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[Tealsie]

lizzbee wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...
WHAT IS THIS, I DON'T EVEN..



SOMEONE FIX IT. FIX IT FIX IT. HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE VARRIC!? :crying::crying::crying:

You could say the same for those that don't like Fenris

Anyway, I just despise his voice actor.  That voice makes my spine tremble and gut lurch, like he's going to scam me out of something if I turn my back.  Bleh, smarmy.  Don't mind me-- I'm in the clear minority, obviously.  I can't say much about the character.  A different VO, and I might change my mind.  Don't know.

That's how it makes me feel, too. Only... in a good way.  spine tingles and giddiness.
*sits back with a handful of stolen popcorn*

Edit: topofpage picture love:

http://purple-meow.d...path=/#/d3die4j

Modifié par Tealsie, 20 avril 2011 - 11:36 .

[Annarl]

yukidama wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If he isn't meant to be a foil for Anders, what is he doing in Dragon Age 2?

Leaving hooks for Dragon Age ___ perhaps...

Dragon Age: Fenris.

60 hours of sitting in a dirty room and drinking wine.

Will he be glistening? :innocent:

[ipgd]

lizzbee wrote...

You could say the same for those that don't like Fenris

Anyway, I just despise his voice actor.  That voice makes my spine tremble and gut lurch, like he's going to scam me out of something if I turn my back.  Bleh, smarmy.  Don't mind me-- I'm in the clear minority, obviously.  I can't say much about the character.  A different VO, and I might change my mind.  Don't know.

[Ryzaki]

...I have a feeling I should recognize that but I don't. :/

[Heidenreich]

lizzbee wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...
WHAT IS THIS, I DON'T EVEN..



SOMEONE FIX IT. FIX IT FIX IT. HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE VARRIC!? :crying::crying::crying:

You could say the same for those that don't like Fenris

Anyway, I just despise his voice actor.  That voice makes my spine tremble and gut lurch, like he's going to scam me out of something if I turn my back.  Bleh, smarmy.  Don't mind me-- I'm in the clear minority, obviously.  I can't say much about the character.  A different VO, and I might change my mind.  Don't know.

I actually didn't like Fenris my first playthrough. I had to romance him before I liked him. I utterly blame this thread for it, too. Fenris is pretty easy to dislike, if you don't take the time to friend or rival him. Varric, well he just reminds me of my older brother's best friend. Just the right amount of sleeze. sass, and awesome.

Excuse me, I think i need to visit the Varric Fan-thread for a moment :innocent:

[autumnyte]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Isabela doesn't have a big over-arching purpose in terms of her character.  But her selfishness and shortsightedness causes the Qunari crisis that Hawke has to deal with and vaults him/her to Champion.  Thus her "purpose" is to provide a reason for those events to happen.  

True enough. I'm curious to hear your take on Bethany and Carver, in terms of their connection to the story. Do you think they are any more or less integral than Fenris?

[SmilingDeceit]

What is this.. I don't even. Why is there not enough Varric love in here? I don't under stand why, Varric is like a drink made up of rainbows and bunny rabbits...to soothe my thirsty soul



There, aimo should do the trick!

[Tealsie]

SmilingDeceit wrote...

What is this.. I don't even. Why is there not enough Varric love in here? I don't under stand why, Varric is like a drink made up of rainbows and bunny rabbits...to soothe my thirsty soul

[aimo snip]

There, aimo should do the trick!

huhwhat?
There was one person that said they disliked Varric... for his voice. Everyone else, as it seems, quite loves him.  

[yoshibb]

Does he have to be a foil for Anders or can he simply represent the different viewpoint, the anti mage viewpoint? The rest of the characters seem indifferent or supportive towards mages. Gaider did say that Fenris had a hook though and I've wondered what he was talking about. There's little things like slavery, knowledge of the Qun, knowledge of Tevinter but nothing big like blowing up a chantry.

