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#39801
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Shacary wrote...

Idk know the characters you referenced, but I dont want to bash her more, since folks have taken some offense to it .
If the names you listed castor/blinx are historical I fail there too :( lol I dont know them!


Nah, they're characters from books I read often. One is a wetboy (assassin) and one is an exorcist and both are kind of in the gray zone and both are very sarcastic. A big win for me. 


On thread topic: I wish that Fenris had taken his hatred for mages even further. For me, it would have made him a better character. Right now he feels kind of blurred compared to the others in the game. Everyone else has such clear roles and I hate to say it but for me Fenris falls a bit short. I was discussing it with a friend today and she had just finished ME2 for the first time and was gushing about Thane and now wanted to romance Fenris because of his looks. When she said that it was hard not to compare the two and it made me wish Fenris had a clearer role in DA2 even more. As a counterpart to Anders extreme views he falls short for me and like I said, I wish he had taken it further. 

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Durzo Blint was completely awesome. :D

@Namedforthemoon, congrats! :D

@Upsettingshorts: Correct me if I'm wrong, but piping in just to say how little you think of what someone else said seems off-topic and non-productive to the point of seeming like you're just looking for a fight. This isn't the place for it.

For the record, I agree that it seems presumptious and arrogant to brush kisses off as "meaningless cultural exchange rather than affection" when the context does not indicate that it must be the case. "Attitude problem" would be flames and insults, not expressing how another person's phrasing honestly sounds to you.

ipgd wrote...
I have read Twilight, and also written at some length about this particular trope comparison.

Obviously, there are direct similarities between it and ****ty romance novels. That's sort of the whole point of deconstructions; the Anders romance plays the trope of the obsessive, scarily devoted Romance Novel Protagonist and takes it to its logical conclusions. Anders has many of the mannerisms of these kinds of characters, but instead of being lauded as a paragon of romanticism and virtue, they are his downfall. It's a very self-aware, almost biting dissection of the character archetype.


Very well-argued. Indeed, the self-awareness problem truly is often the defining characteristic of such fiction, especially insofar as it explains its polarising nature (at least "polarising" in the sense of still being able to attract rabid fans). Some people are disturbed by the dissonance, others share the author's views and buy into it. The Inheirtance Cycle has this same problem with its insistence on being a Heroic Fantasy Epic to be Taken Seriously.

I really don't get the impression that "free with their affections" had to imply anything resembling free love or promiscuity. To me, "free with their affections" is just that - free with their affections. Hoooking up, whether romantically or platonically, with people you actually like, and not worrying about what others think of it. The Tevinter Magisters, always struggling for power and politics, doubtlessly do it very differently, and slaves and servants would likely be very wary about exposing their affections (and thus vulnerabilities) to others, and marriages would likely be dictated by convenience or mutual profit and even then could be broken up on a master's whim. I can't imagine the matter of affections developing in a society with such slavery in any other way, so it makes sense to me that the Fog Warriors' honesty, openness and indulgence would be something Fenris would admire.


Regarding Isabela, I love her complexity and her relationships with the others. She seems pro-mage but easily manages to be on good terms with Fenris, among other curiosities. That said, it's an improvement of my initial impression of her - I was a bit put off by her presentation. I feel the developers have strongly overdone the promotion of her "busty pirate wench" image, what with all the pre-release material and her lengthy appearances in the trailers. Her entry scene of beating thugs up felt like a repetitive and cliched attempt to show a Capable Female Character Here, particularly after her similar entrance in Origins. At some point I felt like screaming "It's okay! She's hot and sexay and can handle sharp objects and shaper words! I get it already!", which, of course, is rather a disservice to the character.

Modifié par Hekateras, 27 avril 2011 - 11:29 .


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ipgd wrote...

lizzbee wrote...

ipgd wrote...

I'm still not sure why people insist on comparing Anders to Twilight. You are aware that that particular trope was around long before Twilight, and the use of that trope had nothing to do with why Twilight was actually bad, right?
"Appreciate" isn't exactly the word I'd use.


