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[Sigil_Beguiler123]

I am fine with former lovers both if and if not they are relevant to their characters story. Could be just a regular relationship that ended, or could be something bigger. Either case as long as it fits the character and works for the story of the character then fine by me.

As far as not touching, well as long as one could cuddle fine by me. Though to be fair I was disappointed with the antibiotics cop-out with Tali. I was hoping for a non-sexual romantic relationship. Though being pan-romantic in real-life I guess putting my own wishes on it.

[MarginalBeast]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I love Alistair and Zevran equally, don't get me wrong. In my experience with relationships and friends within my social network, that is how we often determine who we are in love with and how. Contrasting and comparing the current relationship with ones in the past. It tells us how serious and casual the connection is. When you don't have experience, you do not really know at all, and it is usually doomed (not always, but usually).

Not everyone needs past relationships to be able to tell if they're in love or not. That's just not how it works. In fact, many people don't. I personally was in a few relationships before I was with a guy that I would consider a serious relationship, but I know many people who married their first gf/bf and are still happily married today. It isn't the most common thing, but it happens frequently enough. Who am I to judge them and tell them that they weren't experienced enough to know? That's just ridiculous.

That's why it always blows my mind when people claim that Alistair's romance was shallow. I mean, really, who is anyone to claim that they know more about a person's feelings than the person in question? Don't get me wrong, I like both the Alistair and Zevran romances, but I don't think it's fair to claim that one is somehow inherently superior to the other. Neither of them had two conversations with the PC and then suddenly decided they were in love. They both went to hell and back with her (or him, possibly, in Zevran's case) and grew to love her over time for various reasons.

Furthermore, my main complaint against so-called "Carth Syndrome" is that I really would prefer more variety. Even if you ignore BioWare games, even if you ignore video games, it's everywhere. Adult male characters with dead families (or just wives/lovers) are a dime a dozen in fiction, because for some reason it makes good angst. This is just me, but I'd like to read about/see other kinds of adult males.

What I'm basically trying to say is, it's less about having had past relationships and more about having had tragedy involving those relationships. I can't think of many male LIs that have had a few (still living) exes that they don't really mention often (or at all) because they're obviously not in love with them anymore (for example, Ashley or Miranda), like most people. Usually it's "I had an amazing wife but then she DIED and I may or may not have a child who also may or may not be dead!" ...And then there's Alistair, who is on the opposite end of that extreme, but at least he was something we haven't seen a thousand times.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 24 décembre 2010 - 10:31 .

[AzuraLuna]

I don't mind past relationships in a game as long as they're done well. If it's part of a character's development, sure. But all too often the "lost love" angle is used as a shortcut to sympathy for the character, and that's where it gets annoying.



If Fenris does have a wife or girlfriend that he's forgotten about, how he deals with it as a character will determine if I like how it's handled. I'll find out when I play the game.

[Chagrinned Goat]

HolyJellyfish wrote...
What paradigm of philosophy most fits Fenris, depending on your familiarity with the subject? (Stoicism? Foucault?)

I have a few thoughts on that subject, but I think what we need to know before we could make any solid guesses in those regards is how much Fenris knows. Which I'm not sure if that's been brought up before, interestingly. Surely, he knows what has happened to him, but does he know why? Maybe all Fenris knows is that he was a slave being tortured. He was just a slave, after all. Would the magister talk him through the process as s/he experimented, saying "Installing the lyrium here will give me an endless supply of mana" or "We've wiped your memory to shield you from demons, so you can watch us assault the Black City again" ? 

Thinking about, it's been theorized that his personal quest will be tracking down his old master, but what if it's more about finding out why it all happened in the first place? 

Makes for a more dramatic character, anyway.

HolyJellyfish wrote...
so he can keep reading much to the elf's chagrin.

I belong to Fenris? Yes! /silliness 



Anyway, RE: Carth Syndrome . . . I thought what defined said syndrome was the act of comparing the PC to their old loves? I've never honestly found it to happen as much as it seems people think it does. Kaidan makes one comment when you ask him about Rahna. As someone said, it'd be weird if Thane didn't talk about Irikah, considering how important family is to him. Like Kaidan, Zevran only brings up Rina once, and when you ask. And out of those, I think Kaidan is the only one that actually does make the comparison? The definition of Carth Syndrome changes depending on who is weilding the term, though. I don't mind the whole "dead lovers" thing, and I mind "past, but still alive, lovers" even less.