That's why I was kind of disappointed with the little to no reveal in the Act 3 quest. I thought his markings were part of a more insidious plan or Danarius was more connected to the plot than we thought. Instead, it just seemed to fall flat.

Modifié par yoshibb, 20 avril 2011 - 11:43 .

[Sherbet Lemon]

SmilingDeceit wrote...

What is this.. I don't even. Why is there not enough Varric love in here? I don't under stand why, Varric is like a drink made up of rainbows and bunny rabbits...to soothe my thirsty soul

**snip**

There, aimo should do the trick!

You forgot rainbows, bunny rabbits and pure sex.  To quote my favorite pirate wench...."But the chest hair" 
**Fangirl SIGH-SQUEE combo attack**:wub:

[SmilingDeceit]

Tealsie wrote...

There was one person that said they disliked Varric... for his voice. Everyone else, as it seems, quite loves him.  

Sorry, but one person is reason enough. I had to do it.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Village Idiot wrote...

Thrask would have been valuable, but I would argue that Fenris presents the Imperium as it is.  Anders's basic argument is that the mages should be free, that their oppression is unjust.  Fenris comes from the only place (I think?) where mages are free.  In fact they're not only free, they rule.  They have governing power of themselves and others.  Fenris represents the "what could be" to Anders's "how about we get the mages some freedoms." 

It's the evidence we have for a potentially understanding what could happen if mages are given freedom.  This view is further legitimized by the many encounters Hawke and company have as they run into a good amount of corrupt blood mages. 

At least that's how I've come to see it. 

I don't find some guy telling me how bad things are somewhere I have not yet been very persuasive :\\ I guess that's where roleplaying comes in. Anders' views on the Circle are at least backed up by several other characters' similar fears and concerns, Templars like Alrik...

Also I find his view of Tevinter magisters as Always Chaotic Evil very suspect considering this is the ultimate grey and grey morality-verse... unless they actually are Always Chaotic Evil, which is... I don't know. Are they this Age's Acceptable Target? It feels like we're being set up to hate them and then go there and meet the noble citizens trying to reform from the inside, who keep getting set back because public perception of Tevinter is Always Chaotic Evil.

It's like Anders' "potion"... too easy, too good to be real. Too easy to have a group you can always blame, who are always the bad guys. Edit: Even the Darkspawn have the Architect.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 20 avril 2011 - 11:51 .

[upsettingshorts]

autumnyte wrote...

True enough. I'm curious to hear your take on Bethany and Carver, in terms of their connection to the story. Do you think they are any more or less integral than Fenris?

I haven't played enough with Carver yet to comment on him.  Bethany, I had a better way to explain this but I forgot... she's such a little devoted sister and believes in Hawke so much that when she has to pay a price for your decisions it's supposed to hurt more.  Basically she seems to provide additional emotional weight, though the amount her presence provides depends on the player,  perhaps too much.

And whichever one dies early on simply demonstrates that Dragon Age 2 is violent and people will die.  Even named companions and family members.  Whether or not it was executed well is an argument for another thread.   

That being said the siblings are almost their own thing.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 20 avril 2011 - 11:48 .

[Tealsie]

SmilingDeceit wrote...

Tealsie wrote...

There was one person that said they disliked Varric... for his voice. Everyone else, as it seems, quite loves him.  

Sorry, but one person is reason enough. I had to do it.

Alright, in that case...

http://fishmas.devia...225654#/d36dvpd
It even has Fenris. Thread-relevance.

[ipgd]

yoshibb wrote...

Does he have to be a foil for Anders or can he simply represent the different viewpoint, the anti mage viewpoint?

I think the problem with Fenris is that he does a lot of talking and very little "doing" or "feeling" to actually reflect the impact it had on him He says a lot of things about mages and the Imperium, but he's so... well-adjusted, considering.

[lizzbee]

Heidenreich wrote...

I actually didn't like Fenris my first playthrough. I had to romance him before I liked him. I utterly blame this thread for it, too. Fenris is pretty easy to dislike, if you don't take the time to friend or rival him. Varric, well he just reminds me of my older brother's best friend. Just the right amount of sleeze. sass, and awesome.