That's an interesting take.  I'd only seen the Gaider snippet that was bandied about the intarwebs.  If you've ever *read* Twilight, some of Anders' lines seem to have been copied part and parcel from Edward.  Not to say that SMeyer was original in writing said lines to begin with ;)

And, honestly, those were some of the worst lines in Twilight.  When Anders repeated them almost verbatim during the love scene, it was all I could do to keep my gorge down.

I have read Twilight, and also written at some length about this particular trope comparison.

Obviously, there are direct similarities between it and ****ty romance novels. That's sort of the whole point of deconstructions; the Anders romance plays the trope of the obsessive, scarily devoted Romance Novel Protagonist and takes it to its logical conclusions. Anders has many of the mannerisms of these kinds of characters, but instead of being lauded as a paragon of romanticism and virtue, they are his downfall. It's a very self-aware, almost biting dissection of the character archetype.

You're the only one I've ever heard who has this take on the romance.  I'm not convinced, but it's interesting.

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Isabela is both the source of some excellent humor and some of my favorite lines in the game, especially this one:
"Justice is an idea. It makes sense in a world of ideas, but not in our world."


Fenris' romance arc to me is one of the better ones in the game. The pacing is well done and there's a real sense of character growth over the course of acts I to III. My favorite line is at the end of Alone where Hawke tells Fenris that he isn't alone in the world. That made me smile. The only real critisism that I have about it is the whole "we don't talk about it for three years" part of the story it just sort of disrupts the flow of the narrative in my opinion.

The Anders romance, well just isn't my cup of tea. It's alright up until the love scene the whole "I have spent three years aching for you" line just sets off red flags in my head. The ending if you side with the mages and refuse to kill Anders has him talking about how they will live life on the run together and how their children will grow up in a world where mages are free. Now, I don't know about anyone else but all that pops into my head after hearing that is Anders and Hawke running across Thedas as a sort of magical version of Bonnie and Clyde.

It also doesn't help that if you even question Anders on what the "Separation Potion" is intended for he goes off on you for "only supporting mages on paper"

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 28 avril 2011 - 01:01 .


#39805
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I think most of the characters have one or two funny lines, but i still dont particularly like having them around, however it is awesome that peeps see things differntly, I do believe opposing ways of seeing topics is really illuminating in itself :)
And Poor Anders, I loved the DAA character but.... I really really have seen some destructive personalities and he came SO much like that to my senses all the flares were firing.. I found his dialog to be cheesy, I do not know Twilight but some say like that [ I am going to get the book or movie to see].
OO and Doc ya Bonnie and Clyde do sound like the scene! LOL i never finished anders romance... I just... couldnt. I watched youtubes for most of it... and I have to admit I am a total Fengirl. I luv the character depth and surprises and growth. I learn something new. I think I did that from first play. I haev an image in my head of characters as I meet them, and unfortunately some have fallen exactly into the first impression part but Fenris did not. I was very happily surprised!
that being said I have much to learn with other characters and I will force myself to try them in different situations.. mb.. lol i will TRY!

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Dr. Doctor wrote...

Isabela is both the source of some excellent humor and some of my favorite lines in the game, especially this one:
"Justice is an idea. It makes sense in a world of ideas, but not in our world."


Fenris' romance arc to me is one of the better ones in the game. The pacing is well done and there's a real sense of character growth over the course of acts I to III. My favorite line is at the end of Alone where Hawke tells Fenris that he isn't alone in the world. That made me smile. The only real critisism that I have about it is the whole "we don't talk about it for three years" part of the story it just sort of disrupts the flow of the narrative in my opinion.

The Anders romance, well just isn't my cup of tea. It's alright up until the love scene the whole "I have spent three years aching for you" line just sets off red flags in my head. The ending if you side with the mages and refuse to kill Anders has him talking about how they will live life on the run together and how their children will grow up in a world where mages are free. Now, I don't know about anyone else but all that pops into my head after hearing that is Anders and Hawke running across Thedas as a sort of magical version of Bonnie and Clyde.

It also doesn't help that if you even question Anders on what the "Separation Potion" is intended for he goes off on you for "only supporting mages on paper"


Play male Hawke. Problem solved :wizard:

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Dr. Doctor wrote...

