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[yoshibb]

Hekateras wrote...

I just replayed the aftermath to Alone and didn't see any option to get him to leave. (For science, I say!)
However, if you say "You do what you want, it doesn't matter to me"... Fenris says "Ah. And here I'd hoped it might" in this casual, keeping-a-close-guard-over-feelings way, and then "Well, Hawke, I suppose I shall have to find out for myself. Like anyone else, yes?"

The way he just so casually takes such a cold rebuttal in stride, like he expects it, like he believes he deserves no matter (which we know was one of his issues).... it's just heartbreaking in a whole new way and puts Hawke alternate forgiveness for him in a whole new light. You really grasp just HOW miraculous and too-good-to-be-true it is to him.

Ahh, Bioware. I both love you for creating such amazing characters and hate you for nearly always failing to finish the polish on displaying them. Bishop, Sand, Gannayev... One-shot wonders whom we'll probably never see on-screen again. D:

They seem to be getting a little better at the continuation thing. At least old characters show up now like Alistair, Zevran, Leliana. They made the only real choice that mattered in this game your love interest and mentioned them specifically in the end. If they want to create another adventure with Hawke then it wouldn't make sense to leave them out. So maybe it's not the end.

Personally, I don't even like the option to kill certain companions cause it makes them difficult to bring back in a sequel. And just because some random guy hates Fenris and wants to stab him, I can't see him in anymore games. It's annoying.

[Dr. Doctor]

Hekateras wrote...

Now I'm expecting Dr. Doctor to write about how Varric & Co. unabashadely tease Fenris about that public show of affection in the last moments before battle.

You rang?

Varric: (clears throat)

Fenris: (holding Hawke) What is it dwarf?

Varric: I understand that we all might die in the next few hours, and that you're in love but right now we need a plan of attack that doesn't involve slipping our fearless leader the tongue.

Hawke: Spoilsport.

Varric: Well unless we plan to awkward the Knight-Commander into submission we have business to attend to.

Hawke: Who are you and what have you done with Varric?

Varric: I can be serious when I need to be.

Fenris: Of course you can.

[Eirnae]

yoshibb wrote...

Hekateras wrote...

I just replayed the aftermath to Alone and didn't see any option to get him to leave. (For science, I say!)
However, if you say "You do what you want, it doesn't matter to me"... Fenris says "Ah. And here I'd hoped it might" in this casual, keeping-a-close-guard-over-feelings way, and then "Well, Hawke, I suppose I shall have to find out for myself. Like anyone else, yes?"

The way he just so casually takes such a cold rebuttal in stride, like he expects it, like he believes he deserves no matter (which we know was one of his issues).... it's just heartbreaking in a whole new way and puts Hawke alternate forgiveness for him in a whole new light. You really grasp just HOW miraculous and too-good-to-be-true it is to him.

Ahh, Bioware. I both love you for creating such amazing characters and hate you for nearly always failing to finish the polish on displaying them. Bishop, Sand, Gannayev... One-shot wonders whom we'll probably never see on-screen again. D:

They seem to be getting a little better at the continuation thing. At least old characters show up now like Alistair, Zevran, Leliana. They made the only real choice that mattered in this game your love interest and mentioned them specifically in the end. If they want to create another adventure with Hawke then it wouldn't make sense to leave them out. So maybe it's not the end.

Personally, I don't even like the option to kill certain companions cause it makes them difficult to bring back in a sequel. And just because some random guy hates Fenris and wants to stab him, I can't see him in anymore games. It's annoying.

So much this it isn't funny.  So, just beause someone wants the opportunity to murder knife Fenris because of whatever reason, he won't be available for further story content down the road?  *sigh*  Why is it that only characters that are easy to loathe get plot armor?  I'm glaring at you, Grace!    Then again, she dies eventually, so perhaps that's not the best example ...

Of course, there's the chance that Bioware plans on making Dragon Age 3 the last in the series.  That would open up many possibilities.  No more having to watch what characters are placed in the game for the sake of the next's continuity.  Of course, that means that they would have to account for ALL of the possible love interests carrying on into the next game, which would be a ton of dialogue for something that isn't going to happen for every playthrough.  While I'm hoping (and praying) that they do decide to go for the gusto, it's more likely that Hawke and their LI will get cameos and we'll end up with a new hero to progress the next chapter of the Dragon Age tale.

I'm not yet sure if I'll be satisfied by a Fenris cameo, but I'll take it over nothing at all.

Modifié par Eirnae, 11 avril 2011 - 10:04 .

