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[Victia]

Tealsie wrote...

Fee-ona wrote...

I just want more romance! Was I the only person who did my romance 'parts' at the beginning of the act (or as soon as you possibly could) then spent the rest of the time going 'ho hum, can't even do funny/interesting interactions with LI until NEXT Act?

You weren't the only one.
I jumped on Fenris' quests as soon as they popped up.
...which hurt a little when I got to romancing other characters, and had to take care of their quests first.

Me too (or 3 lol)! As soon as I could I got my hawke some fenris loving (or anders in the case of my mage) and then missed him through the rest of the act ! I wish we could still kiss our li whenever we wanted or invite them over (ala ME2)

[Sherbet Lemon]

phyreblade74 wrote...

Shacary wrote...

  On discussig   the  Varania  topic  the  other day, I  must  say I am  still having a very difficult time  finding any  sympathy kindness for her, even on the arguement that  slavery was   an easier  way of life when  compared to  the struggle of  being a free woman. Her betrayal  smacks of  poison  worse than anything even Isolde could have  pulled  off....  as far as   slavery is concerned ; I cannot imagine absolute power over someone being beneficent, while I figure she had to struggle with a new freedom to provide food and what not for herself that perhaps she didnt as a slave, well, think of the sexual abuse, physical abuse slaves face, How about a beating simply becuz they were playing tag and made to much noise? that sort of thing must have happened, becuz unfortunately in my job I have seen evidence of the atrocities humans do already THE same as that on children.
  Fenris had no idea what freedom meant, only that it might mean the oppurtunity for her and their Mum to escape the brutality they had endured already and ANY more they might have. It was a gift she was given, except like Goldana she rather thought it would be like getting a gold instead of a copper. It didnt measure up to her rose colored reality. She had to have contacted Danarius when she got the letter. She seems to indicated that she recognized he had no memory after the ritual, and perhaps to salvage her guilt that may assauge her, she figured he would forget the betrayal of this pain and she would have a good world better than she hoped, while he would still be alive and without regret... knowing nothing other than the time forward from the latest mind wipe. Cuz of course that is exactly what happens to him if he is returned to Danarius..
   I view her  actions  more as  a comfortable life  for herself as more important than the lives of anyone else,  even her  brother ....   I'd  kinda  like  more insight, if it doesnt  derail the  thread LOL 

I don't think it's only slavery you have to consider, when you're considering this sort of comparison.  Because you have to think about the sheer social and cultural differences dividing the Imperium from Ferelden. 

This.

Also I would  bring up this...(with some semblence of hesitancy as I always worry I'm pulling a Godwin or something of the like...)

But-

I typically don't like to make exact real world comparisons as I tend see the events in Dragon Age more loosely resembling many, many historical events (generally), but I couldn't help but think of the period known as the Reconstruction after the American Civil War when I think about what happens when freedom is "won."  I bring this up because freedom is meaningless if people aren't given opportunities to escape the trauma of "slavery" and not only that but the inherent racism, abuse, and sheer poverty that is derived from being devalued and essentially stripped of personhood.   You could say the same of Varania and her mother.  Freedom was given to her, but it wasn't really freedom as the social stratifcation  in Tevinter makes it nearly impossible for her to attain the dream as it were.  It becomes a false dream, one that she internalizes with great bitterness.

I can't imagine her what her life must have been like, nor do I want to and it is one of many reasons why I don't let Fenris kill her.  It's always why I get a little put off when I hear people simplify the Fenris's experience as a slave as his rejecting magic by way of "one bad experience" and why I never participate in those Templar versus Mage debates.  Mages are NOT slaves and the comparison irritates me. 

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

@ Fee-ona

I do the Act II quests in a particular order (I'm a highly picky person):

Blackpowder Courtesy --> Offered and Lost --> Available side-quests (not companion quests-- and usually having to purposely *and painfully* leave Fenris if I'm going outside Kirkwall) --> *Certain* Companion Quests (usually Varric's "A Family Matter --> Merrill's "Mirror Image" --> Anders' "Dissent". Sebastian's "Duty" is also usually done somewhere in there, but because of the slow bug, I completely refused to get him on my new PT mage so I didn't have to restart her a fourth time) --> *Break to check completed quests, make sure I talked to everyone, plus grab upgrades because I'm highly forgetful* --> Grab Fenris and purposely go outside Kirkwall --> A Bitter Pill --> Go through the entire relationship/"break-up" with Fenris --> Aveline's "The Long Road" --> Prime Suspect --> All That Remains --> Following the Qun --> Demands of the Qun (with Isabela's "To Catch a Thief" beforehand, if I have her in the party)

Mainly because that's how I ordered the events in my head after my first PT, where everything was wild and completely unorganized, which drove me up the wall.