The Anders romance, well just isn't my cup of tea. It's alright up until the love scene the whole "I have spent three years aching for you" line just sets off red flags in my head. 


^ this!

during my romace of Fenris, inbetween the break i romanced Anders just to see what it was all about (i went back to a save point before all of it afterwards x.x; ) and honestly Anders creeps me the hell out! Most of his comments just scream stalker at me :blink: not my idea of romance ._.;;;

#39808
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ejoslin wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

HEY GUYS I'M PREGNANT!!


And not by Fenris. But that's okay.


Congratulations!  

My one piece of advice -- for morning sickness, GINGER!  OMG, I had the worst morning (all day) sickness throughout my pregnancies, but pickled ginger would give me relief for 15-20 minutes at the time.  Amazing stuff.


Congratulations!!

All pregnancies are different! My best friend has had a girl and is currently expecting a boy. With her daughter, she had such horrid morning sickness, she was on anti-nausea meds for most of it. With her current pregnancy, she has not been nauseous once. Apparently it was the same with her mother, and a number of other women she's met have said the same thing. But yeah, ginger is a great anti-nausea trick. Ginger Ale is a godsend if you can stomach it(I can't, usually.).

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Kikuyoshi wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

The Anders romance, well just isn't my cup of tea. It's alright up until the love scene the whole "I have spent three years aching for you" line just sets off red flags in my head. 


^ this!

during my romace of Fenris, inbetween the break i romanced Anders just to see what it was all about (i went back to a save point before all of it afterwards x.x; ) and honestly Anders creeps me the hell out! Most of his comments just scream stalker at me :blink: not my idea of romance ._.;;;


I had a different reaction.  I felt he was using Hawke's feelings to manipulate her.  The relationship goes from first kiss to sexytime to him asking to move in in less than 24 hours. A guy saying, "I love you baby.  For years I have loved you!" and then, as soon as Hawke says they love him, you get him, "Oooh, baby, btw, I kinda need a new place to stay.  Can I move in with you?"  And your choice is let him move in, or break up.  

I seriously felt used and manipulated.  He was great when it came to comforting Hawke, though, but then act 3 came and the manipulation was far, far worse.

Just ick.

#39810
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@kikuyoshi

I know what you mean. The whole "I would drown us in blood to keep you safe" comment really freaked me out.

#39811
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Thought I'd drop off a WIP of a larger painting I'm doing since Fenris is turning out nicely.

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Pseudocognition wrote...

Thought I'd drop off a WIP of a larger painting I'm doing since Fenris is turning out nicely.

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Oooooo, I hadn't seen this updated version yet.   It is turning out quite wonderfully!

#39813
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Wino Fenris! Very nice.  (and with shoes!)

For the ginger fans- try Yogi tea. I'm addicted to that stuff.

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Pseudocognition wrote...

Thought I'd drop off a WIP of a larger painting I'm doing since Fenris is turning out nicely.
(sniiiip)


I like this a lot. I like blue. I don't really like Fenris, but I really like him when you draw him since you give him personality <3

#39815
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At least Fenris didn't take Varric's ideas for romantic dialogue.

Fenris: I am yours.

Hawke: You know I never get tired of hearing you say that.

Fenris: That is good, the ideas that Varric had were not exactly endearing.

Hawke: Why's that?

Fenris: It is a long story.

The Hanged Man


Varric: How about "I would drown us in blood just to keep you safe"?

Fenris: That sounds like something that you'd write.

Varric: Yeah, I'll admit it's a bit too sappy for my taste. Heh, I'd hate to be the poor bastard who ever tries that one.

Anders: (sighs)

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Dr. Doctor wrote...

At least Fenris didn't take Varric's ideas for romantic dialogue.

Fenris: I am yours.

Hawke: You know I never get tired of hearing you say that.

Fenris: That is good, the ideas that Varric had were not exactly endearing.

Hawke: Why's that?

Fenris: It is a long story.

The Hanged Man


Varric: How about "I would drown us in blood just to keep you safe"?

Fenris: That sounds like something that you'd write.

