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[Dave of Canada]

Now I'm imagining Hawke walking in the Deep Roads using Fenris for a lightsource...

[HolyJellyfish]

@Dave That's the running joke we've had

[IndigoWolfe]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Now I'm imagining Hawke walking in the Deep Roads using Fenris for a lightsource...

Just bend him and shake!

[Dr. Doctor]

Fenris' lyrium brands might not emit light by themselves. They might work like this But that's just my theroy.

[bsbcaer]

First, not fair that this got tacked and others didn't (guess that 's what you get for being a thread started by a Dev



Second, so is Fenris just the Thedas equivilent to a lightbright?

[HolyJellyfish]

I'm not sure WHY it is even tacked. Earlier it wasn't. Speculation is that there maybe an announcement or something was said in the thread that requires attention. I don't know.



Secondly - Oh yes. Oh very much yes. He maybe a walking flash light. There are many jokes to be had about getting him to take his shirt off.

[Heretical]

Just snap him like a glow stick then have Varric carry him. They both look like they could use some brotherly bonding.

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

Heretical wrote...

Just snap him like a glow stick then have Varric carry him. They both look like they could use some brotherly bonding.

Owie. That probably hurts more then poking. 

Let's just shake him. Very nicely. 

*Lowers head and goes back into corner*

[Away]

Heretical wrote...

Just snap him like a glow stick then have Varric carry him. They both look like they could use some brotherly bonding.

Pfff, now we need a Varric+Fenris bromance.

Fenris: I'm beginning to feel self concious about this whole shirt off thing but I don't know why...
Varric: Your problem is that you don't have this *busts open shirt to reveal chest hair* But don't worry, some women like the hairless type.
Fenris: (looks slightly disturbed)...suddenly I feel better about this.
Varric: Any time my friend, any time.

[Sanctuary74]

Did Psuedo ever do the shake-and-light-up Fenris?

[Ramante]

bsbcaer wrote...
Second, so is Fenris just the Thedas equivilent to a lightbright?

Has anyone here seen the movie 'The Princess and the Frog'?
Talking about Fenris as a light source reminds me of the firefly Ray with his 'Don't make me light my butt.'.

Is there any information about the magister, is it a he/she, old/young, anything?

[MarginalBeast]

David Gaider wrote...

Ex-Paladin wrote...
I agree; I really don't want to go through "former lover" crap heard enough of "former bedders" from Zevran <_<

I'm wondering why this sort of complaint should keep me from doing this in the future, and I really can't imagine it. My version of "fantasy romance" does not extend to "you're the only person they've ever loved or will love EVER". Sorry.

I'm pretty sure no one expects you to cave to their wishes. I think most of us are just tired of it. It's been a part of so many (mostly male, so far) LIs that it's just...old. I don't think anyone cares that people have had past relationships before, it's just that they really don't need to talk about them so much. Most people that I know of in real life don't, but I suppose you might have had very different experiences.

Also, I feel the need to mention that not everyone falls in love by the time they're expected to. Many people can live for years without ever falling in love, or having sex (although that's less likely) even if they've dated before. Alistair was a breath of fresh air in that respect. Not every boyfriend or girlfriend someone has is going to be the love of their life. In fact, most of them probably won't be. Sometimes it just doesn't happen. I don't believe a lack of past loves for a LI is as unrealistic as everyone thinks, and I don't think it should be seen as some kind of abnormal negative thing. Of course, I'm not saying it should be the case for every LI either.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 24 décembre 2010 - 07:25 .

[Dr. Doctor]

We don't really know much about the magister. I picture him as a more affably evil person, not the "I tortured Fenris because I'm evil" kind of person.



Said magister would be preferably voiced by Stephen Fry.

[Away]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

We don't really know much about the magister. I picture him as a more affably evil person, not the "I tortured Fenris because I'm evil" kind of person.

Said magister would be preferably voiced by Stephen Fry.

Oh, now that's good as far as VAs go.

I also don't see him as doing it for the lulz, just more of a "well someone had to see what would happen, and it's not as if I've hurt anyone," because well, to slave owners, slaves are not people.

[ankuu]

slimgrin wrote...

I'm surprised you folks aren't posting some Christmas themed Fenris pics.

A little disappointed as I'm sure he works for Santa.