Basically . . .

AzuraLuna wrote...

I don't mind past relationships in a
game as long as they're done well. If it's part of a character's
development, sure. But all too often the "lost love" angle is used as a
shortcut to sympathy for the character, and that's where it gets
annoying.

If Fenris does have a wife or girlfriend that he's
forgotten about, how he deals with it as a character will determine if I
like how it's handled. I'll find out when I play the game.

This.

[Tinxa]

I'd also like a living past lover for a change.

In Bishop romance you met his former lover and she tries to warn you that your romance will not end well. I liked that you could meet her and talk to her.

[CrookedAsylum]

I don't mind the former past lover thing. So long as it doesn't go down the route of tragedy/death/impregnationbygoat.

[Lucy Glitter]

merry xmas everyone

[HolyJellyfish]

MarginalBeast wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I love Alistair and Zevran equally, don't get me wrong. In my experience with relationships and friends within my social network, that is how we often determine who we are in love with and how. Contrasting and comparing the current relationship with ones in the past. It tells us how serious and casual the connection is. When you don't have experience, you do not really know at all, and it is usually doomed (not always, but usually).

Not everyone needs past relationships to be able to tell if they're in love or not. That's just not how it works. In fact, many people don't. I personally was in a few relationships before I was with a guy that I would consider a serious relationship, but I know many people who married their first gf/bf and are still happily married today. It isn't the most common thing, but it happens frequently enough. Who am I to judge them and tell them that they weren't experienced enough to know? That's just ridiculous.

That's why it always blows my mind when people claim that Alistair's romance was shallow. I mean, really, who is anyone to claim that they know more about a person's feelings than the person in question? Don't get me wrong, I like both the Alistair and Zevran romances, but I don't think it's fair to claim that one is somehow inherently superior to the other. Neither of them had two conversations with the PC and then suddenly decided they were in love. They both went to hell and back with her (or him, possibly, in Zevran's case) and grew to love her over time for various reasons.

Furthermore, my main complaint against so-called "Carth Syndrome" is that I really would prefer more variety. Even if you ignore BioWare games, even if you ignore video games, it's everywhere. Adult male characters with dead families (or just wives/lovers) are a dime a dozen in fiction, because for some reason it makes good angst. This is just me, but I'd like to read about/see other kinds of adult males.

What I'm basically trying to say is, it's less about having had past relationships and more about having had tragedy involving those relationships. I can't think of many male LIs that have had a few (still living) exes that they don't really mention often (or at all) because they're obviously not in love with them anymore (for example, Ashley or Miranda), like most people. Usually it's "I had an amazing wife but then she DIED and I may or may not have a child who also may or may not be dead!" ...And then there's Alistair, who is on the opposite end of that extreme, but at least he was something we haven't seen a thousand times.

In response to Carth Syndrome, I loved this quote ::

Chagrinned Beast wrote...

Anyway, RE: Carth Syndrome . . . I thought what defined said syndrome
was the act of comparing the PC to their old loves? I've never honestly
found it to happen as much as it seems people think it does. Kaidan
makes one comment when you ask him about Rahna. As someone said, it'd be weird if Thane didn't talk
about Irikah, considering how important family is to him. Like Kaidan,
Zevran only brings up Rina once, and when you ask. And out of those,
I think Kaidan is the only one that actually does make the
comparison? The definition of Carth Syndrome changes depending on who is
weilding the term, though. I don't mind the whole "dead lovers" thing,
and I mind "past, but still alive, lovers" even less.

A bigger, larger theme than the dead lovers/wives/whatever, is the fact that every single character you ever encounter in Bioware's RPGs ever (and other RPGs... and action/fantasy/scifi/adventure novels) is that each character, every single character, is completely stripped of who they once were. If their familes aren't dead, they were exiled. If they weren't exiled, they have amnesia. If they didn't have amnesia, they were the last of their kind.

Its this formula that creates a family of loners, where each character is thrown into a strange, odd puzzle of individuals who simply cannot connect outside of that odd-end-group. They were castouts in the real world, and have little choice but to band together in the long run. I can think of only a few characters from Bioware that do not fit this definition, such as Wynne and Kaiden.