Varric: Yeah, I'll admit it's a bit too sappy for my taste. Heh, I'd hate to be the poor bastard who ever tries that one.

Anders: (sighs)


He took Zevran's instead.

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yukidama wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

At least Fenris didn't take Varric's ideas for romantic dialogue.

Fenris: I am yours.

Hawke: You know I never get tired of hearing you say that.

Fenris: That is good, the ideas that Varric had were not exactly endearing.

Hawke: Why's that?

Fenris: It is a long story.

The Hanged Man


Varric: How about "I would drown us in blood just to keep you safe"?

Fenris: That sounds like something that you'd write.

Varric: Yeah, I'll admit it's a bit too sappy for my taste. Heh, I'd hate to be the poor bastard who ever tries that one.

Anders: (sighs)


He took Zevran's instead.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA~! Well Zevran knew what he was talking about

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Oh, talking about Isabela earlier- she has a really sweet farewell if you can get her to come back.

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Addai67 wrote...

Oh, talking about Isabela earlier- she has a really sweet farewell if you can get her to come back.


I know. She turned out to be such a darling!
You know, after some pt I start to like all of the companions (and some NPC's). They all have their charms!

Except Sister Pertrice, of  course.

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tankgirly wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Oh, talking about Isabela earlier- she has a really sweet farewell if you can get her to come back.


I know. She turned out to be such a darling!
You know, after some pt I start to like all of the companions (and some NPC's). They all have their charms!

Except Sister Pertrice, of  course.

Are you kidding? Sister/Mother Petrice could charm the skirt off a Templar![/sarcasm]

Seriously, that b*tch of a woman got what she deserved. Granted, I wish I could have killed her instead of the Qunari..

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@helen - go Team Zev!!! ;)

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elenilote wrote...

@helen - go Team Zev!!! ;)


Oh yeah!:o

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Ladivixxen wrote...

Good mornin all!

Working on my 3rd pt and gritting my teeth b/c I'm trying miserably to do the Anders romance... man it's hard to resist. In my Act 2 and finished Dissent and fighting to ignore what I really wanted to do. I started laughing hysterically at the questions part of Anders... the way he comes at you and having it all sloppy sounding *ew*. What made it more funny is I have the subtitles on so I can at least read is what was said (between my kids and my hubby yelling at Homefront, I need earphones) and that sloppy kiss comes up as *(pants)*! Then went to my Hawke's mansion thinking it was going to be as short as Fenris's.... how is it Anders gets a bedroom scene and Fenris doesn't? I went from laughing to speechless. My silence was so abrupt that my hubby got up to see if something was wrong.

Needless to say I began to fill his ears with a long WTF which he rolled his eyes at me and laughed. The girls get a scene, Anders gets a scene, Fenris NEEDS a scene. Starting to think the writers didn't believe he was going to be as popular as he is now and didn't bother doing one other than the foyer... I feel cheated :(

I'm sure I'm not the only one to spout about this...but sheesh! Rant done...sorry... I knew I could vent a little here and you all would understand... thanks :)


Ha, that sloppy kiss.. Shocked the hell out of me when I picked the middle option and, well...:unsure: It was also when I decided I'd have to settle for watching youtube videos of the Anders romance. As for the lack of a bedroom scene for Fen, it might just be me, but I don't mind him not having one, really. I like it better when it's subtle like that, it leaves more room for my writer's block-undermined imagination. 

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tankgirly wrote...

[offtopic]

Fenris' Incredible Breakfast, voice by Mr. Emery

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GOD DAMN YOU PEOPLE
THE BREAKFAST SONG'S STUCK IN MY HEAD NOW

bacon bacon bacon bacon bacon and eggs

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Popping in because I've come across a problem that's left me mildly confused and disappointed. (and hoping that this is the right place to post. >>)

Going through my third playthrough atm, romancing (attempting to!) Fenris. I have him at max friendship and have been doing everything correctly to build up to the romance... except after A Bitter Pill, I can't get him to stay and inititate the actual romance.Looking back, I can't see anything that I did wrong and I'm incredibly confused. Hoping someone could please give me a little help? I'm going to be rather upset if I have to start all over. D;

Thanks ~