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[Hekateras]

+1 to Friendmance. As has been stated before, the conversation after Alone seems a lot better in the Rivalmance, what with him being so much more brutally honest about himself and his own mistakes, but I second the notion that a relationship based on warm fuzzies as opposed to belligerence seems better for Fen's peace of mind. ^^

Oh, and naturally:



How can it still be so hilarious? XD

Modifié par Hekateras, 18 avril 2011 - 05:05 .

[Tealsie]

Helen0rz wrote...

I prefer Friendmance too so +1

+2
Prefer friendmance, except for the talk after "Alone". so much better with a rivalmance.

Elton John is dead wrote...

Hmmm. I'm trying to decide what's more disturbing. The Anders' thread or this thread...I don't think Fenris would approve of this thread.

There are things in both threads that the respective characters would not approve of, I think. At the very least, there are things(discussions, jokes, pictures) that would make either character facepalm most magnificently.

@ Hekateras: Whenever someone posts that gif, m!Hawke's "it can be alot to take in" line comes to mind.

Modifié par Tealsie, 18 avril 2011 - 05:08 .

[Sue]

add me as prefer friendmance as well. as well as the Alone comment.

[Ladivixxen]

LOL yes...yes... I'm sure that after seeing all of our twisted little imaginations working on him, Fenris may just consider running the other direction!

[Rheia]

Ahh, friendship path invasion! To arms, to arms

Hehe, don't mind me. I'm a rivalry fan, through and through. What sells it for me (other than my personal preference for the overall feel of the path), is how poignant the conclusion of it feels, that despite all the arguments and ideologiacal differences, which probably will always be there, they stay together. I kind of picture Hawke and Fenris balancing each other's extremes out, in the long run.

Modifié par Rheia, 18 avril 2011 - 05:30 .

[Evindell]

Sue wrote...

add me as prefer friendmance as well. as well as the Alone comment.

Like I said, though I do enjoy the friendmance, I must agree that the rivalry conversation after Alone is fairly awesome. But both conversations are different enough that I see the merits of both.

Because I deleted all of my old saves from before the patch came out-and I haven't reached that point in my current playthroug-I can't exactly recall what exactly he says, but you can ask if he still blames magic for all that's happened, after Alone, and he goes on a mini-rant. I don't know if it changes vaguely for other classes, but there's one part where it almost sounded to me like he blamed all the evil mages in the world for the way my Hawke has to live. As if he were angry at them for ruining any chance I had at a normal life. Now, I don't mean to say he expresses those words exactly. In fact, all he says is one short line (something like, "Look what happened to your mother. Look at how you've had to live."). This line could be the same even if Hawke is not a mage, since their life would still be hard needing to hide and care for Bethany, but it meant so much more to me when I was a mage. I read waaay to much into things, though.

Even though this dialogue with Merrill happens regardless of whether or not you romance Fenris, I always kind of thought of it in terms of his and Hawke's relationship.

• Merrill: Poor Anders.
• Fenris: You pity him? He's dangerous to himself and everyone around him.
• Merrill: I think he's broken the thing he wanted to save.
• Fenris: You pity him because he's you.
• Merrill: Breaking the things you love most isn't restricted to mages, Fenris.
• Fenris: Sadly true.

And the dialogue had the added bonus of making me feel sorry for Anders. The dude just can't catch a break

Like I said: I read waaay too much into things, and should be ignored.

[Hekateras]

Rheia, I know what you mean but I feel that it happens either way. In the Friendmance, it's just... softer. He provides his side of things, you counterbalance it with your own, which may be vastly different. My (rogue) Hawke was mostly pro-mage, in moderation, and I still wound up with a full friendship score in Act II despite taking Fenris with me everywhere. It helped that I didn't do radical things, e.g. I refused to murder Ser Thrask.

So it felt more like it were two people genuinely loving each other in spite of certain qualities they didn't agree with, rather than some compromise with water and fire violently neutralising each other.

Modifié par Hekateras, 18 avril 2011 - 05:34 .

[Aeryn-Sun]

I married into an established rivalry romance of my own nearly ten years ago, so I prefer the contentious path in all things apparently. ;p And maybe that's why I appreciate it - I know firsthand that fighting and arguing and massive perceptional differences don't doom a relationship, and I see nothing inherently "toxic" about such a relationship at all.