In Act III, on the other hand, Fenris's "Alone" is one of the first quests* I handle, or the last one just before I grab the letter to trigger "The Last Straw". In my head, there is no other place to put it but either at the start or near the end (however, I usually do it early so it makes sense that when I handle "A Murder of Crows" that Fenris is protective of my Hawkettes when Zevran "propositions" them). Luckily, I feel like Act III is a lot shorter, so I can quickly advance to what makes me have a squee fest: the Gallows kiss. *Thinks about it and sighs daintily*

(* Note the more I think about how I order the Act III quests is that I handle companion quests as soon as possible. Again, it's simply how I order it in my head.)

Modifié par Madame Rose Crimsynn, 15 avril 2011 - 01:07 .

[Helen0rz]

@tankgirly
The one that's like at the bottom, 2 pages back lol

[tankgirly]

Helen0rz wrote...

@tankgirly
The one that's like at the bottom, 2 pages back lol

This one?


by Maquaii

[Annarl]

^^^ WOW nice!

[niamhdannan]

Shameless self-promotion post...finished my first DA2 Fen-fic and got it posted on FFN: www.fanfiction.net/s/6905206/1/To_Belong  Yay!  Working on the second, which thankfully is writing itself pretty quickly (dancing is involved ).  The ME3 news that came out this week has got me cranking on my ME fanfic again - gotta finish it before the release date.  Eeep.  Almost wish the government had shut down and sent me home on furlough for a few days, as I could've really used the writing time.

Back to typing on the laptop with the NHL playoffs in the background - Go Wings!  Go Caps!

[legbamel]

Village Idiot wrote...

phyreblade74 wrote...
I don't think it's only slavery you have to consider, when you're considering this sort of comparison.  Because you have to think about the sheer social and cultural differences dividing the Imperium from Ferelden. 

This.

Also I would  bring up this...(with some semblence of hesitancy as I always worry I'm pulling a Godwin or something of the like...)

But-

I typically don't like to make exact real world comparisons as I tend see the events in Dragon Age more loosely resembling many, many historical events (generally), but I couldn't help but think of the period known as the Reconstruction after the American Civil War when I think about what happens when freedom is "won."  I bring this up because freedom is meaningless if people aren't given opportunities to escape the trauma of "slavery" and not only that but the inherent racism, abuse, and sheer poverty that is derived from being devalued and essentially stripped of personhood.   You could say the same of Varania and her mother.  Freedom was given to her, but it wasn't really freedom as the social stratifcation  in Tevinter makes it nearly impossible for her to attain the dream as it were.  It becomes a false dream, one that she internalizes with great bitterness.

I can't imagine her what her life must have been like, nor do I want to and it is one of many reasons why I don't let Fenris kill her.  It's always why I get a little put off when I hear people simplify the Fenris's experience as a slave as his rejecting magic by way of "one bad experience" and why I never participate in those Templar versus Mage debates.  Mages are NOT slaves and the comparison irritates me. 

The only thing that confuses me about Varania and her betrayal is actually what Fenris says when he's asking you to come with him to see her.  Perhaps I'm reading too much into his tone but when he says, "She's a tailor, actually," I hear him sounding impressed.  It comes across to me like, "My sister is an entrepreneur among those condescending human bastards and making it!" 

Then you get her protest that freedom was not a boon and I'm thinking, "Lady, you're a freakin' tailor.  What, did Danarius promise not to make you sew any more mage robes?"  <_<

[Evindell]

Sooo...this has nothing really to do with Fenris-I will admit right now-but I just got on Xbox and there was an update to download. Is this the patch? No one has said anything lately so I'm unsure. What's the news?

[Herr Uhl]

legbamel wrote...

The only thing that confuses me about Varania and her betrayal is actually what Fenris says when he's asking you to come with him to see her.  Perhaps I'm reading too much into his tone but when he says, "She's a tailor, actually," I hear him sounding impressed.  It comes across to me like, "My sister is an entrepreneur among those condescending human bastards and making it!" 

