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[Shacary]

me too! I had to reload a few times from them... when i finally played as a mae , i really really wanted that spell *sigh* but alas it was not meant to be...

ack im on top... o wait... nm   naughty brain...

Modifié par Shacary, 20 avril 2011 - 08:11 .

[Ryzaki]

Maiafay wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

...so that his master wouldn't get killed by that stupid sphere-of-lightning thing that Qunari mages can do.

I hate that thing. And that blood spell of doom from blood mages and demons.

That thing killed my whole party once. 

I hate bloodmages. That spell alone made me do the Templar ending I'm not even joking. <_< And Cleanse doesn't seem to work on it! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 avril 2011 - 08:10 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Hekateras wrote...

You did read the rest of what I wrote, right?  Yes, he is, sort, of waiting around to be ambushed. But he has perfectly valid reasons to be doing that.

Yes I did, but the tension of him being alone in there* is dissolved because he is conveniently ambushed with armed party in tow, and walks into a trap with armed party in tow. He says it (the mansion? Kirkwall?) is a superior fighting positon or whatever but he's not actually attacked there.

*Since he is not gifted with a cell phone or telepathy, having friends nearby won't do much if he's amushed.

[upsettingshorts]

Hekateras wrote...

Which of the contradictions still haven't been explained away, then?

Explained by forum users speculating != explained through and with the story

[Helen0rz]

+1 for Doc's explanation

[tankgirly]

I was wondering why this thread leaped over 5 pages overnight. XD
Seriously discussion! Haven't had this for a long time!
I will need to find my Tiramisu cakes!
Astrabats' Ritual


While I am at it, cute little clay Fenris by bboria



And a shirtless/chest haired Male Hawke with Fenris

by bagoflimbs

Modifié par tankgirly, 20 avril 2011 - 08:24 .

[dangereusegirl]

Yeah I had shut down my browser to go to class and a few hours later, I find that the thread jumps several pages.

Happy thoughts people!

I know this has been asked before, but what is your preference for the order of quests? Do you jump on certain companion quests first? Or do you just go with the flow?

[Affably]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Indeed, and that wasn't really my intent.  Though I worded it poorly.  The reason I spoke in terms of oughts is because I think he ought to be different - in the sense of being worse - if he's going to personally have a significant impact as Anders foil.  Anders, being of course, ten kinds of screwed up.

The number of pages and posts with regards to Fenris in this forum indicate that Fenris — for whatever reason — has indeed had a significant personal impact on players to constitute this much time and interest.  But as far as acting as an effective Anders foil and whether or not narratively he ought to be more screwed up in order to garner sympathy against Anders' argument…

The structure of the game seems to imply some assumed sympathy for the mages — either you, as a mage, or your "nicer," more agreeable/less irritable mage sibling lives through the prologue.  Apart from Fenris himself, the game seems to go to lengths to show abuses by mages — Quentin as the most egregious, personal example, before Anders in any case — in order to deconstruct absolute sympathy for their situation (being oppressed in the Circle).  The degree to which it is effective I assume determines your decision in the endgame, which is what makes it interesting.

I'm sure we can agree that Fenris is generally disagreeable, broody, grumpy and so forth, calcified by his situation.  If he were, on top of that, broken and weeping (or whatever degree "worse" you think is required for him to be an effective foil against Anders) the player reaction would likely be, as Hekateras mentioned, anvilicious turn-off coupled with tone argument bull****.

[Evindell]

tankgirly wrote...


And a shirtless/chest haired Male Hawke with Fenris

by bagoflimbs

I'm glad that, for once, someone drew Fenris with M!Hawke without making him look like such a girl.

Thumbs up...even though I refuse to acknowledge that Fenris is with anyone else but my F!Hawke...

[upsettingshorts]

Affably wrote...

The number of pages and posts with regards to Fenris in this forum indicate that Fenris — for whatever reason — has indeed had a significant personal impact on players to constitute this much time and interest.  But as far as acting as an effective Anders foil and whether or not narratively he ought to be more screwed up in order to garner sympathy against Anders' argument…

Please, hundreds and hundreds of these pages are written either before, or with speculation in direct contradiction of the character we got, or just downright sillyness that barely qualifies as on topic - like many other fanthreads.  This isn't my first foray into the mysterious world of Fenris fandom, I'm quite familiar, heh.

Affably wrote...

I'm sure we can agree that Fenris is generally disagreeable, broody, grumpy and so forth, calcified by his situation.  If he were, on top of that, broken and weeping (or whatever degree "worse" you think is required for him to be an effective foil against Anders) the player reaction would likely be, as Hekateras mentioned, anvilicious turn-off coupled with tone argument bull****.

His demeanor is only part of the reason he fails to match Anders, part of it is his focus on his own situation and his own problems.  Anders is out there writing manifestos and leading a revolution Fenris ought to despise the very idea of, and he does... what, about it?  Complain occasionally?  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 20 avril 2011 - 08:33 .