[Rheia]

re: gallows kiss

*grin* I kind of picture Varrick and Isabella give Fenris and Hawke the look that Sketch and Tug gave Marjorlene when she tackled Leliana in Leliana's Song (watch at around 3:40  here ) and then go:

Varrick: "There totally was sweeping involved..."
Isabella: "Are you still on about it, Varrick?"
Varrick: "You are the one who wanted to do pictures. Perfect visual confirmation here, Rivaini!"

Modifié par Rheia, 11 avril 2011 - 10:20 .

[Fluffyfiend]

Hekateras wrote...

I just replayed the aftermath to Alone and didn't see any option to get him to leave. (For science, I say!)
However, if you say "You do what you want, it doesn't matter to me"... Fenris says "Ah. And here I'd hoped it might" in this casual, keeping-a-close-guard-over-feelings way, and then "Well, Hawke, I suppose I shall have to find out for myself. Like anyone else, yes?"

The way he just so casually takes such a cold rebuttal in stride, like he expects it, like he believes he deserves no matter (which we know was one of his issues).... it's just heartbreaking in a whole new way and puts Hawke alternate forgiveness for him in a whole new light. You really grasp just HOW miraculous and too-good-to-be-true it is to him.

Ahh, Bioware. I both love you for creating such amazing characters and hate you for nearly always failing to finish the polish on displaying them. Bishop, Sand, Gannayev... One-shot wonders whom we'll probably never see on-screen again. D:

Yes, I think it brings to light his personal turmoil to light.

Side note: Bioware isn't responsible for any of the NWN 2 characters and stories. That was all Obsidian. Which confused me since there are NWN2 forums on Social Bioware. But I ignore it since Mythic and not Bioware made Warhammer and they have forums on SB as well.

Sorry I had to point it out I have such rage at the problems/glitches during NWN2's launch. Long unresolved rage.

[Rheia]

Regarding Dragon Age III and cameos... I'd prefer an all new hero and all new companion crew honestly.

And while cameos are nice, seeing what they did with Zev and Alistair, I'd much prefer a couple of touching rumors regarding sightings of Hawke/Fenris -together- (or well, any romance partner, really), without the actual characters appearing.

Modifié par Rheia, 11 avril 2011 - 10:12 .

[Hekateras]

Huh. I totally failed my creators check. Ah well, never delved too much into that stuff anyway. XD All I need to know is that there's a guy who's called David Gaider and he's a god.

[Fluffyfiend]

Rheia wrote...

Regarding Dragon Age III and cameos... I'd prefer an all new hero and all new companion crew honestly.

And while cameos are nice, seeing what they did with Zev and Alistair, I'd much prefer a couple of touching rumors regarding sightings of Hawke/Fenris -together- (or well, any romance partner, really), without the actual characters appearing.

Yeah, I think after DA:O I have bought into the whole idea of playing out the Age and not just the characters. They passed out these cups and told me to drink and I'd have cake if I behaved and so I did it. Tell me the cake isn't a lie.

I do like that you see more dragons in the game, given our characters are supposed to be in the Age of Dragons and we see some but they aren't running rampant I guess that means we are towards the start.

I still want a good cameo or codex entry. I'd be totally ok with a clicky book detailing rumors/stories of exploits for them. Doesn't infringe on anyone's mental canon. Although Warden and Champion both missing, Flemeth involved with the surprising survival of both...who knows.

[Eirnae]

While NWN2 is being mentioned .... I was always frustrated by my inability to romance Sand. Sarcastic, handsome, elf mage. Come ON! *grumble* Aaaaanyway ...

You've got a good point there, Rheia. The cameos for DA2 were cringe-worthy. "What have you DONE to <Alistair/Zevran>, Bioware?!" is my lasting reaction. Thank goodness for the modding community. So, yes, I'd prefer to not see that happen to my Hawke and Fenris. Ugh!

Codex entries worth reading that updates us on what our past characters did and are up to would be great. Verbal rumors flying around wherever our characters go would be gravy. Bring on the gravy! 

Modifié par Eirnae, 11 avril 2011 - 10:24 .

[Rheia]

Yeah, the model remakes of Cameos (except Leliana, she got prettier, heh) were cringe-worthy, but my main concern is that in order to do the cameo, they'll have to separate them from Hawke. In case of romantic partners, I don't want that, not after what they have gone through.

Separating the warden and their romance post Origins and through Awakening-Golems-whitch hunt-and apparently throughout DA II events was a bit of a bitter pill for me, especially since the warden's 30 year clock till the deep roads has been ticking all that time.

Modifié par Rheia, 11 avril 2011 - 10:32 .

[Tealsie]

Rheia wrote...

Yeah, the model remakes of Cameos (except Leliana, she got prettier, heh) were cringe-worthy

I actually prefer how Cullen looks in DA2.  Went and rewatched the cute flirt scene with him at the circle tower(mage origin), and... yeah. Looks good in both, but mygoodness in DA2... *meltsalittle*

[Rheia]

I am probably the only person in this thread who never understood the appeal of Cullen, and I play (female) mages, predominantely :/.