Excuse me, I think i need to visit the Varric Fan-thread for a moment :innocent:

Maybe I should give him a chance.  This is another one of those, "Don't know" things.  The moment I really started to loathe him was when he started ragging on Fenris for not being happy.  I'm not a big fan of the privileged mocking those who have actually suffered in life.  He's like the chorus of "Don't Worry, Be Happy," without the irony.  He's pretty much remained in the tavern ever since.

[Helen0rz]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Why does he need to be a foil to Anders to be an interesting character? Who is Isabela a foil for? Aveline? Merrill?

Not everyone needs to be a foil to another character, no.  All I'm saying is this, basically:

I want all characters to have a purpose.
Almost all of them, at least in my mind, do.
Fenris appears to have no purpose, unless he is a foil for Anders.
If he is meant to be a foil for Anders, he isn't particularly effective.
If he isn't meant to be a foil for Anders, what is he doing in Dragon Age 2?

Ryzaki wrote...

And he's in the game because he offers an
insight to the Tevinter Imperium. And because the devs thought he would
be an interesting character. He doesn't need to have a fight with Anders
to belong in the plot.

Exposition bot would be another purpose, sure.  But that's not very interesting, is it?  I mean, Tali was a walking Codex Entry in Mass Effect 1 - and I...well, people loved her too I suppose.  I didn't but that would explain my attitude wouldn't it?

So...essentially, what we believe is his pupose in game is not good enough of a "purpose" for you? Because essentially you can say the same about Aveline and Merrill, or all companions really if you replace them with bots (but not as your companions). I think you cannot accept reasonings such as "introduction to the Tevinter Imporium, where mages are actually bad unlike the ones in Ferelden Circle", which I believe that's his purpose (or one of them), perhaps you can accept the fact that his purpose is to be one of Hawke's opinion? He's a friend to Hawke? Perhaps he's that one companion that did not add more problems to Hawke's life, like Varric and Aveline?

because really, I think Fenris' purpose is not to foil Anders' happy mages rescuing time. He's a character that represented another idea/experience from another culture that we've yet to see. It's like Leliana was from Orlais and Zevran was from Antiva. 

I understand what you're trying to say, I really do, but perhaps his purpose was really simple and maybe too simple where you cannot accept that? *shrugs* I'm not trying to...make you seem as though you're 'stupid' for not accepting stuff because that's not what I'm trying to do, just fyi

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...
I think the problem with Fenris is that he does a lot of talking and very little "doing" or "feeling" to actually reflect the impact it had on him He says a lot of things about mages and the Imperium, but he's so... well-adjusted, considering.

Hm. I don't know. He flips out on Hawke after Hardirana. I have the feeling its more repressing his issues with him. He deals with his issues on his own for the most part. When he does explode and take it out on Hawke he apologizes for it. I don't mind it personally though I can see why it's not everyone's cup of tea.

What could he do really though? Become a templar? He already will side with the templars if his respect for Hawke isn't strong. He doesn't hate or even dislike mages just abuses of power and him trying to stop any character (or in another vein any NPC trying to stop Hawke from doing something during a sidequest) would be met with a "he needs to die. now." for a portion of players. (Unless it's something awesome like Varric with Gascard. ) Heck he can snitch on Hawke for releasing Emile if his respect for Hawke isn't high enough.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 avril 2011 - 11:58 .

[lizzbee]

Ryzaki wrote...

...I have a feeling I should recognize that but I don't. :/

That whooshed right over my head too

[yoshibb]

ipgd wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Does he have to be a foil for Anders or can he simply represent the different viewpoint, the anti mage viewpoint?

I think the problem with Fenris is that he does a lot of talking and very little "doing" or "feeling" to actually reflect the impact it had on him He says a lot of things about mages and the Imperium, but he's so... well-adjusted, considering.

