get a good handle on him.  I don't think I'm ever gonna get him to 100% friend, though, dammit.  He's absolutely horrid to get anything but rivalry with but I'm shooting for the challenge, I'm determined!

[sushismygen]

I tend to kill Carver in the Deep Roads so I can save Fenris in "Best Served Cold" 
Does that make me a bad person?

[Tasmen]

sushismygen wrote...

I tend to kill Carver in the Deep Roads so I can save Fenris in "Best Served Cold" 
Does that make me a bad person?

I did that with Bethany.  I have to admit I could never kill Carver.  I just love that little ****** too much.  I love the idea of Warden Carver.  I do think the next time I play a mage, I'll make him a templar, though, so that I can see what he is like going that route.

[steph01423]

Hekateras wrote...

"You're making a mistake... but I won't abandon you."

That's how it goes. That line both came as a pleasant surprise to me and totally didn't - because it was just impossible to imagine he'd separate himself from the one thing in his life that finally started making sense and making him truly happy.

But still - yeah, so adorable. ^^

I've heard that Anders is supposed to have the same option, though - of siding against his faction - and that it doesn't trigger because of a glitch. O.o Apparently the next patch is going to fix that! O.o It doesn't make sense to me. Anders by definition is so uncompromising by the end that siding with the Templars would go against literally everything established of his character during the whole game...

http://social.biowar...6/index/6758177
...That's old news, isn't it?

^^Ah, yes, that's the quote! Thank you! It was bothering me that I couldn't remember and saved over that part in the game.

One of my favorite moments, though. I like a lot of his moments, but I imagine him saying that and sticking by my Hawke was just the ultimate reassurance for her. A simple line, but says a lot about the strength of their relationship at that point. Maybe he left before, but now she knows without a doubt that it won't happen again. And that^ is just the perfect explanation as to why, and exactly why it works in the story and makes sense.

Anders on the other hand... I agree with you, it just wouldn't work for him to turn against the mages. That is just so out of character & would make no sense whatsoever. His cause is the most important thing to him, even if he cares about Hawke.  His goal of ending the "mages' plight" will always take precedent over everything else. Not spreading Anders hate or anything.... that's just who he seems to be as a character.

I did romance him the first time I played, and even though he has some cute and endearing moments, I was quickly converted to Fenris and just can't ever go back. His backstory, scripting, character design, and that gorgeous musical theme are just magic. (No pun intended.) Since I like to write in my free time, I really appreciate characters with a good, deep, solid backstory and some good scriptwriting. Gideon Emery killed that script. Of course, he always seems to be excellent. Loved him as Balthier in FFXII too.

Funny how Balthier and Fenris are both the 'leading man.'

[Thrazesul]

Carver is awesome. However, I read somewhere that it's impossible to get 100% friendship with him. Shame really but makes sense I guess.

[steph01423]

@phyreblade74 - I totally agree with you on Carver. At first he was a little annoying, but I have a younger brother too, so I can understand the relationship that he and Hawke have. I do love when Carver sticks up for his sister to Fenris in the beginning, and when he comes back as a Warden to fight with her in the end (if the playthrough goes that route). A little "blood is thicker than water" thing going on there. I really grew to like him. As much as I want to rescue Fenris in Best Served Cold, I don't know if I could kill lil Carvy off in the Deep Roads. I think I would feel guilty.

[sushismygen]

By Wolfs Angel

Just because I love to watch Anders and Fenris fight  especially for Hawke

wolfs-angel17.deviantart.com/art/You-Jealous-Anders-204373247

Modifié par sushismygen, 11 avril 2011 - 09:09 .

[Shacary]

I wish we had the option of makign carver the Mage for those PT's hawke wasnt a magic user. Nothing against Bethany but Carver has the stronger personality . I like the rivalry tbh. As someone said earlier it happens to the other siblings despite the great love they have, I remember hearing all the time how great my sis was in art and I couldnt draw a stick figure lol. so I can totally commiserate with him, also he has some great banters... Bethany is pretty much all goodness and light lol

[Hekateras]

I just replayed the aftermath to Alone and didn't see any option to get him to leave. (For science, I say!)
However, if you say "You do what you want, it doesn't matter to me"... Fenris says "Ah. And here I'd hoped it might" in this casual, keeping-a-close-guard-over-feelings way, and then "Well, Hawke, I suppose I shall have to find out for myself. Like anyone else, yes?"

The way he just so casually takes such a cold rebuttal in stride, like he expects it, like he believes he deserves no matter (which we know was one of his issues).... it's just heartbreaking in a whole new way and puts Hawke alternate forgiveness for him in a whole new light. You really grasp just HOW miraculous and too-good-to-be-true it is to him.

Ahh, Bioware. I both love you for creating such amazing characters and hate you for nearly always failing to finish the polish on displaying them. Bishop, Sand, Gannayev... One-shot wonders whom we'll probably never see on-screen again. D:

[KakashiMorph]

I expected Carver to turn against me when I sided with the mages but surprisingly enough, he didn't want to kill his own sister. I guess the rivalry was high enough.
Also, Fenris sticking with Hawke no matter what, yes... So sweet and cute. And the kiss!

[Hekateras]

Now I'm expecting Dr. Doctor to write about how Varric & Co. unabashadely tease Fenris about that public show of affection in the last moments before battle.

[Rheia]

Bishop, Gannayev and Sand, while enjoyable characters in their own right were written by people at Obsidian, not Bioware . Come to think of it, Sand was almost a Nwn2 equivalent of Varrick for my character back in a day .

hrm. More fun strips by Meegz0. Author's page: here

Modifié par Rheia, 11 avril 2011 - 09:34 .

[sushismygen]

Hekateras wrote...

I just replayed the aftermath to Alone and didn't see any option to get him to leave. (For science, I say!)
However, if you say "You do what you want, it doesn't matter to me"... Fenris says "Ah. And here I'd hoped it might" in this casual, keeping-a-close-guard-over-feelings way, and then "Well, Hawke, I suppose I shall have to find out for myself. Like anyone else, yes?"

The way he just so casually takes such a cold rebuttal in stride, like he expects it, like he believes he deserves no matter (which we know was one of his issues).... it's just heartbreaking in a whole new way and puts Hawke alternate forgiveness for him in a whole new light. You really grasp just HOW miraculous and too-good-to-be-true it is to him.

Ahh, Bioware. I both love you for creating such amazing characters and hate you for nearly always failing to finish the polish on displaying them. Bishop, Sand, Gannayev... One-shot wonders whom we'll probably never see on-screen again. D:

All those things I do for science....

You need rivalry for this. 

Hawke: "You are obviously not happy here"
Fenris: "Obviously not! There are other lands I havn't seen. Places without bad memories.
Perhaps I should travel west. For what it's worth...Thank you Hawke" and then swooosh..He's gone for good

Modifié par sushismygen, 11 avril 2011 - 09:36 .

[Tealsie]

Hekateras wrote...

Now I'm expecting Dr. Doctor to write about how Varric & Co. unabashadely tease Fenris about that public show of affection in the last moments before battle.

Probably not Anders(if Hawke spared him). He'd be busy pouting somewhere off to the side.