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[Lady Jess]

Xewaka wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
Fineeeee....I'll go back to Jack Daniels and have a threesome with Isabela.

Pfft.

no.
/Sten

You are both ******.

I do have one. However it's not fortitude that makes me say no. It is personal preference. I like my Jack Daniels, Black Label. Period. I don't drink anything else anymore. Mind you, if you must know...at 17 I drank a 5th of Jim Beam and was still walking and talking. In my 20's I could match a man twice my size shot for shot with JD and Jose and still be walking and talking.  My best friend lost $100 on my 21st birthday, betting that after my 17th shot of Mezcal I'd be on my butt when I was still walking and talking, and alternating with shots of Firewater.

So, if I choose to stick with my old friend Jack, at this point in my life? Well I think I've certainly earned it.  And ****? Oh no. I couldn't live my life if I were, it would eat me up and spit me out^_^

[upsettingshorts]

I can respect that.

[ipgd]

Xewaka wrote...

I bring a Fenris art from an anonymous source!

fenris sure is taking a lot of happiness in sex slavery!

[SurrealSadi]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Going into DA2 for the first time, I had a pre-concieved image of Fenris' personality (I wrote a ton of stuff with what Ser Gaider gave us as pre-release hints) Once I got Fenris in my party and heard some of his dialog I found myself liking him for how he presents his ideas.

Unlike other charaters in Dragon Age (e.g. Morrigan) Fenris will disagree with you for a reason other than disagreeing for disagreement's sake. For instance letting Grace and the Starkhaven apostates go free is dangerous because we've seen them raise the frickin' dead. Its understandable that  he considers this to be a bad idea. We only ever see Fenris lose his self control when he gets angry, and that kind of anger is usually directed at those who have harmed him or someone he cares about. Fenris is sort of like a Bruce Banner character in that regard, he's a nice guy, but you won't like him when he's angry.

Not reading 10 or so pages to save myself a headache. Will just say, Doc, I wish I was as eloquent(yes, I am sure I spelled that wrong) as you in trying to voice my own opinions.

[Dr. Doctor]

I'm still trying to figure out what Fenris/Isabela would be like post-DA2:

The Siren's Call II

Sailor: I hear that the First Mate used to run with the Champion of Kirkwall, just like the Captain.

Sailor #2: I hear he killed one of them Magister blokes without even laying a blade on 'im. Made his head explode just by lookin' at 'im.

Sailor #3: That's nothing, I hear he can straight through a man wearing plate armor with his nothing but his bare hands.

Sailor: You're ****ting me, the only thing that he does with his bare hands is the Captain.

(The whole group laughs until Fenris appears, dressed in pirate garb)

Fenris: I assume that the socializing means that the day's duties have been carried out?

Sailor: Y-Yes sir.

Fenris: Very good then. (walks off)

Isabela: You're no fun, scuttlebutt is half the fun of being on a ship.

Fenris: Someone has to keep order.

Isabela: Keeping order isn't exactly paramount in our line of work sweet thing.

Fenris: Well then perhaps you can teach me the finer points of piracy.

Isabela: Oh I'll teach you alright.

[Atrilial]

Fenris as a pirate...I don't even know how to respond to that. Lol.

[Riona45]

Atrilial wrote...

Fenris as a pirate...I don't even know how to respond to that. Lol.

I like the idea, but only if my Hawke could be a pirate with him.

[UltiPup]

I only allow Fenris Pirate if I can be a pirate too.

[lizzbee]

Atrilial wrote...

I myself am an extravert to the core.  My husband and best friend are introverts.  I frequently find myself completely baffled as to why the say or do certain things.  Because of this huge difference in our approaches to dealing with things, I find myself frequently unable to grasp where they are coming from.  The biggest example of this I can think of is that I cannot for the life of me understand why my husband needs "alone time" away from me and anyone else.  It doesn't make sense to me.  I think in that same reguard, if you are not introverted, or inclined to internalize things as Fenris is, his character might be really difficult to grasp.

Sorry that I keep using my husband as an example.  Fenris just reminds me so much of him, and I find I designed my Hawke's reactions to him around my own to my husband.

Somehow, I keep feeling like I'm not coming off very clearly.  Maybe because I've been out of the intellectual debate and analysis arena for too long.

You're perfectly clear, IMHO.  Sometimes I'm just glad I married a fellow introvert.  When I need to go off and write, or just zen out alone somewhere, he's usually right in sync.  Or at least he "gets it."  I utterly adored that first conversation of Fenris', where you gradually get to know him and see a hint of his humor.  I loved watching him slowly open up and enjoy himself just a little, for a few moments.

[Hekateras]

Ditto to everything lizzbee said - probably ever. XD Thank you so much for clarifying how Fenris is NOT an extremist.

Also, introvertedness for the win!

Off to bed now. X_X

[upsettingshorts]

Hekateras wrote...

Ditto to everything lizzbee said - probably ever. XD Thank you so much for clarifying how Fenris is NOT an extremist.

Why are we interjecting objectivity into that particular tangent?

I said my Hawke viewed him as an extremist.  Seriously, guys.  Seriously.   My Hawke isn't me. 

... I would have liked if Fenris was more of an extremist because it would have helped give him a purpose.  As a character it's like his potential to be interesting was smoothed out with a belt sander.  

But obviously I'm only speaking for myself. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 avril 2011 - 04:16 .