Then you get her protest that freedom was not a boon and I'm thinking, "Lady, you're a freakin' tailor.  What, did Danarius promise not to make you sew any more mage robes?"  <_<

Or maybe she just lied about that? Because prospect at being apprentice of the man that Fenris hates the most in the world might not be the thing to lure him.

[tankgirly]

Evindell wrote...

Sooo...this has nothing really to do with Fenris-I will admit right now-but I just got on Xbox and there was an update to download. Is this the patch? No one has said anything lately so I'm unsure. What's the news?

There is a patch. Fix that 'who needs rescuing? and several other things, I think.

But I thought that was PC/Mac only?

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

niamhdannan wrote...

Shameless self-promotion post...finished my first DA2 Fen-fic and got it posted on FFN: www.fanfiction.net/s/6905206/1/To_Belong  Yay!  Working on the second, which thankfully is writing itself pretty quickly (dancing is involved ).  The ME3 news that came out this week has got me cranking on my ME fanfic again - gotta finish it before the release date.  Eeep.  Almost wish the government had shut down and sent me home on furlough for a few days, as I could've really used the writing time.

Back to typing on the laptop with the NHL playoffs in the background - Go Wings!  Go Caps!

*Glares defiantly at laptop* Stupid thing is acting up and won't let me on FF.net again... 

*Glares at laptop before slamming it shut and going back to DA2*

[steph01423]

Herr Uhl wrote...

legbamel wrote...

The only thing that confuses me about Varania and her betrayal is actually what Fenris says when he's asking you to come with him to see her.  Perhaps I'm reading too much into his tone but when he says, "She's a tailor, actually," I hear him sounding impressed.  It comes across to me like, "My sister is an entrepreneur among those condescending human bastards and making it!" 

Then you get her protest that freedom was not a boon and I'm thinking, "Lady, you're a freakin' tailor.  What, did Danarius promise not to make you sew any more mage robes?"  <_<

Or maybe she just lied about that? Because prospect at being apprentice of the man that Fenris hates the most in the world might not be the thing to lure him.

^Good point. If she's game for a set-up, lying wouldn't exactly be the last thing on her mind...

[legbamel]

Herr Uhl wrote...

legbamel wrote...
The only thing that confuses me about Varania and her betrayal is actually what Fenris says when he's asking you to come with him to see her.  Perhaps I'm reading too much into his tone but when he says, "She's a tailor, actually," I hear him sounding impressed.  It comes across to me like, "My sister is an entrepreneur among those condescending human bastards and making it!" 

Then you get her protest that freedom was not a boon and I'm thinking, "Lady, you're a freakin' tailor.  What, did Danarius promise not to make you sew any more mage robes?"  <_<

Or maybe she just lied about that? Because prospect at being apprentice of the man that Fenris hates the most in the world might not be the thing to lure him.

I suppose the whole thing was porbably a set-up in so far as I don't know who the heck Fenris would have contacted to "find" her that he could trust anyway.  But In my head she's just being a **** because he cost her her big promotion.  I still can't let him kill her though.

[Evindell]

tankgirly wrote...

Evindell wrote...

Sooo...this has nothing really to do with Fenris-I will admit right now-but I just got on Xbox and there was an update to download. Is this the patch? No one has said anything lately so I'm unsure. What's the news?

There is a patch. Fix that 'who needs rescuing? and several other things, I think.

But I thought that was PC/Mac only?

Well if its only for PC/Mac then I don't know what the hell I just downloaded, though I think it would be strange that there would be an update only days before the patch everyone has been waiting for. It would be like teasing us.

[tankgirly]

@Evindell, Fenris dancing routine mod, perhaps?

[Rheia]

Bwahahaha! Okay, this is slightly more Aveline-centric with a touch of hawke-snark than Fenris, but have at it:

Author's page: here

[aliastasia]

Two questions:

* In Act II, after Bitter Pill - having flirted a little (ONCE!) in Act II with Anders, I get "Don't go>I think it'd be better for the both of us if I did" - does that mean the romance is totally broken?

* I'll probably ask in the Anders thread as well, but if you were to ask Fenris over for a romativc dinner, what would you serve?

