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Maria Caliban wrote...

I was just asking how people felt about a love interest you couldn't touch. Given that people thought Tali and Garrus were fine, I'm not surprised many don't care. I am surprised I'm the only one who seems to see it as a negative.

Don't mind me. I'll go sit in the shallow and unromantic corner.

I actually like the idea. I mean, a lot. Maybe it's a little angsty, but I just think it's kind of a cool little side-drama that casts a whole new light on the relationship.

But despite loving it here, I never romanced Tali or Garrus. In fact, that's a big reason why I haven't played a FemShep in ME2. I don't like Jacob, and the idea of Thane or Garrus is a little too weird. My overriding philosophy is that when logistics have to enter the equation, that kind of kills the romance for me. In fact this even touches on why I don't like romancing Dwarves with non-Dwarves (remember the "where do you put the legs" dialogue?). As much as I like Tali, I can't help but find the whole medical angle a huge buzzkill. And it's not like it's a bad thing...it's actually kind of sweet, but...I dunno.

* Begin tl;dr/"cool story bro" section
I had one of the most surreal conversations of my life a few days ago. A friend and I were coming back from the framing shop where we got a few BioWare lithos framed, and Mass Effect came up. We got on this very topic, and I talked about Thane and Garrus and how they were weird lizard-men and do they even have the proper bits? I told him I had a strictly no-aliens policy, with an exception for Asari. Then he had to go bring up the fact that they do the crazy "embrace eternity" thing when they mate, so maybe they don't have the "proper bits" either. And there's only one gender, so who knows what's going on down there. I basically decided that I would continue to believe that all was as it should be down below, until and even after I got evidence to the contrary.
* End tl;dr/"cool story bro" section

So anyway...I guess it's different with Fenris because it's something I can sort of relate to. I know what pain feels like, whereas I can't really say what is going on under Tali's suit or what it's like to be a weird, scaly lizard guy. Pain from physical contact is something that is easily conceptualized, and I can be confident that aside from that, everything will sort of work as it's supposed to. Elves are not so different from humans (at least not to the extent that Quarians or Drell or Turians are), and that basic level of compatibility is something I find essential.

#3677
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Maria Caliban wrote...

I was just asking how people felt about a love interest you couldn't touch. Given that people thought Tali and Garrus were fine, I'm not surprised many don't care. I am surprised I'm the only one who seems to see it as a negative.

Don't mind me. I'll go sit in the shallow and unromantic corner.


I see this as a serious negative. But this thread scares me a little so I don't post in here much.

#3678
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Maria Caliban wrote...

I was just asking how people felt about a love interest you couldn't touch. Given that people thought Tali and Garrus were fine, I'm not surprised many don't care. I am surprised I'm the only one who seems to see it as a negative.

Don't mind me. I'll go sit in the shallow and unromantic corner.


If I came across a real person I could not touch, I agree, there'd be a problem--even just as a friend, I'm kinda touchy feely. Video game person though? Intriguing.

Assuming he is a LI, I take the hurts-when-you-touch-him thing as a hint that he and Hawke will eventually find a way to de-Lyrium him. That would be the mushy ending at least. I'd be really curious to see how it would play out if there wasn't a cure/remedy/procedure available, though. Would there be no touching, or would he grin and bear it FOR LUV?

@Occam: Cool story, bro. <3

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 24 décembre 2010 - 06:33 .


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I think "former love" adds to character depth on most occasions. I recently read Maison Ikkoku and couldn't imagine it without that aspect.

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Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...
So.

He DID have a former lover? Or no?


That comment was not specific to Fenris. I'm not saying he's a romance, or that he would even be appropriate as a romance. I wouldn't suggest trying to read behind everything I say-- or don't say, as the case may be. I find it interesting that you guys are so attached to him (as to Varric, in the other thread) but not every character is going to be a romance and not every character is going to be a Living God/Flesh Golem/Werewolf/Lost Arlathan Whatever/Demon Hybrid abomination... as if the character's evident background was't enough. Just because I don't disprove every theory doesn't make it automatically so.

Just sayin'.

Modifié par David Gaider, 24 décembre 2010 - 06:42 .


#3681
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I like the former lover stuff, I really wanted to ask Zevran what sorts of nastiness he got up to. Then again I like "vague masses of former partners" more than "named dead lover"--but in Zevran's case IIRC his "named dead lover" was part of a story that explained who he is /now/ as a person and not necessarily just a regret.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 24 décembre 2010 - 06:46 .


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Madame Rose Crimsynn

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David Gaider wrote...

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...
So.

He DID have a former lover? Or no?


That comment was not specific to Fenris. I'm not saying he's a romance, or that he would even be appropriate as a romance. I wouldn't suggest trying to read behind everything I say-- or don't say, as the case may be. I find it interesting that you guys are so attached to him (as to Varric, in the other thread) but not every character is going to be a romance and not every character is going to be a Living God/Flesh Golem/Werewolf/Lost Arlathan Whatever/Demon Hybrid abomination. Just because I don't disprove every theory doesn't make it automatically so.

