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[Aeryn-Sun]

Victia wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Question:

Let Fenris kill Varania or convince him to spare her?

All but once (for science)  i have killed her! I just hate her so much and the comments she made after i convinced fenris to spare her made me even angrier!

Same, and I agree. In my experience, having family for the sake of having family is not all it's cracked up to be. Only thing I wish is that there was an option to kill her after her bull**** "boon" statement.

Edit: *hides*

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Edit again: spelling...

Modifié par Aeryn-Sun, 18 avril 2011 - 11:36 .

[tankgirly]

Astrobats ritual:




srsly, though. I think her 'boon' speech was just jealousy. A bit like Gamlen mumbling he got nothing when it was him at his parents' sickbed.

[niamhdannan]

Ladivixxen wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I like them both! Rivalmance has its hot points and so does friendmance; but overall I'm friendmance. Now if some of those were together and mix that into a scene....*whew*

This is what fan fiction is for

[Rheia]

tankgirly wrote...
srsly, though. I think her 'boon' speech was just jealousy. A bit like Gamlen mumbling he got nothing when it was him at his parents' sickbed.

I am not so sure. I see it as bitterness. I think being a product of tevinter society factors into her betrayal just like it does with Fenris killing the Fog warriors who take him in.  It's not a perfect parallel, I realize. And we don't know enough of her story to make the call, either way.

I think her words sting, if you spare her. They make me angry on Fenris' behalf, and I have hard time justifying them. I do believe she believes her words to be the truth, however, and doesn't speak them out of spite alone.

[tankgirly]

Rheia wrote...

tankgirly wrote...
srsly, though. I think her 'boon' speech was just jealousy. A bit like Gamlen mumbling he got nothing when it was him at his parents' sickbed.

I am not so sure. I see it as bitterness. I think being a product of tevinter society factors into her betrayal just like it does with Fenris killing the Fog warriors who take him in.  It's not a perfect parallel, I realize. And we don't know enough of her story to make the call, either way.

I think her words sting, if you spare her. They make me angry on Fenris' behalf, and I have hard time justifying them. I do believe she believes her words to be the truth, however, and doesn't speak them out of spite alone.

They should explore more into the society of Tevinter in the next instalment.

[Ladivixxen]

niamhdannan wrote...

Ladivixxen wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I like them both! Rivalmance has its hot points and so does friendmance; but overall I'm friendmance. Now if some of those were together and mix that into a scene....*whew*

This is what fan fiction is for

And what fun Fenris fanfic it is

[Rheia]

tankgirly wrote...

Rheia wrote...

tankgirly wrote...
srsly, though. I think her 'boon' speech was just jealousy. A bit like Gamlen mumbling he got nothing when it was him at his parents' sickbed.

I am not so sure. I see it as bitterness. I think being a product of tevinter society factors into her betrayal just like it does with Fenris killing the Fog warriors who take him in.  It's not a perfect parallel, I realize. And we don't know enough of her story to make the call, either way.

I think her words sting, if you spare her. They make me angry on Fenris' behalf, and I have hard time justifying them. I do believe she believes her words to be the truth, however, and doesn't speak them out of spite alone.

They should explore more into the society of Tevinter in the next instalment.

Totally! I recall someone extracting Arl Foreshadow notes from DAII demo:


The Notes of Arl Foreshadow:
Readings for endless days by the coming fire:
Elvehan Diis Falsis: Triew Metod Dracas
Transitional Tevinter. Interesting.
Perforation Theory: Walking the Dream Worrying. Good walls make good neighbors. Also, parapets.
Of Locks and Lineage: If Right was Wrong. “Whoops” indeed.
The Qun - Popular. Get one before they're gone.
Timely Talking: The Art of the Reveal-Irrelevant. Some take steps by two, and speak as such.

And this gives me a bit of hope that we'll see more on tevinter. While not so great at decoding riddles, 'transitional tevinter', references to the qun (who are in conflict with tevinter), and 'walking the dream' (Feynriel is a dreamer who can travel to tevinter as one of his outcomes) makes me wonder 

Modifié par Rheia, 18 avril 2011 - 09:59 .

[Dark_Rogue]

Tealsie wrote...

I wish there were more "emotional outburst" options. So far I've only found... one.
Playing through as mage, during one of the conversations with Carver at Gamlen's house... when he decides he wants to throw Bethany's death in your face. One of the options resulted in Hawke pretty much blowing up at him for a line or two. It was glorious.   I want more of that.
Especially towards Fenris. How would he react if Hawke went extremely emotional on him? (whether "emotional" is anger or sadness or excessive happiness....)

