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[ejoslin]

Mel_Redux wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Wine AND cookies! Mmmmmm!

The thing is, I can see being in a relationship for years where the future is just not discussed, where they go home to their own houses at night as often as they spend them together, and whatever feelings are there are just not acknowledged. It may not be the healthiest of relationships, but I've had enough friends in those types of situations where it's believable to me.

I cannot see waiting around for three years for a guy who dumped me after a one night stand no matter how many puppy eyes he gives me if every time I approached him to talk about it he refused to talk about it.

I actually think the 3 year time skips make no sense for a few other reasons. I just tell myself, Varric got it a bit wrong!

Who's to say that Hawke was waiting around the whole time though?  She (or he!) could have been with other men, maybe even relationships.  Doesn't mean Fenris was always there, creeping around in the back of her mind.

If Hawke has sex with Merrill, Anders, or Isabela after the scene with him, he does not come back.  If there WAS that wiggle room, if you had a one night stand with one of those three and could still do the relationship with him, I'd feel a little better about those three years.  As it is, you must be faithful (blooming rose excluded -- I assume they must be a bit more discreet) or else it's over with him.

Again, I know my head-canon is most likely not what was intended.  But I also know that whether I take my head canon as what happens OR if I take the story as it was probably intended as what happens, I have to do some handwaving.  Either I handwave the codex and am a little loose in my interpretation of the talk after alone (and for the most part it DOES make sense even if they've been lovers) or I handwave the fact he's saying "I am yours" and that Anders confronts Hawke about him AND that he gets jealous over Zevran if Hawke flirts even before his personal quest is done.  

I know which I prefer to handwave.  It just seems to be a better story to me.  I prefer to think of their relationship being ongoing and maturing rather than hawke being in stasis, which is how it feels to me if I don't look at it that way.

Edit: Oh god, ToP.  Ok, inc bloody-puppy-dog-eyed Fenris!  I will take another screenie one of these days

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 avril 2011 - 12:16 .

[steph01423]

*gives thumbs up to ejoslin's ideas about the gap*

That actually makes a lot of sense!!
I'm just going to tell myself that that's how it is from now on. Well said.

*goes back to lurking*

[SurrealSadi]

That's why I love Ejoslin. She's brilliant when it comes to explaining things like that :)

Edit: Copy-pasta from my post at the end of the last page since....it's the last post of the page.. those posts rarely get seen:

So my Evenstar Hawke(based from a F!Amell Warden) got to Act 2, spoke to
Cullen, and heard his comment about Nissa. The emotion in his voice was
sooo surprising... as if he never got over her...

Modifié par SurrealSadi, 26 avril 2011 - 12:17 .

[ejoslin]

*grin* I'm glad my head canon doesn't sound completely crazy!  The best part is, since I know I'm handwaving the codex and probably interpreting the story incorrectly, I don't have to defend it! Fortunately, there is enough there to suggest an ongoing relationship, especially with a friendmance, that the couple of handwaves I do I feel are less of a stretch than the handwave I have to do with the story as written.

Ah, I wish I were a better writer -- I'd have fanfics all over the place!

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 avril 2011 - 01:30 .

[tankgirly]

Look....look at what Alas-De-Metal did for me as her part of art trade:

Fly Together

I am going to burst into tears, someone did a drawing of my Hawkette and Fenris!

[ejoslin]

Oh, that's beautiful! It's always so much fun getting stuff like that!

[Asdara]

Thanks everyone I appreciate the ideas.

20 days... in 20 days I can start writing this monstrosity and get it OUT of my head! Ugh, it's terrible actually - when you're mentally writing dialog it is very hard to get anything else done. It doesn't help that I have two completely warring characters's stories running through my head at the same damn time.

I am thinking that, for my pro-templar hardcase who will be exclusively romancing Fenris that the gap will be a period of unspoken affection after an awkward, failed attempt to take it to the next level until enough issues have been resolved on Fenris's side and enough issues have accumulated on my Hawke's side that they find a balance where she's willing to forget and forgive for love she needs and he's finally free enough to give. It's way more complicated for my swing snarky - who I am thinking of just hand-waving through the romantic restriction and have her engage in a stint with Isabella during the 'down-time' on a friend's with benefits understanding. Because my snarky Hawke simply isn't the sit at home and pine type.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...
If Hawke has sex with Merrill, Anders, or Isabela after the scene with him, he does not come back.  If there WAS that wiggle room, if you had a one night stand with one of those three and could still do the relationship with him, I'd feel a little better about those three years.  As it is, you must be faithful (blooming rose excluded -- I assume they must be a bit more discreet) or else it's over with him.

Those are mutual companions, and I could see someone who was already jumpy about a relationship not wanting to be part of a love triangle.  You can still think of Hawke seeing people casually.  She must know... somebody... besides the 6 or 7 mercenary buddies, without resorting to the Blooming Rose.  That's if people really can't see Hawke being on her own for 3 years.

But as you said, you handle the roleplay however you can make it work for you.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
If Hawke has sex with Merrill, Anders, or Isabela after the scene with him, he does not come back.  If there WAS that wiggle room, if you had a one night stand with one of those three and could still do the relationship with him, I'd feel a little better about those three years.  As it is, you must be faithful (blooming rose excluded -- I assume they must be a bit more discreet) or else it's over with him.

