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[NugWrangler]

There needed to be an option to take Varania in to custody. She's an apostate, possibly a blood mage, and an accomplice to an attempted kidnapping and murder. Being Fenris's sister isn't enough for me to let her have a free pass. Since I can't just let her go killing her is the second best option.

Ideally I would have wanted to give her over to the circle to be made tranquil. Then Fenris could question her about his past as much as he wanted.

[Annarl]

I don't know if this was posted by anyone but I thought it was great work! It's by JustAnor I love the expression. 

Modifié par omearaee, 18 avril 2011 - 07:31 .

[Ladivixxen]

I like!

[Dr. Doctor]

What I would have liked is a little bit of dialogue with Fenris about sparing his sister after that scene. But I can see why it might not have been in there, its not exactly integral to the main plot.

Fenris: Why, why did I let you stop me? She will just go back to the Imperium and seek out a new master.

Hawke: She's your sister.

Fenris: And I suppose that will matter to those that she subjugates as a Magister?

Hawke: Is that all you can think about? 'Magic this, magic that, oh woe is me!' You have friends, people who care about you and yet here you are grousing about magic!

Fenris: I thought you understood my opinion of magic.

Hawke: I do, but she's your sister, whether you like it or not she's got her own opinions and beliefs. Maker knows that I don't like Carver's decision to join the Templars but its his decision.

Fenris: Carver never sold you out to the Templars.

Hawke: But I never threatened to kill him for joining them.

Fenris: (sighs) You're impossible.

Hawke: As are you. But I wouldn't have it any other way.

Fenris: Agreed.

[Shacary]

Ya I only spare Varania about 30% of time, and its cuz I did w anna hear the other options, but I agree with Hekataras about her possible deception/evil [ idk if that the right word bear with me] potential to inflict harm on many peeps. I usually kill her just cuz she reminds me of sinister Goldana /Isolde . and I really wanted to kill Goldana, or failing that smack her face.
OO I luv friendmance best, But I enjoyed the rivalry too... mb im converting.. Also Does anyone else have a hard time choosing the red hand answers? I really want to play a jerk toon but I cant pull it off... GAH! I had same problem in DAO I would say this time I AM going to keep the anvil... but I never do cuz i love shale. Like in Fable, I always end up with the halo on my head .. while shooting for the devils horns!!!

Modifié par Shacary, 18 avril 2011 - 07:57 .

[Hekateras]

Pfaugh. I agree with BPearl - being a blood relation shouldn't make you deserve special treatment.

The dialogue itself is excellent though, Dr. Doctor.

[Ladivixxen]

Shacary wrote...

Ya I only spare Varania about 30% of time, and its cuz I did w anna hear the other options, but I agree with Hekataras about her possible deception/evil [ idk if that the right word bear with me] potential to inflict harm on many peeps. I usually kill her just cuz she reminds me of sinister Goldana /Isolde . and I really wanted to kill Goldana, or failing that smack her face.
OO I luv friendmance best, But I enjoyed the rivalry too... mb im converting.. Also Does anyone else have a hard time choosing the red hand answers? I really want to play a jerk toon but I cant pull it off... GAH! I had same problem in DAO I would say this time I AM going to keep the anvil... but I never do cuz i love shale. Like in Fable, I always end up with the halo on my head .. while shooting for the devils horns!!!

Don't get me wrong, I like them both! Rivalmance has its hot points and so does friendmance; but overall I'm friendmance. Now if some of those were together and mix that into a scene....*whew*

Sometimes, I find myself wishing for a scene with Fenris like we had with Zev...

[sushismygen]

omearaee wrote...

I have always Friendmance Fenris. (Try saying that fast) Having never tried the rivalry path with him I might try it with my next female mage. It would fit... I guess. I always end up his friend path. I just like that elf too much.

You should try it "for science" if no better reason comes to mind 
Rivalry isn't a bad thing. He doesn't love you less, he just doesn't always agree with you that's all.
I was affraid to try it myself but once it was done I was glad I gave it a shot. The difference isn't that big and it lies mainly in a few different dialogue options. As many of us agreed here, he has a really great line after "Alone" quest if rivalmanced. I still like friendmance better but it was nice to see a different side to Fenris on a rival path.

[Shacary]

@Ladyvixxen, same I usually take the friendmance way. I too wish there was some Zev moments, In Dao I had two awesome dudes to romance in Da2, only Fenris gets the bump... that sounded better in my head LOL

[Rheia]

Eh. Red isn't always a 'jerk' response. I choose quite a few direct dialogs with Fenris when I feel they are appropriate. Oftentimes, red options are just more direct, not walking on eggshells kind of truth. In Fenris case I remember I particularly like the tone of the dialog that results from 'I started a life here' during the first time you come to see him.