I'm curious to see this scene now...maybe I should start another PT as a mage 

[tankgirly]

Rheia wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Rheia wrote...

tankgirly wrote...
srsly, though. I think her 'boon' speech was just jealousy. A bit like Gamlen mumbling he got nothing when it was him at his parents' sickbed.

I am not so sure. I see it as bitterness. I think being a product of tevinter society factors into her betrayal just like it does with Fenris killing the Fog warriors who take him in.  It's not a perfect parallel, I realize. And we don't know enough of her story to make the call, either way.

I think her words sting, if you spare her. They make me angry on Fenris' behalf, and I have hard time justifying them. I do believe she believes her words to be the truth, however, and doesn't speak them out of spite alone.

They should explore more into the society of Tevinter in the next instalment.

Totally! I recall someone extracting Arl Foreshadow notes from DAII demo:


The Notes of Arl Foreshadow:
Readings for endless days by the coming fire:
Elvehan Diis Falsis: Triew Metod Dracas
Transitional Tevinter. Interesting.
Perforation Theory: Walking the Dream Worrying. Good walls make good neighbors. Also, parapets.
Of Locks and Lineage: If Right was Wrong. “Whoops” indeed.
The Qun - Popular. Get one before they're gone.
Timely Talking: The Art of the Reveal-Irrelevant. Some take steps by two, and speak as such.

And this gives me a bit of hope that we'll see more on tevinter. While not so great at decoding riddles, 'transitional tevinter', references to the qun (who are in conflict with tevinter), and 'walking the dream' (Feynriel is a dreamer who can travel to tevinter as one of his outcomes) makes me wonder 

Feynriel! I so want to see him again! He was absolutely beautiful!

Speaking of demo, it also mentioned the Grand Cleric survived the blast. Now I wonder if that will change Bastie's opinion again should he learned about that.

Modifié par tankgirly, 18 avril 2011 - 10:07 .

[autumnyte]

In terms of Varania, I have never yet been able to let Fenris kill her without reloading. I should try it once. It's kind of the weird flipside of Varric and Bartrand (I can never allow him to let Bartrand live).

Since Fenris admitted regret over having killed Hadriana, I can only imagine he'd feel it even more strongly about his own sister. He has enough guilt over the things he did, both on his own and at Danarius' behest, I hate the thought of letting him add "killing the only family I have" to that list. No matter how much of a heinous **** she is.

Back on the rivalry vs. friendmance, I love both, but I have finally decided I prefer the rivalmance. I agree with what others have said about the reconciliation conversation feeling more satisfying. For me, the whole Fenris storming out after sex and not talking about it for 3 years is easier to swallow during a rivalmance. It's understandable that he's confused and conflicted over the nature of their relationship, and that both of them are stubborn and don't discuss it. The more friendmance playthroughs I do, the more that aspect of the romance just leaves me scratching my head. Not so much that Fenris would leave, but that Hawke would just be all "tra la la whatever" about it.

Modifié par autumnyte, 18 avril 2011 - 10:12 .

[Rheia]

tankgirly wrote...

Rheia wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Rheia wrote...

tankgirly wrote...
srsly, though. I think her 'boon' speech was just jealousy. A bit like Gamlen mumbling he got nothing when it was him at his parents' sickbed.

I am not so sure. I see it as bitterness. I think being a product of tevinter society factors into her betrayal just like it does with Fenris killing the Fog warriors who take him in.  It's not a perfect parallel, I realize. And we don't know enough of her story to make the call, either way.

I think her words sting, if you spare her. They make me angry on Fenris' behalf, and I have hard time justifying them. I do believe she believes her words to be the truth, however, and doesn't speak them out of spite alone.

They should explore more into the society of Tevinter in the next instalment.

Totally! I recall someone extracting Arl Foreshadow notes from DAII demo:


The Notes of Arl Foreshadow:
Readings for endless days by the coming fire:
Elvehan Diis Falsis: Triew Metod Dracas
Transitional Tevinter. Interesting.
Perforation Theory: Walking the Dream Worrying. Good walls make good neighbors. Also, parapets.
Of Locks and Lineage: If Right was Wrong. “Whoops” indeed.
The Qun - Popular. Get one before they're gone.
Timely Talking: The Art of the Reveal-Irrelevant. Some take steps by two, and speak as such.