[tankgirly]

Evindell wrote...

tankgirly wrote...


And a shirtless/chest haired Male Hawke with Fenris

by bagoflimbs

I'm glad that, for once, someone drew Fenris with M!Hawke without making him look like such a girl.

Thumbs up...even though I refuse to acknowledge that Fenris is with anyone else but my F!Hawke...

Me, too. My dear. Me,too.

..................that shirtless Hawke totally stole the show.

[tankgirly]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

His demeanor is only part of the reason he fails to match Anders, part of it is his focus on his own situation and his own problems.  Anders is out there writing manifestos and leading a revolution Fenris ought to despise the very idea of, and he does... what, about it?  Complain occasionally?  

I only agree with that bit, being a Anders fangirl.

[Ryzaki]

Leading a revolution?

Where?

Only thing I saw was him blowing up a Chantry and leaving the Circle of mages to be slaughtered like cattle and I like Anders. He tried to force change yeah but he certainly didn't lead a revolution. That requires...well leading. 

Fenris could turn Anders in but he's just as plot dumb about it as a rival (with Anders) Hawke. The plot demanded Anders be left alone so he was. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 avril 2011 - 08:40 .

[upsettingshorts]

Throw in the phrase "attempting to" and it still works.

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Throw in the phrase "attempting to" and it still works.

Attempting too isn't leading. Especially not when the attempt relies on others doing all the work. 

[tankgirly]

Ryzaki wrote...

Leading a revolution?

Where?

Only thing I saw was him blowing up a Chantry and leaving the Circle of mages to be slaughtered like cattle and I like Anders. He tried to force change yeah but he certainly didn't lead a revolution. That requires...well leading. 

Fenris could turn Anders in but he's just as plot dumb about it as a rival (with Anders) Hawke. The plot demanded Anders be left alone so he was. 

Actually there is a conversation between Bastie and Fenris at one point, where Bastie asked him why didn't he turned Anders in, he said something like Hawke wouldn't be very pleased about that.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Ryzaki wrote...

Leading a revolution?

Where?

Only thing I saw was him blowing up a Chantry and leaving the Circle of mages to be slaughtered like cattle and I like Anders.  

Fenris could turn Anders in but he's just as plot dumb about it as a rival (with Anders) Hawke. The plot demanded Anders be left alone so he was. 

*stare*

So he just blew up the Chantry willy-nilly and not because he was trying to start a revolution?

Fenris didn't want to take up issue with Hawke by turning Anders in, but this still doesn't address the fact that he was still not a proper foil for Anders.  

[Evindell]

tankgirly wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

His demeanor is only part of the reason he fails to match Anders, part of it is his focus on his own situation and his own problems.  Anders is out there writing manifestos and leading a revolution Fenris ought to despise the very idea of, and he does... what, about it?  Complain occasionally?  

I only agree with that bit, being a Anders fangirl.

I actually look to a banter between Fenris and Sebastian for the answer to this:

• Sebastian: It's our duty to tell the templars.
• Fenris: Then why haven't you done it?
• Sebastian: I guess I was hoping they'd come to it on their own.
• Fenris: And then you wouldn't have to betray Hawke's friends, right?
• Sebastian: That's not reason enough to allow a maleficar to walk free..

• Sebastian: Which of us should do it? Shall we draw lots?
• Fenris: Uh-uh. You want to turn them in, you work it out with Hawke.

To me, it makes sense that Fenris wouldn't do anything else but let his opinion be known. What's he going to do? He understands that there is no way he can harm/turn Anders in if Hawke objects. Fenris owes Hawke for helping, so he shows his loyalty by following Hawke's lead, whether he agrees or not.


Edit:: This is the quote tankgirly was speaking of.

Modifié par Evindell, 20 avril 2011 - 08:45 .

[tsunderes]

So I'm replaying right now for the third time (not sure how big a fan I am of warrior Hawke)
When doing bait and switch, Fenris questions about what was in the crate, and laments how he was hoping it would be something specific. We never find out what it is... do we? It always makes me really curious.

[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...

*stare*

So he just blew up the Chantry willy-nilly and not because he was trying to start a revolution?

Fenris didn't want to take up issue with Hawke by turning Anders in, but this still doesn't address the fact that he was still not a proper foil for Anders.  

Starting a revolution isn't leading a revolution. 

That's my issue. 

He doesn't lead anything. He blows up a chantry in hopes that it would spark a revolution. 

And I never saw Fenris as a foil for Anders. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 avril 2011 - 08:45 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Ryzaki wrote...
That thing killed my whole party once. 

I hate bloodmages. That spell alone made me do the Templar ending I'm not even joking. <_< And Cleanse doesn't seem to work on it! 