So if the death or loss of a relationship is involved in order to create this exiled position, be they an LI or not, I really can't argue with the writer's concept because of the above formula. And I haven't noticed an LI compare or contrast their past relationship with my character, except in the case of Thane, but it was in high regard, warmth, and understanding.

[HolyJellyfish]

Also, I wish to thank all of you a wonderful christmas, and it is always a wonderful pleasure to have such deep conversations. Truly, they are enlightening and informative. It certainly widens my mind, outside of Bioware.



I hope you all find a Fenris to decorate your tree tonight. And I also hope he is able to replace those christmas lights by glowing



- Alyx

[Tamyn]

MarginalBeast wrote...

What I'm basically trying to say is, it's less about having had past relationships and more about having had tragedy involving those relationships. I can't think of many male LIs that have had a few (still living) exes that they don't really mention often (or at all) because they're obviously not in love with them anymore (for example, Ashley or Miranda), like most people. Usually it's "I had an amazing wife but then she DIED and I may or may not have a child who also may or may not be dead!" ...And then there's Alistair, who is on the opposite end of that extreme, but at least he was something we haven't seen a thousand times.

This. ^ If our LIs have exes, I prefer they not be tied up in tragedy and therefore be a part of the character's loyalty quest/romance path/character development plot.

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

merry xmas everyone

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Also, I wish to thank all of you a wonderful christmas

Thanks Lucy and Alyx. Merry Christmas to you both.

Modifié par Tamyn, 25 décembre 2010 - 02:02 .

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

Merry Christmas all!

[shellys639]

Does anyone now if there is any fanfic out there yet? I love the forums but i need a fix.Short stories would be great to tide me over until march?

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

shellys639 wrote...

Does anyone now if there is any fanfic out there yet? I love the forums but i need a fix.Short stories would be great to tide me over until march?

You can try FanFiction.net. I'm not sure right now if there is anything up there -- I'm on my laptop right now and I have problems getting FanFiction to load faster then a turtle can go a mile if I go there on it. Give me about five minutes wrap up what I'm doing and go boot up the main computer.

[Minxie]

shellys639 wrote...

Does anyone now if there is any fanfic out there yet? I love the forums but i need a fix.Short stories would be great to tide me over until march?

I've been reading a very good Nathaniel/F!Cousland fanfic at fanfiction.net called The Enemy Inside. I've found some other great fanfics there in the last few months but I forgot their names.
The best way to find the kind of fic you like over there is by narrowing down to which characters (or pairings[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] ) you want to read about in the search options over there.

Something that's also fun to read is this illustrated fanfic/comic at DeviantArt called Nara the Grey Warden (features Zevran romance and really great artwork).

[shellys639]

I really hope there are some.There have been some great one shots here. But would like to see some of them expanded. Im kinda greedy i guess.

[shellys639]

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

[Sanctuary74]

Merry Christmas!/Happy Holidays!



I have the sudden urge to see Fenris in a santa hat holding out a plate of cookies...

[shellys639]

I will definately head over there to read those. But kinda hoping for fenris to lust my heart out. Thank you.

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

DalishAssassin wrote...

Merry Christmas!/Happy Holidays!

I have the sudden urge to see Fenris in a santa hat holding out a plate of cookies...

I'd still be happy if it was shiny elf in glowy rubber suit...

As for FanFiction, I have nada that I'm reading. There are quite a few that I probably will take a nice long look at though...

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

You guys are totally going to get Tron Fenris tonight. Oh yes. *draws like crazy*

[tmp7704]

Pseudocognition wrote...

You guys are totally going to get Tron Fenris tonight. Oh yes. *draws like crazy*

Since the guy already has glowing lines all over him, is that really going to look any different?

[Away]

Tron Fenris?

DO. WANT.

Also, I could probably whip up a Fenris fanfic while I'm waiting for stuff to download, any requests/ideas where I'd post it? I do have an FFN account I was just wondering if people'd prefer LJ or something.

Merry Christmas in...32 minutes.

[shellys639]

I saw a bunch of great starts for fanfiction on these threads that i had hoped they would keep going.they were so good my imagination started to take off on what happens next kinda thing.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

tmp7704 wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

You guys are totally going to get Tron Fenris tonight. Oh yes. *draws like crazy*

Since the guy already has glowing lines all over him, is that really going to look any different?

You will soon see