And this gives me a bit of hope that we'll see more on tevinter. While not so great at decoding riddles, 'transitional tevinter', references to the qun (who are in conflict with tevinter), and 'walking the dream' (Feynriel is a dreamer who can travel to tevinter as one of his outcomes) makes me wonder 

Feynriel! I so want to see him again! He was absolutely beautiful!

Speaking of demo, it also mentioned the Grand Cleric survived the blast. Now I wonder if that will change Bastie's opinion again should he learned about that.

Bastie can go suck on a fireball, the way he acts in the end if you don't kill Anders   I'd be curious to see if Elthina's fate isn't what we have assumed: namely that she didn't die in the chantry. It'd be an interesting twist ...  though I don't think it'd matter either way. The war has started, and is snowballing either way, according to the epilogue.

Even if grand cleric lived I don't think she could just shake the dust off her clothes and make a pretty speech to convince everyone to return to the old ways. I just don't see  extremists on the both side of the conflict allowing it.

Hm. Do you think more mages would seek refuge in Tevinter, if it's closer journey than Ferelden? Might be another reason to showcast more of Tevinter in the expansion/next installment

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Stirring the topic back towards Fenris!

Photomanip by Savvid: page here

Modifié par Rheia, 18 avril 2011 - 10:30 .

[Cutlasskiwi]

Aeryn-Sun wrote...

Victia wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Question:

Let Fenris kill Varania or convince him to spare her?

All but once (for science)  i have killed her! I just hate her so much and the comments she made after i convinced fenris to spare her made me even angrier!

Same, and I agree. In my experiencing, having family for the sake of having family is not all it's cracked up to be. Only thing I wish is that there was an option to kill her after her bull**** "boon" statement.

Edit: *hides*
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source 

This.
I've only let her live once, during my first playthrough. Sometimes there's just no going back and forgive even if it's family, so I let Fenris deal with her as he sees fit. 

[Hekateras]

Speaking of letting Fenris deal with her as he sees fit... how DOES he deal with her, exactly? Is there a certain condition that must be met for him to spare or kill her?

[Fruit of the Doom]

Hekateras wrote...

Speaking of letting Fenris deal with her as he sees fit... how DOES he deal with her, exactly? Is there a certain condition that must be met for him to spare or kill her?

He makes her internal organs explode into a bloody mess.

[Hekateras]

That doesn't exactly answer my question..

[Rheia]

He kills her if you let him do as he sees fit. He only spares her if Hawke asks him not to. (different dialog option)

Modifié par Rheia, 18 avril 2011 - 10:54 .

[Dr. Doctor]

tankgirly wrote...
And this gives me a bit of hope that we'll see more on tevinter. While not so great at decoding riddles, 'transitional tevinter', references to the qun (who are in conflict with tevinter), and 'walking the dream' (Feynriel is a dreamer who can travel to tevinter as one of his outcomes) makes me wonder 

Hawke and Fenris in Tevinter

Minrathous

Hawke: So what's this Arcanist's Hall you were talking about?

Fenris: Remember the Black Emporium? Increase its size ten-fold.

Hawke: So its a big, little shop of horrors?

Fenris: More or less, Danarius used to spend more time there then he did at his estate. Cover your eyes. (A Magister who was squabbling with a merchant disintigrates the man with a flash of fire)

Hawke: He just...how can he...

Fenris: Get used to it.

Hawke: I hope we don't get struck down in the streets. (notices a vendor selling food) Want some lunch?

Fenris: Wait!

Hawke: (to vendor) Excuse me...

Vendor: (noticing Hawke's staff) Please milady, please don't kill me I have a family!

Fenris: Messere, my mistress simply wishes to purchase your goods.

Vendor: Here, take whatever you like! On the house! (hands over some food and runs off)

Hawke: What just happened?

Fenris: You are a mage, here in the Imperium that power you wield gives you free reign. The local authorities tend to ignore the actions of magical violence.

Hawke: I can understand why you left.

[Shacary]

ya i let her live like mb 3 times but then i reloaded one time and just usually let him decide what to do with her, I too wish we could just smoke her ourselves, but then he might resent that more than making his own decision to squeeze her heart.
I agree Blood does not make a family, the heart does.

[Twofold Black]

autumnyte wrote...

The more friendmance playthroughs I do, the more that aspect of the romance just leaves me scratching my head. Not so much that Fenris would leave, but that Hawke would just be all "tra la la whatever" about it.

Some of the dialogue in a friendmance (I don't recall how it plays out in a rivalmance -- maybe it's the same, actually) suggests to me that they spend that three years more or less having a chaste relationship and Fenris is so confused and emotionally stunted that he hasn't noticed. In my personal canon, Hawke spends that time watching Fenris angst about how IT IS EEEEENDED and going "LOL YOU MORON. You're lucky you're good-looking. Next round's on you, drunky."