Different people react in different ways. Seeing as how many people call him an emo for just talking about his life of slavery, what would people do if acted all damaged? There's little things like the aversion to being touched and certain conversations he seems to steer away from. I wouldn't call him well adjusted at the beginning, he really dislikes mages, but he just has more respect for Hawke than he has hate for mages I guess. Had Hawke not been there, Fenris might've turned into a hate filled machine blowing up circles because "MAGES!!" If he'd survived the slave hunters of course. 

Edit: Also, the slouched posture and the constant looking around represent something is amiss with him to me, too.

Modifié par yoshibb, 21 avril 2011 - 12:07 .

[upsettingshorts]

Helen0rz wrote...

So...essentially, what we believe is his pupose in game is not good enough of a "purpose" for you?

I haven't heard too many theories about what his purpose is. 

Mine is "foil to Anders."
There's also "exposition bot."
And "he has his own personal story."

I have issues with all of them.  But I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

Helen0rz wrote...

Because essentially you can say the same about Aveline and Merrill, or all companions really if you replace them with bots (but not as your companions).

Aveline ehh... I'll leave that one aside for now.  Generally though I think she's Hawke's link to Ferelden, and the moral compass of the party.  But that's a hard sell for anyone who wouldn't already be nodding along in agreement.

Merrill's questline involves the fate of the Dalish clan nearby.  That at least involves some people beyond herself.  People you interact with on several occasions.

Helen0rz wrote...

I think you cannot accept reasonings such as "introduction to the Tevinter Imporium, where mages are actually bad unlike the ones in Ferelden Circle", which I believe that's his purpose (or one of them)

I DO "accept" it, I just personally don't find it very interesting.  Doesn't mean I'm on a crusade to demand other people also find it boring that a character is being used as a walking, talking Codex entry - I just don't tend to like it when characters are that and not much else.

Helen0rz wrote...

perhaps you can accept the fact that his purpose is to be one of Hawke's opinion? He's a friend to Hawke? Perhaps he's that one companion that did not add more problems to Hawke's life, like Varric and Aveline?

Perhaps, but doesn't he do just that though?  Dealing with your friend's ex-owner and the minions he sends to recapture your friend seems like a problem that you wouldn't have to deal with had you not met the guy.  And if being around to help Hawke in exchange for help with all those problems is his purpose than he's not significantly more substantial in terms of purpose than a Feynriel or Thrask - and that difference is that he's a companion and LI. 

Helen0rz wrote...

I understand what you're trying to say, I really do, but perhaps his purpose was really simple and maybe too simple where you cannot accept that? *shrugs* I'm not trying to...make you seem as though you're 'stupid' for not accepting stuff because that's not what I'm trying to do, just fyi

I do get it, I just would be disappointed if that was all there was to him.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 avril 2011 - 12:05 .

[autumnyte]

ipgd wrote...

I think the problem with Fenris is that he does a lot of talking and very little "doing" or "feeling" to actually reflect the impact it had on him He says a lot of things about mages and the Imperium, but he's so... well-adjusted, considering.

I'd say that the fact that he squats in a run-down, filthy mansion for almost a decade is an indication of how damaged he is from that experience. He never rearranges so much as a chair, or repairs the broken floor tiles, or even removes the freakin' corpses. He never makes it his home. I find him to be quietly broken in a lot of ways like that. 

Modifié par autumnyte, 21 avril 2011 - 12:06 .

[Ryzaki]

Is it wrong that I love him for being well adjusted?

It makes him seem more like a strong willed survivor to me.

[Nyreen]

These pictures of Fenris make my lyrium breasts sore.

[lizzbee]

yoshibb wrote...
Had Hawke not been there, Fenris might've turned into a hate filled machine blowing up circles because "MAGES!!" If he'd survived the slave hunters of course. 

I'm not sure I'd necessarily agree with that.  The Circles are there and serving their purpose, as are the Templars.  Fenris seems nothing if not pragmatic.  I can see Fenris turning into The Apostate Avenger, though, and whacking escapees from the Circle.