Just sayin'.


Okie-dokie then, my main track curiosity is satisfied for the evening.

#3683
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David Gaider wrote...

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I agree; I really don't want to go through "former lover" crap :? heard enough of "former bedders" from Zevran <_<


I'm wondering why this sort of complaint should keep me from doing this in the future, and I really can't imagine it. My version of "fantasy romance" does not extend to "you're the only person they've ever loved or will love EVER". Sorry.

Oh, I know that XD it isn't a real problem. [EDIT]: I think, more or less, it comes from hearing about Zevran's "exploits" really. If (BIG IF) Fenris had a former lover, okay then, more depth and character ^_^ I mean, Valen had someone he loved and I'm cool with that :lol: so, I think it was more that I heard, which I feel was every five minutes, from Zevran was "former lovers" (if you could call them that :blink:) and his "exploits" ^_^" that's all

Modifié par Ex-Paladin, 24 décembre 2010 - 06:58 .


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I know I haven't commented a lot lately, I just got caught up on the thread, but I just wanted to take a moment to thank Mr. Gaider for taking the time to respond to some of our posts and for being an active member of this thread. You keep it interesting, and it is fun to theorize on your comments (although we almost always go way overboard.)<3

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Maria Caliban wrote...

I was just asking how people felt about a love interest you couldn't touch. Given that people thought Tali and Garrus were fine, I'm not surprised many don't care. I am surprised I'm the only one who seems to see it as a negative.

Don't mind me. I'll go sit in the shallow and unromantic corner.


As others have said, I think it makes things more interesting, even if you can't get a tent scene or maybe even a kiss (he has lyrium on his chin). I would actually like it if the relationship was completelly non-physical. As for Tali or Garrus, I cannot comment as I have not yet played those games.:(

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Ex-Paladin wrote...

Oh, I know that XD it isn't a real problem. [EDIT]: I think, more or less, it comes from hearing about Zevran's "exploits" really. If (BIG IF) Fenris had a former lover, okay then, more depth and character ^_^ I mean, Valen had someone he loved and I'm cool with that :lol: so, I think it was more that I heard, which I feel was every five minutes, from Zevran was "former lovers" (if you could call them that :blink:) and his "exploits" ^_^" that's all


Indeed, but David also wrote Alistier, who had no former lovers. Besides, the guy has amnesia, doesn't he?

I don't think he'll be able to tell you about all those wild exploits as he won't recall them.

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did fenris get hit with a baseball bat?

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Johnny Chaos wrote...

did fenris get hit with a baseball bat?

Something along those lines...

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what about brass knuckles?

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Johnny Chaos wrote...

what about brass knuckles?

Disrespectin' his Tevinter overseer.

#3691
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Maria Caliban wrote...

Ex-Paladin wrote...

Oh, I know that XD it isn't a real problem. [EDIT]: I think, more or less, it comes from hearing about Zevran's "exploits" really. If (BIG IF) Fenris had a former lover, okay then, more depth and character ^_^ I mean, Valen had someone he loved and I'm cool with that :lol: so, I think it was more that I heard, which I feel was every five minutes, from Zevran was "former lovers" (if you could call them that :blink:) and his "exploits" ^_^" that's all


Indeed, but David also wrote Alistier, who had no former lovers. Besides, the guy has amnesia, doesn't he?

I don't think he'll be able to tell you about all those wild exploits as he won't recall them.

True, very true :lol: I'm very tired and had a rough day, so I'm not thinking straight :P

#3692
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Ex-Paladin wrote...
so I'm not thinking straight :P


Neither was Zevran, but can you blame him? :innocent:

#3693
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David Gaider wrote...

Ex-Paladin wrote...
so I'm not thinking straight :P


Neither was Zevran, but can you blame him? :innocent:


*roflmao* :lol:

#3694
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Rogue is one of my favorite characters in fiction.  Her thing was being unable to touch anyone.  It's part of why I really like the character.

My wife and I are watching 2nd season of Dark Angel, and Max and Logan cannot touch and while it was an obvious plot device it makes for the kind of story I enjoy.

Wildfire and Dawnstar from LOSH.

Buffy and Angel, more or less.

It's a dynamic for romances that I actually enjoy quite a bit.

#3695
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David Gaider wrote...

Ex-Paladin wrote...
so I'm not thinking straight :P


Neither was Zevran, but can you blame him? :innocent:

Lmao. xD

#3696
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David Gaider wrote...

Ex-Paladin wrote...
so I'm not thinking straight :P


Neither was Zevran, but can you blame him? :innocent:

ROFL! Oh, burn on me :lol:

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I drew another pic...

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tankgirly

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@La_Duchessa , Oh, very nice. I like this one!

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tankgirly wrote...

@La_Duchessa , Oh, very nice. I like this one!

I like it much better too...

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Some Chocolate/Strawberry Timarisu, anyone ?



David, if you are still around you can grab one. I made this myself. Such a shame you are way over at Canada



I have now officially decided this shall be Fenris' favourite dessert.