Eh. Need something 'Fenris' in this post, I think It's a meme, but it got some really nice drawn Fenris in it

Author's page: here

[Eirnae]

Rheia wrote...

Yeah, the model remakes of Cameos (except Leliana, she got prettier, heh) were cringe-worthy, but my main concern is that in order to do the cameo, they'll have to separate them from Hawke. In case of romantic partners, I don't want that, not after what they have gone through.

Separating the warden and their romance post Origins and through Awakening-Golems-whitch hunt-and apparently throughout DA II events was a bit of a bitter pill for me, especially since the warden's 30 year clock till the deep roads has been ticking all that time.

I have a bad feeling, Rheia, that Hawke "going the way of the Warden" doesn't involve their love interest in the slightest.  Is such something I want to happen?  Heck no!  Whatever love interest Hawke may choose, they've almost literally been through the Void and back, and I like to think that whatever may come, they'll deal with it as a team.

The ending for my canon Warden made me growl.  First they gave me the happy "She returned to court and ruled for several years" bit, then slammed me with the disappearing act.  I was half smiling in a daze as I read that, and had to blink a couple of times before it fully hit me.  My Warden, the character I'd poured my heart and soul into, was gone.  Poof!  What.  The.  Hell?!  I reasoned that they had been very vague with the timing of it all.  Several years could be any number, right?  So, maybe her 30 years had passed, so she and Alistair had to answer their Calling.  Very believable, right?  Fast forward to DA 2.  10 years, maybe 8 or 9.  That was it.  Not.  Happy.

Eh hem.  Rant over.  Really.

*scurries to admire the meme to cheer herself up*

[Dr. Doctor]

Rheia wrote...
Separating the warden and their romance post Origins and through Awakening-Golems-whitch hunt-and apparently throughout DA II events was a bit of a bitter pill for me, especially since the warden's 30 year clock till the deep roads has been ticking all that time.

The Warden comes equipped with main character standard-issue plot armor. Unless the writers decree that the Warden is no longer needed, then The Calling comes into effect.

On the subject of Cullen, first thing that went through my head is: "Cullen's alive and not insane!" then in the fight against Meredith it was "Oh, poor Cullen here he goes again!" Can we get him as a party member?

Cullen: Do you ever feel like the Maker knocks our lives asunder for the sheer fun of it?

Fenris: If so, He has a twisted sense of humor.

Hawke: (chuckles) To me, the Maker is sort of like an cosmic Varric, who throws danger and excitement into our lives whenever things seem to be settling down.

Fenris: I know that feeling.

Cullen: As do I, some days its hard to tell if He is smiling upon me, or laughing at me.

Hawke: Trust me its the same thing with Varric.

[Tealsie]

Rheia wrote...

I am probably the only person in this thread who never understood the appeal of Cullen, and I play (female) mages, predominantely :/.

Can't really speak for anyone else, but... I didn't like him in Origins, was quite annoyed when he showed up again in DA2, but grew to like him as he showed that he was begining to "calm down" a bit.
And the sort of bashfulness was always adorable to me.  
And the little look he gives Hawke at the end, before he/she runs off.

[SurrealSadi]

New information on the patch.

http://social.biowar...ex/6993469&lf=8

That glitch with the "return the item to the person" quests... is one of the things they will be fixing. So no more easy money/levels...

Though it doesn't say anything about the store glitch to get mad money....

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

SurrealSadi wrote...

New information on the patch.

http://social.biowar...ex/6993469&lf=8

That glitch with the "return the item to the person" quests... is one of the things they will be fixing. So no more easy money/levels...

Though it doesn't say anything about the store glitch to get mad money....

This is disappointing. My new PT mage is actually my *one* character that took advantage of this-- I mainly did it for aesthetic reasons (I love running around in the Stalker's Boar Hides over any of the other armor in the game until I get Champion mage armor-- I did it on Kaalyss, and I was sort of upset I couldn't do it on my mage until recently). It's sort of screwy for us console players who did it just because we actually want to look cool while being the cool random refugee/noble/Champion.

Guess it's time to make an extra mage and perhaps a rogue taking advantage of that glitch and save them just after I use it. Or never get the patch-- I'll just have to Rival Isabela and Sebastian forever.  Or go buy a PC version and look fracking amazing. But then I'll lose my Signature Edition benefits...

Modifié par Madame Rose Crimsynn, 11 avril 2011 - 11:09 .

[yoshibb]

The difference between the Warden and Hawke is I was actually happy with the ending for my Warden (before the whole disappearing act in Awakening). She and Alistair were together and and they were happy. I felt she did her part.