[Dr. Doctor]

I personally like the Friendmance with Fenris, but I can't make every friend-point gaining choice with it. I personally have Fenris spare his sister nine times out of ten. This is mostly because I like what Hawke has to say about Carver/Bethany after that exchange.

[Evindell]

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

I married into an established rivalry romance of my own nearly ten years ago, so I prefer the contentious path in all things apparently. ;p And maybe that's why I appreciate it - I know firsthand that fighting and arguing and massive perceptional differences don't doom a relationship, and I see nothing inherently "toxic" about such a relationship at all.

Oh, I know what you mean. I didn't marry into one, but I've been with my boyfriend for six years and our relationship is actually stronger when we argue, because I don't want to be coddled, and neither does he. Even when we're fighting I know that our arguments are never meant to hurt, we just...have very different viewpoints. We've come from majorly different backgrounds: including country of origin, financial means, and religious beliefs. But I think that's why I like the friendmance better with Fenris. I want something that's different than what I have in real life. I'll fight with my boyfriend, and cuddle with Fenris. (Not that there isn't cuddling with my boyfriend, but I digress...)

Whenever someone puts something in quotes I always feel as if they are...insulted (almost? I don't know how else to describe it) by something I've said. So I apologize if you took offense. Toxic was the only word I could think of at the moment, without describing exactly what I meant, which might have taken a paragraph. lol

Modifié par Evindell, 18 avril 2011 - 05:52 .

[Helen0rz]

@Elton John is dead

You're right, Fenris would not approve this thread
And Anders thread is more creepy

[Aeryn-Sun]

Evindell wrote...

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

I married into an established rivalry romance of my own nearly ten years ago, so I prefer the contentious path in all things apparently. ;p And maybe that's why I appreciate it - I know firsthand that fighting and arguing and massive perceptional differences don't doom a relationship, and I see nothing inherently "toxic" about such a relationship at all.

Oh, I know what you mean. I didn't marry into one, but I've been with my boyfriend for six years and our relationship is actually stronger when we argue, because I don't want to be coddled, and neither does he. Even when we're fighting I know that our arguments are never meant to hurt, we just...have very different viewpoints. We've come from majorly different backgrounds: including country of origin, financial means, and religious beliefs. But I think that's why I like the friendmance better with Fenris. I want something that's different than what I have in real life. I'll fight with my boyfriend, and cuddle with Fenris. (Not that there isn't cuddling with my boyfriend, but I digress...)

Whenever someone puts something in quotes I always feel as if they are...insulted (almost? I don't know how else to describe it) by something I've said. So I apologize if you took offense. Toxic was the only word I could think of at the moment, without describing exactly what I meant, which might have taken a paragraph. lol

Oh, no, I only put it in quotes because it was a word that I remembered seeing in the last few pages but couldn't remember where (read: was too lazy to look for). Not insulted! I do tend to associate "toxic relationship" with things like domestic abuse and/or enabling, so I won't lie, the term does make me cringe. But I wasn't taking personal affront to it or anything like that.

[UrsulaCousland]

Another Friendmance fan here! (one who hates posting from her phone, but there it is. )

[Evindell]

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

Evindell wrote...

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

I married into an established rivalry romance of my own nearly ten years ago, so I prefer the contentious path in all things apparently. ;p And maybe that's why I appreciate it - I know firsthand that fighting and arguing and massive perceptional differences don't doom a relationship, and I see nothing inherently "toxic" about such a relationship at all.

Oh, I know what you mean. I didn't marry into one, but I've been with my boyfriend for six years and our relationship is actually stronger when we argue, because I don't want to be coddled, and neither does he. Even when we're fighting I know that our arguments are never meant to hurt, we just...have very different viewpoints. We've come from majorly different backgrounds: including country of origin, financial means, and religious beliefs. But I think that's why I like the friendmance better with Fenris. I want something that's different than what I have in real life. I'll fight with my boyfriend, and cuddle with Fenris. (Not that there isn't cuddling with my boyfriend, but I digress...)

Whenever someone puts something in quotes I always feel as if they are...insulted (almost? I don't know how else to describe it) by something I've said. So I apologize if you took offense. Toxic was the only word I could think of at the moment, without describing exactly what I meant, which might have taken a paragraph. lol

Oh, no, I only put it in quotes because it was a word that I remembered seeing in the last few pages but couldn't remember where (read: was too lazy to look for). Not insulted! I do tend to associate "toxic relationship" with things like domestic abuse and/or enabling, so I won't lie, the term does make me cringe. But I wasn't taking personal affront to it or anything like that.