[UltiPup]

RAGHHH

I really want a Dragon Age Persona 4 cross over now.

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

Twofold Black wrote...

autumnyte wrote...

The more friendmance playthroughs I do, the more that aspect of the romance just leaves me scratching my head. Not so much that Fenris would leave, but that Hawke would just be all "tra la la whatever" about it.

Some of the dialogue in a friendmance (I don't recall how it plays out in a rivalmance -- maybe it's the same, actually) suggests to me that they spend that three years more or less having a chaste relationship and Fenris is so confused and emotionally stunted that he hasn't noticed. In my personal canon, Hawke spends that time watching Fenris angst about how IT IS EEEEENDED and going "LOL YOU MORON. You're lucky you're good-looking. Next round's on you, drunky."

What I saw happening in that gap: Reading + lots of conversations (that could be awkward at points) + Hawke (and Aveline) helped Fenris track down Varania. (I see Varric also helping with the last one as well) 

[Twofold Black]

Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

Twofold Black wrote...

Some of the dialogue in a friendmance (I don't recall how it plays out in a rivalmance -- maybe it's the same, actually) suggests to me that they spend that three years more or less having a chaste relationship and Fenris is so confused and emotionally stunted that he hasn't noticed. In my personal canon, Hawke spends that time watching Fenris angst about how IT IS EEEEENDED and going "LOL YOU MORON. You're lucky you're good-looking. Next round's on you, drunky."

What I saw happening in that gap: Reading + lots of conversations (that could be awkward at points) + Hawke (and Aveline) helped Fenris track down Varania. (I see Varric also helping with the last one as well)

Me too. And other things: I assume Fenris is still taking mercenary jobs, and Hawke is, like ... meddling in the personal affairs of people around Kirkwall, and probably dealing with some sort of obnoxiousness in the Bone Pit and so forth. I don't mean to say that Hawke facepalming and making Fenris buy drinks is the only thing that happens during that interval, though Fenris certainly provides plenty of material.

[Helen0rz]

I pity Varania...so I always let her live. that's not saying her actions can be excused, but no. Although she can be potentionally dangerous, technically from what we barely know about her is that she haven't and this ordeal with Fenris it was the first chance she ever tried. I think she doesn't regret her actions but at the same time she's sorry that she has to go to that to get what she wants, you know?

I dont ever kill her also because Fenris was mad and I would much rather he kinda cools down a bit and THEN decide if that's what he really wants. They can always track her down, please she offers a bit of explanation to Fenris' past and I firmly believe it was something he needed to know.

[autumnyte]

Twofold Black wrote...

Some of the dialogue in a friendmance (I don't recall how it plays out in a rivalmance -- maybe it's the same, actually) suggests to me that they spend that three years more or less having a chaste relationship and Fenris is so confused and emotionally stunted that he hasn't noticed. In my personal canon, Hawke spends that time watching Fenris angst about how IT IS EEEEENDED and going "LOL YOU MORON. You're lucky you're good-looking. Next round's on you, drunky."

Yeah, there are some similar indications that they are more-than-friends but less-than-lovers in the rivalmance too. Though it is contradictory, and buggy dialogue can add to this sense of WTF is going on with those two? There definitely is SOMETHING there, though, in either case.  

I guess it just boils down to my having a preference for own personal head canon of Hawke having been an equally angsty and stubborn moron during that time. But I can absolutely see your explanation for it in the context of the friendmance as well.

[Heidenreich]

Twofold Black wrote...

autumnyte wrote...

The more friendmance playthroughs I do, the more that aspect of the romance just leaves me scratching my head. Not so much that Fenris would leave, but that Hawke would just be all "tra la la whatever" about it.

Some of the dialogue in a friendmance (I don't recall how it plays out in a rivalmance -- maybe it's the same, actually) suggests to me that they spend that three years more or less having a chaste relationship and Fenris is so confused and emotionally stunted that he hasn't noticed. In my personal canon, Hawke spends that time watching Fenris angst about how IT IS EEEEENDED and going "LOL YOU MORON. You're lucky you're good-looking. Next round's on you, drunky."

Friendmance gives off the vibe that after mom dies and he comes back, they reconcile. And by reconcile, I mean, agree that they need each other, and giving Fen the time he needs to come to terms with the fact that Hawke/ette isn't going anywhere, anytime soon.