Those are mutual companions, and I could see someone who was already jumpy about a relationship not wanting to be part of a love triangle.  You can still think of Hawke seeing people casually.  She must know... somebody... besides the 6 or 7 mercenary buddies, without resorting to the Blooming Rose.  That's if people really can't see Hawke being on her own for 3 years.

But as you said, you handle the roleplay however you can make it work for you.

The problem is that Hawke doesn't get the chance to romance anyone else.  So...  Even filling in the missing years saying Hawke DID have relationships is a handwave of sort since there's nothing in the game that supports that.  The romance, as it is in the game, really doesn't make that much sense to me.  I can add things that make sense, and other people can add different things and make it a different story, but it's still adding details to change the story a bit.  

And yes, Hawke gets all sorts of invitations so must know some people.  But relationships?  Not even a click on the bed reveals one!  And the only comments you get are about your companions.  Even Gamlen only comments about your companion LI.

The Blooming Rose, you can actually go there and have sex.  So that's not a handwave.

Edit: I do want to say I'm not saying my handwave is the correct way to handwave and yours is incorrect.  As you say, we're all welcome to RP as we see fit.  It's just my way of explaining something that makes no sense to me.  Your way also is perfectly valid.  And I'm pretty sure we could both find in-game support for our explanations.

It's fun to talk about, no matter what!

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 avril 2011 - 03:50 .

[Cyakura]

I love Fenris. He is one of my best companions... He bleeds so well when I kill him everytime.. the times I knew I would side with Templers  just for reason to try to kill Merill ( which failed 5 times).. then I try not recruiting him at all

[tankgirly]

Cyakura wrote...

I love Fenris. He is one of my best companions... He bleeds so well when I kill him everytime.. the times I knew I would side with Templers  just for reason to try to kill Merill ( which failed 5 times).. then I try not recruiting him at all

Your statement is confusing..arh...

I need help. Some enlightment?

[ejoslin]

tankgirly wrote...

Cyakura wrote...

I love Fenris. He is one of my best companions... He bleeds so well when I kill him everytime.. the times I knew I would side with Templers  just for reason to try to kill Merill ( which failed 5 times).. then I try not recruiting him at all

Your statement is confusing..arh...

I need help. Some enlightment?

I can translate -- I do speak some troll, though not fluently. It's not very interesting, though. He's just talking about a decision he makes in a single player game in repeated playthroughs. 7 playthroughs bare minimum in less than two months. He really does love the game.  And that's assuming he only killed Fenris twice at the final battle (since he speaks of it in plural, it's at least twice, but sounds like more).

I'm actually impressed he likes the game so much!  I enjoy it as well   I make different decisions of course.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 avril 2011 - 04:12 .

[tankgirly]

ejoslin wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Cyakura wrote...

I love Fenris. He is one of my best companions... He bleeds so well when I kill him everytime.. the times I knew I would side with Templers  just for reason to try to kill Merill ( which failed 5 times).. then I try not recruiting him at all

Your statement is confusing..arh...

I need help. Some enlightment?

I can translate -- I do speak some troll, though not fluently. It's not very interesting, though. He's just talking about a decision he makes in a single player game in repeated playthroughs. 7 playthroughs bare minimum in less than two months. He really does love the game.  And that's assuming he only killed Fenris twice at the final battle (since he speaks of it in plural, it's at least twice, but sounds like more).

I'm actually impressed he likes the game so much!  I enjoy it as well   I make different decisions of course.

So it is troll language, I see. Havent' had Deekin with me for a while so I have no idea.

I adore the game, too.

[Sherbet Lemon]

ejoslin wrote...
I'm actually impressed he likes the game so much!  I enjoy it as well   I make different decisions of course.

I know!  I thought the same thing!  Seven playthroughs in such a short time.  That is some serious dedication! It is a fun game, but I've had to put it aside during finals time.

I have so many things to do.  Why oh why did I procrastinate! T_T

[tankgirly]

I only managed three, in forth at the moment. 7? Does he has Time-Turner?

[Tashash]

tankgirly wrote...

I only managed three, in forth at the moment. 7? Does he has Time-Turner?

I think I have four complete, one still in Act one, one started act two and another started act three....And I have no idea what Time-Turner is.....

[dangereusegirl]

Tashash wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

I only managed three, in forth at the moment. 7? Does he has Time-Turner?

I think I have four complete, one still in Act one, one started act two and another started act three....And I have no idea what Time-Turner is.....

Time traveling device in the Harry Potter series. And yes, I'm a huge fan.

I kept calling the gold pieces galleons, and the silver pieces sickles, and the bronze pieces knuts.

Oh and my mind immediately jumped to Voldie when Flemeth made her second appearance.

:innocent:

[Tashash]

dangereusegirl wrote...

Tashash wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

I only managed three, in forth at the moment. 7? Does he has Time-Turner?

I think I have four complete, one still in Act one, one started act two and another started act three....And I have no idea what Time-Turner is.....