Well i did post something...it's not a drawing but i don't have skills for that sadly ^^""

[Dr. Doctor]

One theory I have for what Fenris might have been transformed for is a key into the Black City.



-The Tevinter Magisters of old somehow got into the Golden City before they became Darkspawn. So the information on how they made it in could still exist.



-Who or whatever is inside the Black City could hold the key to ending the Darkspawn for good, or perhaps the key to obtaining the power of the Old Gods themselves.



-No one since the original magisters have been able to make it into the city, so it could take tremendous amounts of magical power just to get there. Fenris could work like a massive lyrium battery that could provide that power.



- There could be demons and god knows what else in the City, because Fenris can't remember much of anything about his past, it would be incredibly difficult for demons to prey upon him. Thus he could act as a bodyguard for his master as he explored the city.



-From what we get from Cassandra in the trailer, the world is on the brink of war. The separate nations of Thedas are all united by one common thread: The Chantry, they maintain this hold on the population by preaching that the Maker will return and rebuild the Golden City for his followers to live in. If someone was to enter the city, only to find that it isn't a construct of the Maker, then the Chantry's dominion over Thedas would break causing war to break out.

[FaeTian]

MarginalBeast wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Ex-Paladin wrote...
I agree; I really don't want to go through "former lover" crap heard enough of "former bedders" from Zevran <_<

I'm wondering why this sort of complaint should keep me from doing this in the future, and I really can't imagine it. My version of "fantasy romance" does not extend to "you're the only person they've ever loved or will love EVER". Sorry.

I'm pretty sure no one expects you to cave to their wishes. I think most of us are just tired of it. It's been a part of so many (mostly male, so far) LIs that it's just...old. I don't think anyone cares that people have had past relationships before, it's just that they really don't need to talk about them so much. Most people that I know of in real life don't, but I suppose you might have had very different experiences.

Also, I feel the need to mention that not everyone falls in love by the time they're expected to. Many people can live for years without ever falling in love, or having sex (although that's less likely) even if they've dated before. Alistair was a breath of fresh air in that respect. Not every boyfriend or girlfriend someone has is going to be the love of their life. In fact, most of them probably won't be. Sometimes it just doesn't happen. I don't believe a lack of past loves for a LI is as unrealistic as everyone thinks, and I don't think it should be seen as some kind of abnormal negative thing. Of course, I'm not saying it should be the case for every LI either.

Couldn't have said it better myself! 

[HolyJellyfish]

FaeTian wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Ex-Paladin wrote...
I agree; I really don't want to go through "former lover" crap heard enough of "former bedders" from Zevran <_<

I'm wondering why this sort of complaint should keep me from doing this in the future, and I really can't imagine it. My version of "fantasy romance" does not extend to "you're the only person they've ever loved or will love EVER". Sorry.

I'm pretty sure no one expects you to cave to their wishes. I think most of us are just tired of it. It's been a part of so many (mostly male, so far) LIs that it's just...old. I don't think anyone cares that people have had past relationships before, it's just that they really don't need to talk about them so much. Most people that I know of in real life don't, but I suppose you might have had very different experiences.

Also, I feel the need to mention that not everyone falls in love by the time they're expected to. Many people can live for years without ever falling in love, or having sex (although that's less likely) even if they've dated before. Alistair was a breath of fresh air in that respect. Not every boyfriend or girlfriend someone has is going to be the love of their life. In fact, most of them probably won't be. Sometimes it just doesn't happen. I don't believe a lack of past loves for a LI is as unrealistic as everyone thinks, and I don't think it should be seen as some kind of abnormal negative thing. Of course, I'm not saying it should be the case for every LI either.

Couldn't have said it better myself! 

I disagree on some level with this argument. The former love past thing never bothered me when it came to certain characters (Thane was an odd one. Teenage son? No thanks.). I often appreciate this detail. It hinted that these tragic characters are familiar with real love unlike other characters who come across as inexperienced and infatuated.

When Zevran, who really lost the love of his life, tells me he loves me and is unsure because of recent events, I am completely baffled. Of all the deep and shallow relationships he has had - he knows, for a fact, that he is in love. Without a doubt.

That is powerful.