 Ok. Good. And I must agree, toxic does make me think of especially bad relationships, but sometimes you run with the first word your mind gives you. lol

P.S. Everytime I'm in the middle of a conversation and I see the red scarf around Fenris' wrist, I die of happiness a little bit inside. <3

[Victia]

@evindell, I love that conversation :-), fits so well with the romance (even though you get it otherwise)

Also what you said ursulaCousland :-D

[Evindell]

Victia wrote...

@evindell, I love that conversation :-), fits so well with the romance (even though you get it otherwise)

Also what you said ursulaCousland :-D

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought so

[Fruit of the Doom]

Question:

Let Fenris kill Varania or convince him to spare her?

[Evindell]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Question:

Let Fenris kill Varania or convince him to spare her?

Do you want to know more about Fenris? If you do, spare her. You can always reload and kill her afterwards.

[Sherbet Lemon]

I go back and forth between friend and rival as a favorite.  I see the benefits of both, but for me there was something really honest about the way my mage rivalry romance worked that I didn't feel in my friendship version of a mage play through (and I didn't game the system in either game for both of those romances).  I really, really, appreciate that conversation that Fenris and Hawke have after "Alone" in that his ownership of letting go of that corrosive hatred is so very important.  I think that's the kind parity Fenris needs to have in order to let go.

I don't know if I agree about the notion of peace of mind.  As long as Fenris holds onto that bitterness, he will never have peace of mind.  Part of reconciling one's issues is to accept the good with the bad.  On the rivalry path, we get that acknowledgement.  With friendship, he says he will move on, but I don't get sense that he has come to face that bitterness hence the reason why you get the "still blaming magic question" in friendship convo and you don't get that same question in the rivalry conversation.  It seems to be him taking ownership of his part to play in all of this which is healthier for peace of mind in the long run.

Sometimes, Fenris can be a real turd.  I like that in some instances, we can challenge him on it.  That's not toxicity, that's honesty and in Varania's case he comes out the better for it. (That could come back to bite Hawke/Fenris in the bottom later though I hope not...*wibble*

EDIT: And I prefer the glowy romance scene for friendship.  I didn't like it for rivalry.  It made me uncomfortable.  I prefer that he comes to you on rivalry path later.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 18 avril 2011 - 06:49 .

[Tealsie]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Question:

Let Fenris kill Varania or convince him to spare her?

Depends upon the person.
For me: depends on which Hawke I'm playing. Some spare her, some don't.
There can be good and bad points to either desicion depending on how you look at it...

[Fruit of the Doom]

Just curious, because I was going to spare her and expected Fenris to do the same when I let him decide.

I was shocked when he made her internal organs explode!

[Annarl]

I have always Friendmance Fenris. (Try saying that fast) Having never tried the rivalry path with him I might try it with my next female mage. It would fit... I guess. I always end up his friend path. I just like that elf too much.

[Sherbet Lemon]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Question:

Let Fenris kill Varania or convince him to spare her?

Since I tend to play lawful good/ chaotic good characters, Varania is always spared.

Outside of Hawke, my personal feeling is that she should be spared.  She's his sister.  Sometimes it's better just to let things go.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 18 avril 2011 - 06:45 .

[Annarl]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Just curious, because I was going to spare her and expected Fenris to do the same when I let him decide.

I was shocked when he made her internal organs explode!

I've only spared her once in four playthroughs (2 in romances with Fenris and 2 just friends).  I generally end up letting Fenris make the decision.  But it could be interesting if the sister makes a return appearance.

[Hekateras]

I'm conflicted about sparing Varania. It... doesn't seem just. A future magister and thus implicitly bloodmage and slave-keeper, who'd need to be a complete monster to survive among other complete monsters.... If it were anyone else, someone we ran into on a quest, I know Fenris would kill such a person without hesitation or cause for remorse, and I wouldn't disagree much. For him to spare Varania in spite of the additional cause of a personal betrayal just because they share blood... like I said, it doesn't seem just. There's also the fact that, if she's betrayed him once, there's nothing stopping her from being a danger to him in the future by selling him out - how many magisters would love to have a lyrium warrior at their beck and call?

Still, I usually spare her to spare him potential anguish over kinslaying. I just don't pick the "She's your sister" argument to do it.

Modifié par Hekateras, 18 avril 2011 - 07:02 .