Hawke: "You surivive and you move on... what else do you want?"
Fenris: "Something else, something different... so should you."

Partly, I like it because I feel that it's one of the moments where Fenris gets under Hawke's skin. It just feels like his reproach would stay with Hawke, something that would make him/her reflect on what makes life worth living.

Or the one during bitter pill:
Hawke: "Admit it, you just wanted to kill her"
Hawke: "You may not wear chains anymore. But you are still a slave."
There, it  feels like Hawke is stating the demons Fenris needs to face, and there is little reason to sugarcoat the situation with pretty words.

Fade apology on rivalry path, Fenris will tell Hawke that it was partially their fault the betrayal happened. Red response to that 'you voluneered to go." To which Fenris would respond "I volunteered to stay by your side. You shouldn't have been there in the first place!" It just highlights the amount of loyalty/trust he can extend towards Hawke despite his better judgment. I really like his reponse there.

Another favorite is the red option after 'all that remains' where he comes to see you after Leandra's death and you ask him to say something. When he fumbles for words, red dialog is a pained 'How is that supposed to help the grieving?' I thought the delivery there really showed how much pain Hawke was in during the moment. And fenris' response to that is nice, of couse.

In general, he reacts really well to red options. Even the more accusatory ones.

Modifié par Rheia, 18 avril 2011 - 08:33 .

[Shacary]

b Ya mb I shoudl not have said jerk.. .. mb gruff, almost to point of rudeness mb better choice? IDK I guess in lack of better word I say jerk for the " mean choices?" smash the urn, rob the peons, kill the dalish etc...

[Tealsie]

I wish there were more "emotional outburst" options. So far I've only found... one.
Playing through as mage, during one of the conversations with Carver at Gamlen's house... when he decides he wants to throw Bethany's death in your face. One of the options resulted in Hawke pretty much blowing up at him for a line or two. It was glorious.   I want more of that.
Especially towards Fenris. How would he react if Hawke went extremely emotional on him? (whether "emotional" is anger or sadness or excessive happiness....)

[Rheia]

Shacary : No harm done . I just wanted to illustrate that a good portion of red dialog options isn't in the same category as 'smash the urn, rob the peons, kill the dalish' . They are not driven by malice. Anger occasionally, yes. But they don't have to be meanspirited.

Or maybe my views are just a bit controversal.

And regarding Carver: Yes! That conversation is pretty high on the list of my favorites in this game. It was extremely well acted too.

Modifié par Rheia, 18 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[tankgirly]

Astrobats ritual.

Sometimes more direct response are hard to swallow, which leads more rival point.

[ejoslin]

Rheia wrote...

Eh. Red isn't always a 'jerk' response. I choose quite a few direct dialogs with Fenris when I feel they are appropriate. Oftentimes, red options are just more direct, not walking on eggshells kind of truth. In Fenris case I remember I particularly like the tone of the dialog that results from 'I started a life here' during the first time you come to see him.

Hawke: "You surivive and you move on... what else do you want?"
Fenris: "Something else, something different... so should you."

Partly, I like it because I feel that it's one of the moments where Fenris gets under Hawke's skin. It just feels like his reproach would stay with Hawke, something that would make him/her reflect on what makes life worth living.

Or the one during bitter pill:
Hawke: "Admit it, you just wanted to kill her"
Hawke: "You may not wear chains anymore. But you are still a slave."
Those ones feel like Hawke is stating the demons Fenris needs to face, and there is little reason to sugarcoat the situation with pretty words.

Fade apology on rivalry path, Fenris will tell Hawke that it was partially their fault the betrayal happened. Red response to that 'you voluneered to go." To which Fenris would respond "I volunteered to stay by your side. You shouldn't have been there in the first place!" It just highlights the amount of loyalty/trust he can extend towards Hawke despite his better judgment.

I really like his reponse there.

Another favorite is the red option after 'all that remains' where he comes to see you after Leandra's death and you ask him to say something. When he fumbles for words, red dialog is a pained 'How is that supposed to help the grieving?' I thought the delivery there really showed the pain Hawke was in during the moment. And fenris' response to that is nice, of couse.

In general, he reacts really well to red options. Even the more accusatory ones.

Fenris does respond really well to being challenged.  He never seems to take the red responses as mean -- he takes them for honesty, and admits his faults while is willing to point out Hawke's shortcomings as well.  

I prefer the rivalmance as well, though.  There's an raw honesty there, I think.  Yes, he seems angrier, but he IS angry.  And in the end, he acknowledges that hate and says it's time to put it aside.  In a friendmance, you don't get that line. 

[tankgirly]

ejoslin wrote...

Rheia wrote...