Compare this to Alistair, who has never been in love, never experienced it, doesn't understand it, and says that he has never felt this away about your character and claims to be 'in love'. How does he know he is in love? There is no experience to base this on. No past relationships to compare and contrast. Nothing. Just a deep feeling he may or may not have.

That is a weak argument.

I love Alistair and Zevran equally, don't get me wrong. In my experience with relationships and friends within my social network, that is how we often determine who we are in love with and how. Contrasting and comparing the current relationship with ones in the past. It tells us how serious and casual the connection is. When you don't have experience, you do not really know at all, and it is usually doomed (not always, but usually).

This is why I don't take issue with ex-wives/lovers/former/etc. If a character has this history, I don't know if people should be frustrated or irritated with the issue. Take it as a deep seated compliment - They know exactly what romance entails and what love is defined by.

my two cents

Modifié par HolyJellyfish, 24 décembre 2010 - 09:28 .

[RGC_Ines]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

 I don't know if people should be frustrated or irritated with the issue....

I will tell You why I don't want another " ex-girlfriend" LI again..Becouse Im simple tired by this..Im female player and usually my characters are hetero females and look what we have:
-BG2-Anomen-dead sister and father, fortunetly not dead ex-girlfriend
-NWN2-Arain Gend-dead girlfriend
-HotU-Valen-dead girlfriend
-KoTor-Carth-dead wife
-Jade Empire-Sky-dead wife
-Mass Effect-Kaidan- his girlfriend had luck and is still alive-probably
-Mass Effect 2-Thane and of course dead wife
-Dragon Age-Zevran and dead girlfriend
As You see, usually male LI for us, female players have dead wifes, girlfriends etc. I don't argue, that potential LI have his past and was in love earlier, Im just tired of those ghosts behind them....

Modifié par RGC_Ines, 24 décembre 2010 - 09:43 .

[Minxie]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

FaeTian wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Ex-Paladin wrote...
I agree; I really don't want to go through "former lover" crap heard enough of "former bedders" from Zevran <_<

I'm wondering why this sort of complaint should keep me from doing this in the future, and I really can't imagine it. My version of "fantasy romance" does not extend to "you're the only person they've ever loved or will love EVER". Sorry.

I'm pretty sure no one expects you to cave to their wishes. I think most of us are just tired of it. It's been a part of so many (mostly male, so far) LIs that it's just...old. I don't think anyone cares that people have had past relationships before, it's just that they really don't need to talk about them so much. Most people that I know of in real life don't, but I suppose you might have had very different experiences.

Also, I feel the need to mention that not everyone falls in love by the time they're expected to. Many people can live for years without ever falling in love, or having sex (although that's less likely) even if they've dated before. Alistair was a breath of fresh air in that respect. Not every boyfriend or girlfriend someone has is going to be the love of their life. In fact, most of them probably won't be. Sometimes it just doesn't happen. I don't believe a lack of past loves for a LI is as unrealistic as everyone thinks, and I don't think it should be seen as some kind of abnormal negative thing. Of course, I'm not saying it should be the case for every LI either.

Couldn't have said it better myself! 

I disagree on some level with this argument. The former love past thing never bothered me when it came to certain characters (Thane was an odd one. Teenage son? No thanks.). I often appreciate this detail. It hinted that these tragic characters are familiar with real love unlike other characters who come across as inexperienced and infatuated.

When Zevran, who really lost the love of his life, tells me he loves me and is unsure because of recent events, I am completely baffled. Of all the deep and shallow relationships he has had - he knows, for a fact, that he is in love. Without a doubt.

That is powerful.

Compare this to Alistair, who has never been in love, never experienced it, doesn't understand it, and says that he has never felt this away about your character and claims to be 'in love'. How does he know he is in love? There is no experience to base this on. No past relationships to compare and contrast. Nothing. Just a deep feeling he may or may not have.

That is a weak argument.

I love Alistair and Zevran equally, don't get me wrong. In my experience with relationships and friends within my social network, that is how we often determine who we are in love with and how. Contrasting and comparing the current relationship with ones in the past. It tells us how serious and casual the connection is. When you don't have experience, you do not really know at all, and it is usually doomed (not always, but usually).