Cleanse will only knock out magic before its cast, if you can hit an enemy mage before they cast a spell it shorts out the whole ability. If you want something that will knock out magic like that Glowy-Shield-Bubble, or the Stupid-Blood-Vortex take a mage who has the Dispel Magic power. It works on any magic 100% of the time.

Also this whole talk of Danarius and Fenris makes me want to write.

Seheron

After a counterattack by the Qunari, Danarius and Fenris find themselves barricaded in a hut, surrounded by the soldiers of the Beresaad

Danarius: (panting) Well, what do you recomend we do now my pet?

Fenris: I would suggest falling back to the nearest safe location. Perhaps Minrathous would suffice?

Danarius: (chuckles) I think not, little wolf. Tell me did you see any of those Qunari mages out there?

Fenris: No master, I did not.

Danarius: Ah, good. For a minute there I thought you were in trouble.

Fenris: What? (the hut explodes in a blast of magical force and Danarius starts running towards the nearest Tevinter outpost leaving Fenris to deal with the Qunari) Fendhis.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Ryzaki wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

*stare*

So he just blew up the Chantry willy-nilly and not because he was trying to start a revolution?

Fenris didn't want to take up issue with Hawke by turning Anders in, but this still doesn't address the fact that he was still not a proper foil for Anders.  

Starting a revolution isn't leading a revolution. 

That's my issue. 

He doesn't lead anything. He blows up a chantry in hopes that it would spark a revolution. 

And I never saw Fenris as a foil for Anders. 

Definition of leading:

1. Having a position in the lead; foremost: the leading candidate.
2. Chief; principal: the leading cause of high inflation. See Synonyms at chief.
3. Of or performing a lead in a theatrical production: a leading role; a leading lady.
4. Formulated so as to elicit a desired response: a leading question.

There's other defintions of leading.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 20 avril 2011 - 08:47 .

[tankgirly]

Evindell wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

His demeanor is only part of the reason he fails to match Anders, part of it is his focus on his own situation and his own problems.  Anders is out there writing manifestos and leading a revolution Fenris ought to despise the very idea of, and he does... what, about it?  Complain occasionally?  

I only agree with that bit, being a Anders fangirl.

I actually look to a banter between Fenris and Sebastian for the answer to this:

• Sebastian: It's our duty to tell the templars.
• Fenris: Then why haven't you done it?
• Sebastian: I guess I was hoping they'd come to it on their own.
• Fenris: And then you wouldn't have to betray Hawke's friends, right?
• Sebastian: That's not reason enough to allow a maleficar to walk free..

• Sebastian: Which of us should do it? Shall we draw lots?
• Fenris: Uh-uh. You want to turn them in, you work it out with Hawke.

To me, it makes sense that Fenris wouldn't do anything else but let his opinion be known. What's he going to do? He understands that there is no way he can harm/turn Anders in if Hawke objects. Fenris owes Hawke for helping, so he shows his loyalty by following Hawke's lead, whether he agrees or not.

Exactly what I was saying, darling.

And plot foil? Really?

[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...
Definition of leading:

1. Having a position in the lead; foremost: the leading candidate.
2. Chief; principal: the leading cause of high inflation. See Synonyms at chief.
3. Of or performing a lead in a theatrical production: a leading role; a leading lady.
4. Formulated so as to elicit a desired response: a leading question.

There's other defintions of leading.

Okay.

Edit: wrong thread for this. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 avril 2011 - 08:58 .

[tsunderes]

Evindell wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

His demeanor is only part of the reason he fails to match Anders, part of it is his focus on his own situation and his own problems.  Anders is out there writing manifestos and leading a revolution Fenris ought to despise the very idea of, and he does... what, about it?  Complain occasionally?  

I only agree with that bit, being a Anders fangirl.

I actually look to a banter between Fenris and Sebastian for the answer to this:

• Sebastian: It's our duty to tell the templars.
• Fenris: Then why haven't you done it?
• Sebastian: I guess I was hoping they'd come to it on their own.
• Fenris: And then you wouldn't have to betray Hawke's friends, right?
• Sebastian: That's not reason enough to allow a maleficar to walk free..

• Sebastian: Which of us should do it? Shall we draw lots?
• Fenris: Uh-uh. You want to turn them in, you work it out with Hawke.

To me, it makes sense that Fenris wouldn't do anything else but let his opinion be known. What's he going to do? He understands that there is no way he can harm/turn Anders in if Hawke objects. Fenris owes Hawke for helping, so he shows his loyalty by following Hawke's lead, whether he agrees or not.


Edit:: This is the quote tankgirly was speaking of.

This can be paired with his reaction to siding with the mages in the final battle. That it's wrong but he'll stand by you. Fenris's loyalty to Hawke is absolute (if you choose to build the relationship properly that is), whether it controdicts his personal opinions or not (also he's not an activist like Anders, that would draw too much attention to himself, I believe. That and he's not really the leader type.)  Betraying Hawkes friends would be the equivilent of betraying Hawke her/himself.