Time traveling device in the Harry Potter series. And yes, I'm a huge fan.

I kept calling the gold pieces galleons, and the silver pieces sickles, and the bronze pieces knuts.

Oh and my mind immediately jumped to Voldie when Flemeth made her second appearance.

:innocent:

Ohhh, that thing

I used tyo be a mild HP fan...and then I checked out FF.net....It was a bit much....and then the movies came out...

[tankgirly]

Tashash wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

I only managed three, in forth at the moment. 7? Does he has Time-Turner?

I think I have four complete, one still in Act one, one started act two and another started act three....And I have no idea what Time-Turner is.....

Time-turner is a necklace that resemble a miniature of hourglass. In Harry Potter, it is used as a time travel device, allowing students taking more classes in one semester.

Time-Turner

[dangereusegirl]

Yeah, the HP fanfic at FF.net can be a bit too much. I usually go to harrypotterfanfiction.com for my HP fix. And the movies were a bit lacking for me. For the sixth one, I think I just gave up hoping they would keep everything straight. The seventh one has been good so far, tho. I'm glad it was split.



And so that we stay on point for this thread...if Fenris and Hawke did not have a relationship (or Hawke moved on), do you think Fen would ever have a meaningful (moreso or equally to Hawkes) relationship?

I admit, part of me dies inside at the thought of Fen and Isabela hooking up. I guess its because I've seen the potential for a great romance, and to have that taken away for a booty call is just...meh.

[tankgirly]

dangereusegirl wrote...

Yeah, the HP fanfic at FF.net can be a bit too much. I usually go to harrypotterfanfiction.com for my HP fix. And the movies were a bit lacking for me. For the sixth one, I think I just gave up hoping they would keep everything straight. The seventh one has been good so far, tho. I'm glad it was split.



And so that we stay on point for this thread...if Fenris and Hawke did not have a relationship (or Hawke moved on), do you think Fen would ever have a meaningful (moreso or equally to Hawkes) relationship?

I admit, part of me dies inside at the thought of Fen and Isabela hooking up. I guess its because I've seen the potential for a great romance, and to have that taken away for a booty call is just...meh.

They could be such a lovely couple.


by tantu.

[Tashash]

Must . Resist. Urge. To. Kill. Izzy......
Gyah - GET AWAY FROM MY DAMN ELF RIVANNI!!!!!

On a serious note I do think Fenris could have a meaningful relationship - as long as the other partner is as committed as he is. From what I see (and this is just my opinion) Fenris has a great capacity to love but he will not allow himself to be used. As long as the rules are clear and defined he dosen't seem to have a problem with casual relationships, but I see him as being more interested in something long-term.

Fenris is loyal and devoted, it would take a lot to cause him to turn against someone once he has given his heart, and I can see that specifically appealing to Isabela - who is always waiting to be betrayed (Poor woman).

Edit: OK, how do I make my link say My Fics? Maker how I hate technology!!!!!

Modifié par Tashash, 26 avril 2011 - 07:15 .

[Hekateras]

It's true that Fenris does bleed prettily. He does everything prettily. Who wants to bet that his blood sparkles?

For me the little issue with ejoslin's theory is the "when he sat on the bed, the natural thing DID happen, and they were in a tense but mature relationship afterward" thing. I just don't see Fenris going all "this is too much, it is too fact, I cannot do this!" and then get right back to doing it. So I think I prefer the "chaste relationship" idea. They're basically there for each other (why oh why can't we get more conversations afterwards in Act II????), but without the sex, and poor Fenris thinks that means they aren't together at all. I interpret his issue with taking things to the next level as a sort of commitment problem - not being ready to tie himself to a person again, and only feeling more confused and shaken by the memories coming back. Three years later is simply when he gets enough of a clue of living as a free man and what he WANTS and DOESN'T want to realise that he does want Hawke and he does want to spend the rest of his days with her.

And I actually think the booty call thing with Isabela has a very high potential of developing into something far sweeter and more heartwarming... ^^ I mean, by Act III they're at least friends, right? There already is far more mutual caring for one another than, say, with one night stands. And Fenris is, at core, very caring, loyal and protective... I can easily imagine something like that appealing to Isabela, who's used to men only being after her T&A, as she puts it.

EDIT:... Yeah, basically what Tashash says with far less beating around the bush. XD

Modifié par Hekateras, 26 avril 2011 - 07:17 .

[Emmy20211]

No, no sparkling blood. That's just... just... no... just no. He may bleed prettily but... no sparkliness... I beg of you... And just cause I'm a little lost coming in halfway through a big discussion, I'm just gonna say - I love Fenris I love everything about him... as long as he doesn't have sparkling blood... He's a different character and is just... just... intense! He's just got so much meaning to him and has so much to him. I love Fenris

Nya, troll!!! Kill! Kill! Kill!

Anyways, breaking the mood with a drawing ^^ No idea if this has been posted or not considering I took one look at the dozens of pages I now have to go through and put it off for later...


By Aimo

[tankgirly]

@Tashash, to put a link on and say my fic.

[ url = (insert your desire address here) ] (what you want to show) [ / url]

don't forget to remove the spaces.