[Hekateras]

I think lizzbee got it that you were only talking about your particular Hawke's assessment of things. (I have no idea why you were bringing subjective!Hawke's view of things into it in the first place.) But it needed to be said regardless.

Modifié par Hekateras, 22 avril 2011 - 04:18 .

[upsettingshorts]

Hekateras wrote...

I think lizzbee got it that you were only talking about your particular Hawke's assessment of things. (I have no idea why you were bringing subjective!Hawke's view of things into it in the first place.)

Because your specific use of the term extremist reminded me of it?  No other reason.

Hekateras wrote...

But it needed to be said regardless.

Why?

[Dr. Doctor]

Here's a question: Does anyone know what happens if you don't trigger "A Bitter Pill" in Act II. I'm talking about intentionally not bringing Fenris outside of Kirkwall.

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 22 avril 2011 - 04:23 .

[Helen0rz]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Here's a question: Does anyone know what happens if you don't trigger "A Bitter Pill" in Act II. I'm talking about intentionally not bringing Fenris outside of KIrkwall.

According to my coworker who could care less about Fenris' existence, nothing happened.

She never took him with him unless she somehow has to, but pretty much never so she never did that quest, and from what I could tell, nothing happened. She doesn't go talk to him, she doesn't take him on quests, so there really wasn't a chance for Fenris to say anything to her

[upsettingshorts]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Here's a question: Does anyone know what happens if you don't trigger "A Bitter Pill" in Act II. I'm talking about intentionally not bringing Fenris outside of KIrkwall.

Well in my 2HW Nightmare game I never used him, so I can tell you about what happens if you accidentally don't bring Fenris outside of Kirkwall in Act 2:

He still gets Questioning Beliefs - should you trigger it, and you can still give him his gifts, but obviously you never get the Hadriana quest, you never learn about his sister, and she can never be used as bait to lure him to the Hanged Man, so neither of those quests happen.

So... it's kind of weird actually.  It's almost as if - in those games - that Danarius forgot about him or simply stopped caring.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 avril 2011 - 04:24 .

[Riona45]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
So... it's kind of weird actually.  It's almost as if - in those games - that Danarius forgot about him or simply stopped caring.

That's...kind of funny!

Modifié par Riona45, 22 avril 2011 - 04:25 .

[Helen0rz]

So in conclusion, nothing happens and Danarius forgets about Fenris.

so we shouldn't take Fenris with us, because then Danarius won't come after him LOL ;P

[Atrilial]

Actually, if you don't ever activate those quests, and look at his codex entry, it says eventually he dealt with it by himself. He just never mentions it to you - I would assume because he figures you won't care.

[Atrilial]

Actually, if you don't ever activate those quests, and look at his codex entry, it says eventually he dealt with it by himself. He just never mentions it to you - I would assume because he figures you won't care.

Edit: Sorry for the double post...

Modifié par Atrilial, 22 avril 2011 - 04:31 .

[upsettingshorts]

Atrilial wrote...

Actually, if you don't ever activate those quests, and look at his codex entry, it says eventually he dealt with it by himself.

Fascinating.

[Helen0rz]

Atrilial wrote...

Actually, if you don't ever activate those quests, and look at his codex entry, it says eventually he dealt with it by himself. He just never mentions it to you - I would assume because he figures you won't care.

Really?!

huh...interesting...
so I can assume that...it kinda like that for all companions? Well, not Aveline with The Long Road Home or whatever it's called, I heard she doesn't marry Donnic if you don't help her. 

[Atrilial]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Atrilial wrote...

Actually, if you don't ever activate those quests, and look at his codex entry, it says eventually he dealt with it by himself.

Fascinating.

Lol, yeah my husband did almost nothing with him his first PT, which is how I know.  Funny enough, he still managed to convince Fenris to side with the mages at the end...eventually.  That was one of the few parts of Fenris dialogue that I really do struggle with.  You are sorta friends and at first he sides with the templers.  But later, if you say mages=slavery, he's like "Oh...right...I'm changing to your side then" (paraphrase, lol).  I feel like it was never very clear how his view on this changed, since he clearly did not see them as slaves earlier.  I'm not saying I don't believe he could change his mind on this, just that in the context, it seems to come out of nowhere and is almost comedic.

[lizzbee]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Why are we interjecting objectivity into that particular tangent?

I said my Hawke viewed him as an extremist.  Seriously, guys.  Seriously.   My Hawke isn't me. 

... I would have liked if Fenris was more of an extremist because it would have helped give him a purpose.  As a character it's like his potential to be interesting was smoothed out with a belt sander.  

But obviously I'm only speaking for myself. 

My Hawke was a product of Thedas, and despite her sister's talents, she pretty much held to a standard Thedas-y view of things.  You know, there's a reason to be afraid of magic.  Templars exist for a reason.  Her sister might be able to handle free mage-dom, but there's a reason to fear others, especially those that have been infantilized by a lifetime in the Circle. 

I'm just saying, in general, it takes a pretty willfully blind Hawke to equate Anders and Fenris, or to say that Merrill is less dangerous than a man who speaks his mind forecefully from time to time but never engages in anything deliberately destructive.  Then again, maybe that was your Hawke, and you're certainly entitled to view your Hawke in whatever manner you choose.

[Atrilial]

Here it is (the 2nd outcome):

Modifié par Atrilial, 22 avril 2011 - 04:46 .