/A

[tankgirly]

Rheia wrote...

Bwahahaha! Okay, this is slightly more Aveline-centric with a touch of hawke-snark than Fenris, but have at it:

Author's page: here

For some reason I know who that poor victim is....

@aliastasia, Orlaisian toast.

Modifié par tankgirly, 15 avril 2011 - 01:41 .

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

@Tankgirly

Oh really? You do know who the victim is?

[Evindell]

tankgirly wrote...

@Evindell, Fenris dancing routine mod, perhaps?

bahaha

But I'm on the 360. No mods for us

[steph01423]

aliastasia wrote...

Two questions:

* In Act II, after Bitter Pill - having flirted a little (ONCE!) in Act II with Anders, I get "Don't go>I think it'd be better for the both of us if I did" - does that mean the romance is totally broken?

* I'll probably ask in the Anders thread as well, but if you were to ask Fenris over for a romativc dinner, what would you serve?

/A

As to the first question, not necessarily... you have to get him far enough into friendship/rivalry and do the Questioning Beliefs quest. Then go back to your house at night. He should show up then.

And for the romantic dinner... hmm... I don't know what would actually be eaten but there would be lots and lots of wine involved.

[tankgirly]

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

@Tankgirly

Oh really? You do know who the victim is?

Someone from Harry Potter.

[aliastasia]

"@aliastasia, Orlaisian toast."

- with or without feather boa? 

@Steph - He did show up - I was just surprised there was no friendly or angry wall secks  - he left with "it's better for us both if I left"- or something  on my "Don't go"

/A

Modifié par aliastasia, 15 avril 2011 - 01:48 .

[Helen0rz]

tankgirly wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

@tankgirly
The one that's like at the bottom, 2 pages back lol

This one?
[snip]

by Maquaii

YESSS!!! :wub::wub:

Village Idiot wrote...
I typically don't like to make exact real world comparisons as I tend see the events in Dragon Age more loosely resembling many, many historical events (generally), but I couldn't help but think of the period known as the Reconstruction after the American Civil War when I think about what happens when freedom is "won."  I bring this up because freedom is meaningless if people aren't given opportunities to escape the trauma of "slavery" and not only that but the inherent racism, abuse, and sheer poverty that is derived from being devalued and essentially stripped of personhood.   You could say the same of Varania and her mother.  Freedom was given to her, but it wasn't really freedom as the social stratifcation  in Tevinter makes it nearly impossible for her to attain the dream as it were.  It becomes a false dream, one that she internalizes with great bitterness. 

I can't imagine her what her life must have been like, nor do I want to and it is one of many reasons why I don't let Fenris kill her.  It's always why I get a little put off when I hear people simplify the Fenris's experience as a slave as his rejecting magic by way of "one bad experience" and why I never participate in those Templar versus Mage debates.  Mages are NOT slaves and the comparison irritates me.  

Agreed.

However, I will say though...it depends on the story itself and how it is written. In this case, where it seems like the situation is mirroring real life events (like you said), it's kinda hard for me not to compare/analize this without relating it to some RL experiences.

legbamel wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

legbamel wrote...
The only thing that confuses me about Varania and her betrayal is actually what Fenris says when he's asking you to come with him to see her.  Perhaps I'm reading too much into his tone but when he says, "She's a tailor, actually," I hear him sounding impressed.  It comes across to me like, "My sister is an entrepreneur among those condescending human bastards and making it!"  

Then you get her protest that freedom was not a boon and I'm thinking, "Lady, you're a freakin' tailor.  What, did Danarius promise not to make you sew any more mage robes?"  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Or maybe she just lied about that? Because prospect at being apprentice of the man that Fenris hates the most in the world might not be the thing to lure him.

I suppose the whole thing was porbably a set-up in so far as I don't know who the heck Fenris would have contacted to "find" her that he could trust anyway.  But In my head she's just being a **** because he cost her her big promotion.  I still can't let him kill her though.

I think her occupation is not a lie, or at least it won't matter either way. She is a tailor, but I'm sure it is something that's not making her lots of money, barely get by...and what Danarius is offering is something that has social status and power...something she can never have as an elf/tailor. You know, it's like that social status that Village Idiot said, perhaps she will not have the amount of respect Danarius will ever have, but the prospect of that idea is beyonf tempting for someone who's having a pretty bad life