This is why I don't take issue with ex-wives/lovers/former/etc. If a character has this history, I don't know if people should be frustrated or irritated with the issue. Take it as a deep seated compliment - They know exactly what romance entails and what love is defined by.

my two cents

Excellent points, and I agree with them. There's nothing wrong with LIs who had other great loves in their life, and sometimes they are indeed more compelling than an LI who's never loved anyone else before your PC.

I suppose the real issue people have problems with is what legbamel pointed out earlier:

My version of the complaint goes like this:
"I don't expect you to have been chaste and to avoid all affection after I'm gone.  But if you've got baggage that requires me to take you to your lover's tombstone/old apartment/last known workplace then you should work those out before I'm going to be interested in talking to you.  And if you compare me to her then I'm going to turn my attention elsewhere."

It isn't that I expect an LI to never have had another relationship.  I completely agree that's foolish (though corrupting Alistair was kind of fun).  But having a traumatic ending or someone they're clearly not over makes them less of an LI and you more of a "rebound" relationship.  That's definitely NOT my fantasy.

With Zevran, his tales didn't bother me because they were a part of who he was.  He didn't wax poetic about one person or tell me stories that started with, "The way you dispatched that ogre reminded me of how she used
to..."  Exes are fine.  Obsessions are not.

'Rebound' and 'obsessions' are the key words here. Basically we don't want the romance to feel like it can never measure up to what that character has already had before.

I hope Fenris doesn't say anything like, "I'm so glad I found you, Hawke - it's like having HER back!"

Modifié par Minxie18, 24 décembre 2010 - 09:47 .

[Liyros]

@ Holy I agree with your thoughts regarding Zevran; it's why I prefer his romance. He seems more genuine in his feelings, but that's just imo.

I just take issue when it's obvious the significant other continues to bring up their past love. It's why the Thane romance peeved me a little. Though at least with him, I was able to reason that this was his dead wife and mother of his son; it'd be more weird and frankly off-putting not to mention her at all. His dossier in LOTSB was pretty poignant too.

I just hope I'm not left as bummed with Fenris if he is indeed a LI. It shows that Thane's romance resonated with me since it left me sad and frowny-faced. But jeez..hopefully there's options for different branches the romance can take like in DAO. That'd be neat.

Also adding my two cents :]

Modifié par Saslic, 24 décembre 2010 - 09:44 .

[Heretical]

Minxie18 wrote...


I hope Fenris doesn't say anything like: "I'm so glad I found you, Hawke - it's like having HER back!"

Now that is an award winning piece of dialogue.

[Sanctuary74]

I agree with HolyJellyfish, while the ex-lover or whatever does get bothersome, most characters are atleast 24+, and alot of them are way older than 24. So it's natural that they would have old lovers. Maybe not dead ones, but old lovers yes.

[HolyJellyfish]

RGC_Ines wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

 I don't know if people should be frustrated or irritated with the issue....

I will tell You why I don't want another " ex-girlfriend" LI again..Becouse Im simple tired by this..Im female player and usually my characters are hetero females and look what we have:
-BG2-Anomen-dead sister and father, fortunetly not dead ex-girlfriend
-NWN2-Arain Gend-dead girlfriend
-HotU-Valen-dead girlfriend
-KoTor-Carth-dead wife
-Jade Empire-Sky-dead wife
-Mass Effect-Kaidan- his girlfriend had luck and is still alive-probably
-Mass Effect 2-Thane and of course dead wife
-Dragon Age-Zevran and dead girlfriend
As You see, usually male LI for us, female players have dead wifes, girlfriends etc. I don't argue, that potential LI have his past and was in love earlier, Im just tired of those ghosts behind them....

I've never played Bioware games outside of ME + DA. Perhaps it is a trope.

If Aveline is an LI as everyone is speculating, I think the grounds are becoming a bit even. If it happens it happens. I typically don't let this detail drag the story. And for the most part, even though the characters I've encountered had ghosts (Zevran + Thane), I quite enjoyed supporting and helping them let go. And they do let go.

[Minxie]

Heretical wrote...

Minxie18 wrote...


I hope Fenris doesn't say anything like: "I'm so glad I found you, Hawke - it's like having HER back!"

Now that is an award winning piece of dialogue.

I hope you don't think I was being literal. It's really that I don't want Hawke to be compared in any way to old flames/dead lovers.