I don't feel that way about Hawke and Fenris. There's so much left out about Fenris and there's so much more potential for Hawke. I didn't feel like Hawke really did anything this time around and it was just a prequel to something bigger.

And with all the craziness surrounding what happened with Origins with the crazy changing of the ending after they said the Warden was with their love interest, why would they do the same thing again, specifically mentioning it, if they were just not going to follow through a second time?

I still think they can bring romantic interests back for sequels. I know it's a lot of work and possibilities of different companions would go into it, but besides the companions' fate is there really anything Hawke actually made different based on his/her choices?

Maybe I just have more hope now that ME3 has announced the return of certain old squadmates.

Modifié par yoshibb, 11 avril 2011 - 11:06 .

[Hekateras]

Rheia wrote...

I am probably the only person in this thread who never understood the appeal of Cullen, and I play (female) mages, predominantely :/.

You're not the one.My first DA:O PT was a Dalish Warden and Cullen didn't make that much of an impression on me when I got to him in the Circle. But I have gained a lot of respect for him as a character as of the end of DA2 for having the strength to turn on Meredith despite having probably as much reason as Fenris to fear and despise mages.

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

Hekateras wrote...

Rheia wrote...

I am probably the only person in this thread who never understood the appeal of Cullen, and I play (female) mages, predominantely :/.

You're not the one.My first DA:O PT was a Dalish Warden and Cullen didn't make that much of an impression on me when I got to him in the Circle. But I have gained a lot of respect for him as a character as of the end of DA2 for having the strength to turn on Meredith despite having probably as much reason as Fenris to fear and despise mages.

Third. 

I was "meh" about Cullen in DA:O. He grew on me quite a bit in DA2, and I like him now, but I still can't figure out why people find him so attractive.

[Victia]

I actually have 7 characters in back up having used the cheat, much like you MRC its for astetic reasons and a little bit to get some of my face skills that little bit earlier! I asumed they would fix it so prepared :-)!

I just hope that after we find out where the warden and champion are and they get back (they better get back bioware) they then get their happily ever after with their li!

[tankgirly]

[SurrealSadi]

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

New information on the patch.

http://social.biowar...ex/6993469&lf=8

That glitch with the "return the item to the person" quests... is one of the things they will be fixing. So no more easy money/levels...

Though it doesn't say anything about the store glitch to get mad money....

This is disappointing. My new PT mage is actually my *one* character that took advantage of this-- I mainly did it for aesthetic reasons (I love running around in the Stalker's Boar Hides over any of the other armor in the game until I get Champion mage armor-- I did it on Kaalyss, and I was sort of upset I couldn't do it on my mage until recently). It's sort of screwy for us console players who did it just because we actually want to look cool while being the cool random refugee/noble/Champion.

Guess it's time to make an extra mage and perhaps a rogue taking advantage of that glitch and save them just after I use it. Or never get the patch-- I'll just have to Rival Isabela and Sebastian forever.  Or go buy a PC version and look fracking amazing. But then I'll loose my Signature Edition benefits...

I've done it once, and regretted it. On Navarre. He was level 33 by the end of the game...and it just seemed...cheap...

Using the Store Glitch(which is the same in DA:O) gets you the money, but takes a while. Especially because of how stores are set up in DA2. If you don't know the Store Glitch, place an item (or stackable item like lyrium potions) in the Junk Menu, then go into a store. (in DA2 you have to select Sell) Go to the Junk Menu, then press Sell All Junk (triangle on PS3) and Sell This Item (X on PS3) at the same time (Sell All just a moment before Sell This Item). If using a stackable item, buy back all but 1, then repeat the buttons. If you do it right, you should sell all, but also be prompted to select how many to sell. You'll get twice the money, and duplicate the amount you sold. Repeat till happy.

Yes, complicated, but it works. It's how I usually make money in DA:O... I do it with the Tomes of Arcane/Physical Techniques. Usually Arcane since you get access to a third more easily than the Physical ones.

[Tealsie]

Victia wrote...

I just hope that after we find out where the warden and champion are and they get back (they better get back bioware) they then get their happily ever after with their li!

DA3 will end with that games' hero barging into the villain's lair to find the Warden and Hawke on the ground; sacrificed in a blood magic ritual to give the villain(Flemeth, perhaps?) more power.
...

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

*Stares at Tank*

You really have taken that very seriously, haven't you?

@Victia
Ooh, nice. 7 characters is a bit too many for me though-- I have this thing where I like to keep my saves organized and not have like... a gazillion lying around. Plus, I don't play warriors, as I've never been able to get into them (even in DA2, I have a hard time).

Oh, I wish I could sort my saves into folder by each individual character in the normal PS3 save area. That would stop me from getting delete happy.