Eh. Red isn't always a 'jerk' response. I choose quite a few direct dialogs with Fenris when I feel they are appropriate. Oftentimes, red options are just more direct, not walking on eggshells kind of truth. In Fenris case I remember I particularly like the tone of the dialog that results from 'I started a life here' during the first time you come to see him.

Hawke: "You surivive and you move on... what else do you want?"
Fenris: "Something else, something different... so should you."

Partly, I like it because I feel that it's one of the moments where Fenris gets under Hawke's skin. It just feels like his reproach would stay with Hawke, something that would make him/her reflect on what makes life worth living.

Or the one during bitter pill:
Hawke: "Admit it, you just wanted to kill her"
Hawke: "You may not wear chains anymore. But you are still a slave."
Those ones feel like Hawke is stating the demons Fenris needs to face, and there is little reason to sugarcoat the situation with pretty words.

Fade apology on rivalry path, Fenris will tell Hawke that it was partially their fault the betrayal happened. Red response to that 'you voluneered to go." To which Fenris would respond "I volunteered to stay by your side. You shouldn't have been there in the first place!" It just highlights the amount of loyalty/trust he can extend towards Hawke despite his better judgment.

I really like his reponse there.

Another favorite is the red option after 'all that remains' where he comes to see you after Leandra's death and you ask him to say something. When he fumbles for words, red dialog is a pained 'How is that supposed to help the grieving?' I thought the delivery there really showed the pain Hawke was in during the moment. And fenris' response to that is nice, of couse.

In general, he reacts really well to red options. Even the more accusatory ones.

Fenris does respond really well to being challenged.  He never seems to take the red responses as mean -- he takes them for honesty, and admits his faults while is willing to point out Hawke's shortcomings as well.  

I prefer the rivalmance as well, though.  There's an raw honesty there, I think.  Yes, he seems angrier, but he IS angry.  And in the end, he acknowledges that hate and says it's time to put it aside.  In a friendmance, you don't get that line. 

This.

I acrtually prefer that on Anders as well. Their dialogue seem richer and more interesting.

Art find:


by inkwisitor.

Now I am not sure if this is a screenie/wallpaper or something else. But Balthier like robe looke nice.

Modifié par tankgirly, 18 avril 2011 - 08:42 .

[sushismygen]

I just couldn't stop myself from linking it!

http://browse.devian...et=264#/d3e9clt

and the song  to go with the picture



I could totally hear Merril sing it btw 

[Tealsie]

sushismygen wrote...

I just couldn't stop myself from linking it!

http://browse.devian...et=264#/d3e9clt

and the song  to go with the picture



I could totally hear Merril sing it btw 

I was actually watching the Little Mermaid last night, and was extremely tempted to try and draw Fenris and Hawke as Ariel and Eric.  even more tempted now.

[phyreblade74]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Question:

Let Fenris kill Varania or convince him to spare her?

I've never had Fenris kill Varania.  Honestly, I pity the poor fool of a sister he has, more than anything.  I think she's utterly pitiful, in her sad ignorance about having or making better for herself, so that she depends so completely on the cruelty of a sadistic magister like Danarius. 
But even more, I think it would truly ruin something in Fenris to destroy the last pathetic excuse for family that he has in the world.  He might not consciously understand that much right then but somewhere down the line I think he'd beat himself up for being so "bad" he killed his own sister.  It's the sort of regret Varric feels, I think, since I do let HIM kill Bartrand.  And in my canon, having seen Varric struggle with the pain of that choice, I don't think my Hawke would be willing to let Fenris struggle similarly.  She'd save him from that pain.

[ejoslin]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Question:

Let Fenris kill Varania or convince him to spare her?

Sometimes spare her, usually kill her.  I just wish there was an option for Hawke to kill her, tbh.  What she tells him if you let her live is enough for me to want to kill her more. 

[sushismygen]

Oooo, shiiiny

by Savvid

http://browse.devian...et=744#/d3duves

Modifié par sushismygen, 18 avril 2011 - 09:11 .

[Ryzaki]

Ugh Varania. I usually let him spare her. Because no matter how slimy she is Fenris needs to forgive her.

She's as much a product of her environment as he was.

[Victia]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Question:

Let Fenris kill Varania or convince him to spare her?

All but once (for science)  i have killed her! I just hate her so much and the comments she made after i convinced fenris to spare her made me even angrier!

[tankgirly]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh Varania. I usually let him spare her. Because no matter how slimy she is Fenris needs to forgive her.

She's as much a product of her environment as he was.

This.

[wildannie]

I usually convince him to spare her, not for her, but for him. I think killing his sister could weigh very heavily on his mind especially as we don't know what she's been through to get to where she was.

It could be a mistake though, maybe she does deserve to die.